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dream1mac · 07:59 PM

Just wanted let everyone know that x11 pb3 is awsome and can run the KDE envirenment right with your OS X apps, and eveything works, its fun to play with. Its like running linux on your mac with out giving up OSX.

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voodoo · Apr 6, 2003, 08:14 PM

Don't you have to recompile all the KDE apps and stuff for PPC?

Phoenix1701 · Apr 6, 2003, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
Don't you have to recompile all the KDE apps and stuff for PPC?

Nope, you don't. The process for getting KDE working on your Mac has three steps:[list=1][*]Get and install Apple's X11.[*]Get and install Fink.[*]Type "sudo fink install kde" in Terminal, hit return when it asks you to confirm, and then go have coffee while it downloads and installs everything automatically.[/list=1]
Not bad, huh?

undotwa · Apr 6, 2003, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Phoenix1701:
Nope, you don't. The process for getting KDE working on your Mac has three steps:[list=1][*]Get and install Apple's X11.[*]Get and install Fink.[*]Type "sudo fink install kde" in Terminal, hit return when it asks you to confirm, and then go have coffee while it downloads and installs everything automatically.[/list=1]
Not bad, huh?

Except for the fact that FINK has really crummy unreliable servers...

Millennium · Apr 6, 2003, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
Don't you have to recompile all the KDE apps and stuff for PPC?

Sort of.

KDE apps do have to be recompiled for OSX and/or PPC. However, you don't necessarily have to be the one doing the compiling. If you use an installation manager like Fink, the build process is automated (compilation and installation are handled entirely by Fink, with no intervention necessary from you), and I believe that GNU/Darwin's stuff is already recompiled for you.

thePurpleGiant · Apr 6, 2003, 11:09 PM

Just out of interest, what programs are available on KDE that might make it worthwhile for me? (excluding techie unix/server type apps).

Looks good, but if there are no programs that run on KDE but not OS X, then I wont bother...

Superchicken · Apr 6, 2003, 11:37 PM

shaweet! What apps would you be able to run in KDE?
This just looks freakin sweet! Can't wait till I get my next mac to be able to do this stuff!

dream1mac · Apr 7, 2003, 01:03 AM

If you download fink commander you then can at least look at what is available. Its all free. The office suite is nice, tons of cheese gamesout there, graphics software. Did I mention it seems real fast.

wtmcgee · Apr 7, 2003, 01:20 AM

just a note everyone.

sudo fink install kde-bundle-ssl

will install kde3.1 alright... BUT it compiles it from source. instead, run

sudo apt-get install kde-bundle-ssl

to get the latest stable BINARIES that won't take a whole day to compile. basically, the 'fink' command d/l's the source and compiles, while the apt-get is just a port of the apt package management system from debian, and downlods/installs binaries (aka installers) of the programs, not the source code.

just thought i'd throw that out there.

normyzo · Apr 7, 2003, 02:19 AM

As soon as someone releases binary installers the DON'T use fink, I'll be there...

Dan

neoTony · Apr 7, 2003, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by thePurpleGiant:
Just out of interest, what programs are available on KDE that might make it worthwhile for me? (excluding techie unix/server type apps).

Looks good, but if there are no programs that run on KDE but not OS X, then I wont bother...

Quanta is a fantastic HTML editor that uses KHTML for it's live previews. Once apple releases it's changes to KHTML back into the KDE CVS, this program is going to be fantastic. I have been using this on and off for a while now, and I am very impressed. There is an OSX release of Quanta Gold, but it isn't free, and seems nasty in comparison to the straight KDE version (which is really fast).

Once you've typed: 'sudo apt-get install bundle-kde-ssl', type 'sudo apt-get install quanta'

KDE does look pretty fugly though - I much prefer the neutrality of the Bluecurve theme under GNOME2.

Sven G · Apr 7, 2003, 04:28 AM

BTW, regarding apps, a very interesting development at KDE is their new Kontact - essentially, a free version of MS Entourage (also similar to Ximian's Evolution):

(Click for a bigger image.)

... Another example of KDE's excellent component-based approach...

tsheley · Apr 7, 2003, 08:39 AM

Ok I am new at this so please bear with me. If I want to do this with my iBook what do I need to do exactly. This is what I got so far...

1. Download and install X11 from Apple
2. Download and install Fink

At this point I get lost. Do I just need to type 'sudo apt-get install bundle-kde-ssl'? Do I need to install the Developer tools? When I ran 'sudo fink install bundle-kde-ssl' last night it asked me some question about XFree86. Do I need to install something else?

Sorry for all the questions. I am new to this Unix type stuff but would like to learn.

Thanks,

dream1mac · Apr 7, 2003, 09:49 AM

I just used fin commander and downloaded KDE 3.1 it didnt take over 15 min over cable modem I think it was 40MB. And soon as that was done I opend 'startkde' and it started right up.

You have to have:
x11 from apple
x11 SDK from apple
fink and fink commander

silverboy31 · Apr 7, 2003, 10:42 AM

where do i get fink from?

voodoo · Apr 7, 2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by tsheley:
Ok I am new at this so please bear with me. If I want to do this with my iBook what do I need to do exactly. This is what I got so far...

1. Download and install X11 from Apple
2. Download and install Fink

At this point I get lost. Do I just need to type 'sudo apt-get install bundle-kde-ssl'? Do I need to install the Developer tools? When I ran 'sudo fink install bundle-kde-ssl' last night it asked me some question about XFree86. Do I need to install something else?

Sorry for all the questions. I am new to this Unix type stuff but would like to learn.

Thanks,

Yes, you need to install the developers tools. If you don't have 'em they are a free download from apple.

silverboy31 · Apr 7, 2003, 10:54 AM

I'm having a problem installing fink

zerologic · 11:22 AM

KDevelop 3 for PHP scripting is absolutely the best I've ever found. Be sure if/when you use it to set up a project correctly.

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dfiler · Apr 7, 2003, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by silverboy31:
I'm having a problem installing fink

Take a number pal!

petrol · Apr 7, 2003, 11:21 AM

I tried installing KDE a couple weeks ago when the new version came out, but I was new to Fink, and gave up because I never seemed to be able to download all the packages necessary.

Seeing this thread got me interested again, but I still have a problem. When I run , I get this error: sudo apt-get install kde-bundle-ssl

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package kde-bundle-ssl

Could I have installed or configured something wrong with Fink? I've gotten it to download and install some little games and WindowMaker, but I usually have to compile them from source and get errors if I try just installing the binaries.

Phil.

Oneota · Apr 7, 2003, 12:21 PM

I'm not a real big fink fan (used to be, but it messed up too much stuff for me to stick with).

Is there a non-fink binary for KDE?

wtmcgee · Apr 7, 2003, 01:01 PM

i'm not sure honestly.

i don't use the x11/fink combo too much, i'm waiting for apple to include an option for rootless mode on their x11 software.

tsheley · Apr 7, 2003, 01:06 PM

Thanks for all of your suggestions. When I get home from work I will have to give it a try.

Thanks again.

Sven G · Apr 7, 2003, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by petrol:
When I run , I get this error: sudo apt-get install kde-bundle-ssl

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package kde-bundle-ssl

Could I have installed or configured something wrong with Fink?

The solution to your problem (if what you posted is exactly what you typed) is very simple:

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install bundle-kde-ssl

You just typed the wrong name for the package!

tsheley · Apr 7, 2003, 01:26 PM

Just out of curiosity why do I need the Developer tools installed?

Sven G · 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
Is there a non-fink binary for KDE?

OpenDarwin has it (part of the DarwinPorts project): just mount their http://packages.opendarwin.org/ folder as a WebDAV volume in the Finder (Go ---> Connect to Server ---> [enter the URL]), then navigate to the mpkgs/x11 directory, and you'll find some KDE 3.1 packages for the OS X Installer app (don't know how well this system handles dependencies, compared to Fink, however).

BTW, OpenDarwin is very close to Apple, AFAIK...

Originally posted by tsheley:
Just out of curiosity, why do I need the Developer Tools installed?

You need them if you must compile the software from source: for example, when using the sudo fink install command.

There's plenty of info available on the Fink website, BTW...

Oneota · Apr 7, 2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by wtmcgee:
i'm not sure honestly.

i don't use the x11/fink combo too much, i'm waiting for apple to include an option for rootless mode on their x11 software.

Umm...Apple's X11 *is* rootless (unless I'm grossly misinterpreting what "rootless" means).

Apple's X11 windows appear on the Mac OS X desktop, with no switching between environments required.

Peter · Apr 7, 2003, 05:07 PM

I have installed fink, but now what do I do. How do I open fink?
Sorry I am new to x11

wtmcgee · Apr 7, 2003, 05:21 PM

yea, sorry... i meant to say im waiting for the option to NOT just run in rootless. i want to run things like KDE in full screen mode with it's own WM and all.

sorry for the confusion

Originally posted by Oneota:
Umm...Apple's X11 *is* rootless (unless I'm grossly misinterpreting what "rootless" means).

Apple's X11 windows appear on the Mac OS X desktop, with no switching between environments required.

TheMosco · Apr 7, 2003, 05:59 PM

I know this is kinda thread hijacking but with the topic of Fink get started. I downloaded it and isntalled xgalaga and it runs rine with apple X11. I then installed xmms and it too runs fune until i try and play a mp3.

there are 2 audio output plugins, esound and Disk writer plugin. With both i get the error, "Please check that: 1) you have the correct output plugin selected. 2) No other program is blocking the soundcard. 3) Your soundcard is configured properly."

Can anyone shed some light?

Toyin · Apr 7, 2003, 06:45 PM

I'm having trouble with this as well.

I installed X11, SDK, Fink, and Fink Commander. Open Office works well.

I tried to install KDE using Fink Commander. After about an hour of downloading and compiling it ended with this

- found /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
- found /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb
- found /usr/X11R6/bin/rman
- found /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.dylib
- found /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.dylib
- found /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.dylib
- found /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h
An error occurred trying to find your XFree86 installation's
version. This really shouldn't happen, so I'm bailing.

Press a key to continue.

When I pressed a key nothing happened.

So what do I do now? (Now we see the dangers of unix on the mac...wannabe geeks like me having no clue as to what they're doing

)

Mobile Mod · Apr 7, 2003, 08:02 PM

Im totally new to unix and i dont know ho to set up the root password and enable to root user. Someone please help!!! I need it so that i can do this sudo thing. Thanks to all!

Justin

zerologic · Apr 7, 2003, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Mobile Mod:
Im totally new to unix and i dont know ho to set up the root password and enable to root user. Someone please help!!! I need it so that i can do this sudo thing. Thanks to all!

Justin

Just use *your* password with sudo. There is NO NEED to enable root!

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Mobile Mod · Apr 7, 2003, 08:42 PM

When i do the lines i get an error message that says it is an unknown command. Someone help me please. AIM sn is IdenityCrisis109. Thanks!

Justin

tsheley · Apr 7, 2003, 09:26 PM

This is very cool. I am typing this with Konqueror right now. Thanks for all of your help.

Mobile Mod · Apr 7, 2003, 09:30 PM

Ok, its all installed but how do i run it?!?!!? Someone please help! startx fails and i dont know many commands.

justin

bartman00 · Apr 7, 2003, 10:18 PM

Is there an email program for KDE that will let me interface with an Exchange server? I seem to rember a Linux nut friend of mine showing me one in KDE one day that looked just like Outlook.

Bart

tsheley · Apr 7, 2003, 10:21 PM

What I did to run it was once X11 is running in the terminal window type 'open-x11 startkde' and everything started going.

Mobile Mod · Apr 7, 2003, 10:33 PM

Well, i just had to type startkde and it all booted. I guess i had to close and reopen the terminal windows. Thanks all, the nice KDE desktop im used to on my powerbook!

Justin

Sarah31 · Apr 7, 2003, 10:35 PM

well i just have to say this...if you folks prefer running kde to aqua and x11 to OS X/Darwin your nuts. KDE is a horrible desktop it is riidled with bugs, a hog on processes and just damn ugly. Since i stopped using KDE in linux i have far less troubles. i will never touch that POS kde again.

just my two cents.

As for alternatives to fink binaries...you would have to compile kde yourself. and a warning it will take a looong time. kdebindings alone took 3 hours and one minute to compile on my AMD XP 1800+.

PowerTower Fan · Apr 8, 2003, 12:10 AM

Ok I've tried installing KDE with Fink many times and its always coming back to the same errors:

- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h

I've tried reinstalling X11 many times with no luck. Any ideas how to get this stuff so I can actually install some apps?

Colonel_Panic · Apr 8, 2003, 11:30 AM

hey zerologic Whats the package name for kdevelop?

Sven G · Apr 8, 2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Toyin:
I'm having trouble with this as well.

I installed X11, SDK, Fink, and Fink Commander. Open Office works well.

I tried to install KDE using Fink Commander. After about an hour of downloading and compiling it ended with this

- found /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
- found /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb
- found /usr/X11R6/bin/rman
- found /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.dylib
- found /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.dylib
- found /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.dylib
- found /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h
An error occurred trying to find your XFree86 installation's
version. This really shouldn't happen, so I'm bailing.

Press a key to continue.

When I pressed a key nothing happened.

So what do I do now? (Now we see the dangers of unix on the mac...wannabe geeks like me having no clue as to what they're doing )

Not sure... but maybe you should install the system-xfree86 package before installing KDE, in order to let Fink see your Apple X11 installation...?

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install system-xfree86

Sven G · Apr 8, 2003, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by PowerTower Fan:
Ok I've tried installing KDE with Fink many times and its always coming back to the same errors:

- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h

I've tried reinstalling X11 many times with no luck. Any ideas how to get this stuff so I can actually install some apps?

This is actually similar to Question 5.5 in the Fink FAQ...

Toyin · Apr 8, 2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Sven G:
Not sure... but maybe you should install the system-xfree86 package before installing KDE, in order to let Fink see your Apple X11 installation...?

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install system-xfree86

I've tried that and this is what I get :

sudo apt-get install system-xfree86
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
xfree86-base
1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
5 packages not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 3046B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 http://us.dl.sourceforge.net 10.2/release/main system-xfree86 4.2-11 [3046B]
Fetched 3046B in 9s (310B/s)
(Reading database ...
dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `system-xfree86' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
15839 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing xfree86-base ...
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/man/man3' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/man/man1' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/man' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/etc' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/html' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/include' not empty so not removed.
dpkg - warning: while removing xfree86-base, directory `/usr/X11R6/bin' not empty so not removed.
(Reading database ...
dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `system-xfree86' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
8053 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace system-xfree86 4.2-5 (using .../system-xfree86_4.2-11_darwin-powerpc.deb) ...

- found apple library
- missing /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
- missing /usr/X11R6/bin/xrdb
- missing /usr/X11R6/bin/rman
- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.dylib
- missing /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlib.h
- Apple X11 SDK is missing

** ERROR! **
It appears you have a partially-installed version of the Apple X11
release. To use Apple's X11 with Fink, you must download both the
main X11 installer, as well as the SDK (there are actually 2 separate
downloads for the Apple X11 release). Please go to
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ and download and install the missing
files, and re-attempt your install of system-xfree86.

dpkg: error processing /sw/var/cache/apt/archives/system-xfree86_4.2-11_darwin-powerpc.deb (--unpack):
subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
/sw/var/cache/apt/archives/system-xfree86_4.2-11_darwin-powerpc.deb
E: Sub-process /sw/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

I've reinstalled the x11 and x11 sdk packages twice and get the same error.

Sven G · Apr 8, 2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Toyin:
I've tried that [...]

Well... at this point (also since I'm not a Fink "specialist"!), maybe it would be better for you to try to have the problem solved by the Fink people themselves - at their mailing lists (usually they are quite helpful).

Probably (but I'm guessing, here), you didn't remove the previous Fink XFree86 correctly before installing Apple's X11...

clarkgoble · Apr 8, 2003, 02:23 PM

Just to restate the obvious, but you have both Apple's X11 program and the Apple X11 SDK installed, right?