[spacefreak]

From textbooks widely used in New York's Islamic grade schools...

On Christian and Jewish decadence:
"Many lead such decadent and immoral lives that lying, alcohol, nudity, pornography, racism, foul language, premarital sex, homosexuality and everything else are accepted in their society, churches and synagogues."

"What Islam is About," IBTS, pg. 231; target readers: Grades 3-6

On Jewish superiority:
"Jews subscribe to a belief in racial superiority. � Their religion even teaches them to call down curses upon the worship places of non-Jews whenever they pass by them! They arrogantly refer to anyone who is not Jewish as 'gentiles,' equating them with sin."

"What Islam Is All About," IBTS, pg. 188; target readers: Grades 3-6.


On Jewish hostility to Islam:
"The reasons for Jewish hostility lies in their general characteristics," the book says. Numerous Koranic citations follow with negative references to Jews � for example, "You will ever find them deceitful, except for a few of them."

"The Messenger of Allah," IQRA, pg. 34; target readers: Grades 6-9

The textbook, "What Islam Is All About", has sold over 40,000 copies.
From the NY Daily News Article - "Sowing seeds of hatred"

Can you imagine the outrage if this were Catholic school textbooks speaking about Muslims?

[voodoo]

That isn't just a politically incorrect textbook, it is an COMPLETELY incorrect textbook. Who publishes it? T.Aliban and sons?

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by voodoo:
T.Aliban and sons?

Is this a voodoo original?

[Developer]

Originally posted by voodoo:
That isn't just a politically incorrect textbook, it is an COMPLETELY incorrect textbook. Who publishes it? T.Aliban and sons?

I wouldn't say it's completely incorrect.

"Many lead such decadent and immoral lives that lying, alcohol, nudity, pornography, racism, foul language, premarital sex, homosexuality and everything else are accepted in their society, churches and synagogues."

I would say I live all of that. I just disagree that it's immoral (except the racism).

Seriously, that sounds like prejudice and intolerance. Something that shouldn't be taught.

[scaught]

ooh. you can get it from amazon.com

the reviews certainly make it sound innocent enough. heh.

[macvillage.net]

I don't see how this is a suprise.

I guess people have been out of school for a while.

I've had text books that have trashed every group.

Most of them take one side or another.

I had one that advocated the use of Slavery, and how the Civil War hurt the US economy and set the US back... and didn't even mention the Civil Rights movement. Published in Georgia. It blamed African Americans for many of the hardships in the US today.

I had another one that blamed Jews for WWII saying that it was because they all moved to Germany (which is somewhat true, since Germany pre-Nazi was actually a very good place to live if you were jewish... well tolerated, lots of work... remember the jewish were the most skilled in the area at the time... Hitler spun that to be "jews take our jobs"... and built up his grounds for extermination that way).... though the way the book portrayed it, the jews were melicous, not just seeking a better place to live.

Another one said that China is still a great threat to us... really not true.

All the books insult Isalm. that's just a sad fact.


And Americans are the "tolerant ones"....

I only had 1 or two books ever that I couldn't find an extreme bias in like 5 seconds. They all have it.

It's sad.

I can't believe the Civil Rights movement was completely omitted from a book... No mention of it what so ever... not a faint remark... just talked about other events of the time. It was so wierd.

[finboy]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:


I had one that advocated the use of Slavery, and how the Civil War hurt the US economy and set the US back... and didn't even mention the Civil Rights movement. Published in Georgia. It blamed African Americans for many of the hardships in the US today.

I had another one that blamed Jews for WWII saying that it was because they all moved to Germany (which is somewhat true, since Germany pre-Nazi was actually a very good place to live if you were jewish... well tolerated, lots of work... remember the jewish were the most skilled in the area at the time... Hitler spun that to be "jews take our jobs"... and built up his grounds for extermination that way).... though the way the book portrayed it, the jews were melicous, not just seeking a better place to live.

Another one said that China is still a great threat to us... really not true.

All the books insult Isalm. that's just a sad fact.


And Americans are the "tolerant ones"....

I only had 1 or two books ever that I couldn't find an extreme bias in like 5 seconds. They all have it.

It's sad.

I can't believe the Civil Rights movement was completely omitted from a book... No mention of it what so ever... not a faint remark... just talked about other events of the time. It was so wierd.

Gee, I find that interesting in and of itself -- all the recent textbooks I've seen make the Civil Rights movement one of the keystones of civilization, and Reconstruction the birth of civilization in the South. The ones that WE had in jr. high, high school, and college were all written up north. I started to notice the bias way back when, especially about the South.

As for China not being a realistic threat, I think you better check your work.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by finboy:
Gee, I find that interesting in and of itself -- all the recent textbooks I've seen make the Civil Rights movement one of the keystones of civilization, and Reconstruction the birth of civilization in the South. The ones that WE had in jr. high, high school, and college were all written up north. I started to notice the bias way back when, especially about the South.

As for China not being a realistic threat, I think you better check your work.

China really isn't... it might be capable... but not a threat.

China knows the risk getting into a Cold war would create...

China also knows the US loves having products manufactured abroad (Japan is a good place)... and china loves making money.

China isn't a threat, because it wouldn't be wise for them to get into a situation.

That whole spy plane incident was just a way of defending their terratory, and ensuring that we wouldn't trample over them.

They would have nothing to gain by posing a threat... and a lot to lose.

therefore, there is a giant difference between capable, and threat.


Iraq with WMD is a threat to Israel, and therefore, a threat to the regions already frale (nonexistant) stability.... That is a threat. That has potential for danger.

Castro on an island isn't a threat... He has nothing to use against us. Nothing to back him.

that's the difference.


As far as that book goes... it was just wierd. But I think it was published in the mid-late 80's IIRC, so perhaps back then it wasn't so common.

Since then I have had a few that the Civil Rights movement was several chapters long.

[finboy]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
China really isn't... it might be capable... but not a threat.

China knows the risk getting into a Cold war would create...

China also knows the US loves having products manufactured abroad (Japan is a good place)... and china loves making money.

China isn't a threat, because it wouldn't be wise for them to get into a situation.

That whole spy plane incident was just a way of defending their terratory, and ensuring that we wouldn't trample over them.

They would have nothing to gain by posing a threat... and a lot to lose.

therefore, there is a giant difference between capable, and threat.

I agree with your assessment of why they SHOULDN'T BE a threat, but I think that you're engaging in some wishful thinking too.

They are definitely commercial minded, but they are also committed to domination of Asia, and I think that long term that represents a threat. They are also a threat to Russia, constantly, which makes them a threat to us.

Their espionage operations in the US have been well documented. Especially recently, when we found out that the Los Alamos security honcho was dipping it against the best interests of national security.

China isn't an obvious threat now, but if we get in their way they'll become one quick. They're planning for it, too.

I've spent plenty of time discussing this with Chinese citizens over the past 10 years, some of whom actually knew something about their national direction. They plan to compete with the US for "domination" (their word, heard more than once) of their part of the world. They will compete militarily if they have to.

As I said, make sure you when you read about this stuff that you read all sides of the issue. THEN pick.

[thunderous_funker]

Private religious schools are teaching religious intolerance?!?!?

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by finboy:
I agree with your assessment of why they SHOULDN'T BE a threat, but I think that you're engaging in some wishful thinking too.

They are definitely commercial minded, but they are also committed to domination of Asia, and I think that long term that represents a threat. They are also a threat to Russia, constantly, which makes them a threat to us.

Their espionage operations in the US have been well documented. Especially recently, when we found out that the Los Alamos security honcho was dipping it against the best interests of national security.

China isn't an obvious threat now, but if we get in their way they'll become one quick. They're planning for it, too.

I've spent plenty of time discussing this with Chinese citizens over the past 10 years, some of whom actually knew something about their national direction. They plan to compete with the US for "domination" (their word, heard more than once) of their part of the world. They will compete militarily if they have to.

As I said, make sure you when you read about this stuff that you read all sides of the issue. THEN pick.

I've read both US and translated Chineese News (I always make a point of reading both sides, and a neutral side of a topic I'm interested in... I read PCWorld's OS X review before most others).

They really aren't. They may like to be... but just because they don't want to be bullied. They like the US big because the bigger we are, the bigger our wallets are, and the more we buy.

They want to show us that they are not to be touched. That is what this is about. They want us to think twice before doing anything to them.

They don't want to make any strain on our relationship... that would cause economic problems to them.

They just want us to respect them as a peer. So their little games, are there way of saying "we are just like you".

And I think the point is well taken. Notice how we are working *with* them on the North Korea issue. We are not speaking for them, but letting China do what they feel is necessary, and we have our own views.

(what we should be doing in the middle east).

[finboy]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:


And I think the point is well taken. Notice how we are working *with* them on the North Korea issue. We are not speaking for them, but letting China do what they feel is necessary, and we have our own views.

(what we should be doing in the middle east).

Yeah, I think this cooperation, and the cooperation in Afghanistan with the Chinese, rocks. I want to see more of it.

(like we're doing in the Middle East, just not with sh*thead dictators who don't like to follow the simplest of rules -- no terrorist sponsorship, no WMDs)

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by finboy:
Yeah, I think this cooperation, and the cooperation in Afghanistan with the Chinese, rocks. I want to see more of it.

(like we're doing in the Middle East, just not with sh*thead dictators who don't like to follow the simplest of rules -- no terrorist sponsorship, no WMDs)

The problem in the middle east is that we are involved.

It's called ganging up... We did it... now the otherside is doing the same... and playing dirty to keep up... So we tookout a key source for them.. Afganistan... the escelated in Israel and threatened more... so we took Iraq... now they threaten even more.

Hence an escilation to the point where 9/11 was the kickoff of Cold War II.

Notice the US had no reason why we *had* to get involved in the first place. Things were OK before then.

It's when the US decided that it was necessary to get involved in these matters that the real trouble started.


What we need to be doing is creating allies in the region. Securing trade with those who join us, better relations, aid, security...

The solution (as history has shown) is to alienate the problem from it's fortress... In this case the countries of the region. Get the Syrian government on board with such techniques (they need the economic stimulus), and the terrorists have one less harbor.

Also proving good intentions wins support for trusting the US. That goes a long way on it's own.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
Notice how we are working *with* them on the North Korea issue. We are not speaking for them, but letting China do what they feel is necessary, and we have our own views.

(what we should be doing in the middle east).

We are doing exactly that in the Middle East [think with me here].

China's letting the US do what it feels necessary, but they have their own views. Ultimately, both nations share that similar philosophy (Bush Doctrine-type) of "There is no way we are going to let small, corrupt dictarships and thugs screw around with this cool civilization we have". Think space program, medicine, education, jobs, etc, both are huge populations that live peacefully. Australia as well.

Global law can only be successful if there is the ability to enforce it. There needed to be a display of determination and ability to surgically and swiftly remove a skumbag regime. We and our coalition were willing.

Technology advanced so quickly to the point that now, a gang of 50 thugs can slaughter a whole lot of humans to 'make their statement'. Some organizations with thousands of members can take over a small country and murder, steal, rape, and torture everyday folks for years. They seize ownership of every national industry, and grow sickingly rich. in the process.

The world is headed in a good direction given its pre-9/11 situation. And the UN matters more now, contrary to talk of its irrelevance. The Bush administration has been able to trigger a wake up call to the world that UN law will be enforced, even if the corruption and inefficiencies of the UN render the governing body unable to authorize such enforcement.

Saddam's removal, the freeing of 24 million Iraqis, a new Palestinian PM and cabinet, North Korea toning down their act , and the US learning who its real friends are --- it all sounds familiar, doesn't it?

It's practically word-for-word the positions and plans GWB stated in his presidential campaign.

to Dubya for doing what people voted him to do.