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moreno · Jul 7, 2002, 10:31 PM

computer for kids

(i like the startup lol)

beb · Jul 7, 2002, 10:53 PM

The Mac has lost it's Mojo! Is it still even a Mac? It used to be a Macintosh. Now it's just an iMac, iBook, PowerMac, PowerBook, or an Xserve.

I'm bettin that soon the term "Mac" will be dropped from the product line replaced by something more simple and rounded.

The computers formally known as Macs. Now their just UNIX boxes with a really nifty GUI and better app support than most Linux systems.

Heather Graham is cute!

<img src="http://www.cccc.edu/images/beb/Images/BEB_05.gif" alt=" - " />

diskobolos · Jul 7, 2002, 10:58 PM

I'm surprised someone hasn't opened a poll on whether people like this boot mac or not. I don't, but I'm sure I can live with seeing it for a split second now and again on the rare occasion I see my machine boot up. Also I tend to agree that it probably will be different in the GM.

brainchild2b · Jul 8, 2002, 12:06 AM

The logo follows the strategy that Apple has followed for years :
Invest in people, NOT technology.

While it really doesn't seem like a big deal, it's just one more thing to make a machine more human. It makes it more personal and less of a machine. As silly as it sounds humans fool themselves psychologically with machines that emulate familar human behaves. Humans can even in there mind turn machines into machines with souls or beings in their mind they believe to be capable of thought.

It is a small change no doubt since we won't see it very often. But imagine a windows users or a first time mac user the impression "Hello" leaves on them. The impression that your mac is more personal, it's "Your Mac" not just "Your computer"

Somewhere in the future, we will see all technology becoming more human, and bending around the user, instead of vice versa. Apple often paves the way... We just might see one day people having feelings for their computers!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 8, 2002, 12:36 AM

Who the hell reboots their Mac's anyway?

ZnU · Jul 8, 2002, 12:50 AM

I don't know why they can't just use an Apple logo, maybe with the text "Starting..." underneath it. I don't really like this new smiley face, and I think the Apple bashers are going to have a field day with it.

moonmonkey · Jul 8, 2002, 01:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by LightWaver-67:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JLL:
The Welcome to Macintosh screen disappeared with Mac OS 7.6 as far as I remember - and ResEdit was available before that.<hr /></blockquote>WHOA! Now I remember that screen (almost forgot it) with the outline drawing of a mac with a mouse (and keyboard...?) and the Welcome text under it.

Ah yes... "Good times... good times..."

How many different "chimes" have there been...? I, personally, can mentally recall 3 of them.

You think THAT will change with any upcoming X releases...?<hr /></blockquote>As far as I know the chimes are in the ROM of the machine, and so cannot be changed, the different chimes are from different macs.

LightWaver-67 · Jul 8, 2002, 01:04 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by moonmonkey:
As far as I know the chimes are in the ROM of the machine, and so cannot be changed, the different chimes are from different macs.<hr /></blockquote>CAUTION: NAIVE QUESTION AHEAD:

Isn't that something that can be updated like a Firmware update...? Can't that be flashed & re-written...?

(be gentle with me, I know not what I speak of)

Hes Nikke · Jul 8, 2002, 01:20 AM

anyone with jag know if <a href="http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20020212090451983" target="_blank">this</a> still works? if so we don't need to complain about the 'new' start up screen, we can use the old boot that we've seen for decades

(the same one i have on my TiBook

)

Mac Guru · Jul 8, 2002, 01:51 AM

Hey Rickster, care to share with us any hack info you have on HOW to change that stuff in BootX to make a different pic? PLEEEEEESE?

Mac Guru

Cipher13 · Jul 8, 2002, 02:08 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kulverse:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nebagakid:
I believe that looks bad

I believe it is supposed to resemble the G4 iMac Screen

I believe this makes me sad...

what about people who can not read english, let alone our Alphabet

What about people in China who are really confused when they see this little guy with some english text below it?

I WANT MY HAPPPPPPPY MAC!!!!!

This is the largest deterant of upgrading to date<hr /></blockquote><img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> Taking this a liitle too hard ain't ya? A reason for not upgrading? LOL. Now that's funny. Its a freakin boot panel!!!! It shows up for a few seconds then goes away. It has nothing to do with the functionality of the OS. Unbelievable <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

That said...I like the little guy, but hate the "Hello". The "Hello" makes it look childish to me. Can't wait for Jaguar

<hr /></blockquote>At least the people here are consistent... they went to OSX cause it was pretty, now they won't upgrade cause the boot panel isn't

Coxy · Jul 8, 2002, 03:46 AM

I like OS X.
I, however, like the tradition of the Macintosh, the tradition that is being eroded week by week. Clarus was the first casualty, along with Command-Y. Next, it seems the Happy Mac will go.
What will be gone from 10.5? The phrase "Welcome to Macintosh"? Travesty!

I will upgrade to 10.2, but the first thing that I do will be to restore the Happy Mac icon.

Nathan Adams · Jul 8, 2002, 04:12 AM

I'd be interested to know what Susan Kare thinks of this?

(for those who don't know who she is, she designed all the icons and the 'city fonts' [chicago, new york, etc.] used in the original Macintosh and obviously, subsequent mac os's.
<a href="http://www.kare.com/" target="_blank">http://www.kare.com/</a> )

Personally I think it looks ****e. Far less communicative (as has been pointed out with the dead mac issue, and the fact it now seems to have to have a piece of text to accompany it), plus it loses a whole bunch of history.

undotwa · Jul 8, 2002, 04:19 AM

I think the boot panel is ugly. It's a pointless change. However, it doesn't concern me because I rarely reboot my Mac. And if I do, I walk up to Starbucks, buy a coffee and read the paper. When I come home, Mac OS X still hasn't finished intializing the Network <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> j/k

Nathan Adams · Jul 8, 2002, 04:21 AM

may I ask what Command-Y did?
I'm only a recent of a mac (had a pc for ages, but have long used macs at school/uni - but never got that indepth till recently obviously)

But there you go, someone who switched to mac with the advent of os x - and I want the old happy mac.

fourstarcltv · Jul 8, 2002, 04:32 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by themexican:
Below is an approximation of what the screen looked like:

<img src="http://www.mexicanpictures.com/old/welcomeraul.gif" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>now this brings back some memories !

and to throw my two cents in on the new 'happy mac', i like it. very stylish indeed.

[ 07-08-2002, 04:34 AM: Message edited by: fourstarcltv ]

P · Jul 8, 2002, 05:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by LightWaver-67:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by moonmonkey:
As far as I know the chimes are in the ROM of the machine, and so cannot be changed, the different chimes are from different macs.<hr /></blockquote>CAUTION: NAIVE QUESTION AHEAD:

Isn't that something that can be updated like a Firmware update...? Can't that be flashed & re-written...?

(be gentle with me, I know not what I speak of)<hr /></blockquote>Seems logical. Since Apple has updated the memory check software itself with a firmware update, it seems logical that the sounds can be updated the same way.

M�lum · Jul 8, 2002, 06:28 AM

horrible.
I sincerely hope it's a joke or a fake.

EddieDesignsDotCom · Jul 8, 2002, 06:52 AM

my god some people are sad and pathetic... who gives a damn what boot up screen you get to see,,, I didn't spend $1000's to care about my boot up screen, I use my computer to work with and make a living - idiots!

if anything I am all for modernising and change.

derbs · Jul 8, 2002, 07:03 AM

oh god

please no. PLEASE no!

18 years of heritage gone just like that? Just because Ives wants to make another design statement?

sterfry · Jul 8, 2002, 07:15 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> oh god
please no. PLEASE no!
18 years of heritage gone just like that? Just because Ives wants to make another design statement?
<hr /></blockquote>So, I supposed you complained too when they released the Blue and White G3, as well as the iMac? I mean, Apple has made some radical jumps in its time, and this isn't all that severe. I think that it's just the next 'step' in Apple's OS design, representing simplicity and user-friendliness.

I have a friend who I've convinced to get an eMac after Macworld, but it took a bit of "show and tell". He believed that Macs were, although well designed, still running the equivalent of OS 9. He didn't believe that things had improved until after we got past the happy Mac screen... So I think this is a good thing for Apple indeed!

And the design is very japanese, just look at any japanese food product's packaging. And, I like it as it is. Kind of cute, eh?

derbs · Jul 8, 2002, 07:19 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by EddieDesignsDotCom:
my god some people are sad and pathetic... who gives a damn what boot up screen you get to see,,, I didn't spend $1000's to care about my boot up screen, I use my computer to work with and make a living - idiots!

if anything I am all for modernising and change.<hr /></blockquote>ummm.... you just don't get it do you? The smiley mac startup has been used ever since the first Mac, back in 1984. I've been using Macs almost as long. The good thing about being an original mac user is that fact you don't see your computer as a tool, you don't care about the price tag. It's almost a philosophy.

You, obviously, only got into the game a couple of years ago when you thought the iMac looked cool. Oh yeah, and it was affordable.

Why change a design classic just for a fashion? It's a heresy

derbs · Jul 8, 2002, 07:26 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sterfry:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> oh god
please no. PLEASE no!
18 years of heritage gone just like that? Just because Ives wants to make another design statement?
<hr /></blockquote>So, I supposed you complained too when they released the Blue and White G3, as well as the iMac? I mean, Apple has made some radical jumps in its time, and this isn't all that severe. I think that it's just the next 'step' in Apple's OS design, representing simplicity and user-friendliness.

I have a friend who I've convinced to get an eMac after Macworld, but it took a bit of "show and tell". He believed that Macs were, although well designed, still running the equivalent of OS 9. He didn't believe that things had improved until after we got past the happy Mac screen... So I think this is a good thing for Apple indeed!

And the design is very japanese, just look at any japanese food product's packaging. And, I like it as it is. Kind of cute, eh?<hr /></blockquote>No, sorry, it is not cute. It looks horrible. It has its eyes closed. Either that or it's meant to be oriental. Do we get localised versions?

I loved the G3bw and the iMacs, not only were they incredibly good looking (at the time), but also very functional (the swing door on the G3 still has not been bettered)

Anyway i've already posted some feedback at apple.com/macosx/feedback. I urge anyone else who feels like i do to do the same.

<img src="http://www.ics.uci.edu/~truesdel/MacGuide.folder/MacGuide.images/happy_mac.gif" alt=" - " />

WE WANT OUR SMILEY MAC BACK!

Andrew 8808 · Jul 8, 2002, 09:46 AM

Wow, I didn't know the change of the boot screen would cause such a fuss. Is it really THAT big of a deal? I mean, how many people are rebooting OS X on a daily basis anyways? You see the screen for a second or two. And for those who can/want to change it, do so. Change is a good thing.

Nathan Adams · Jul 8, 2002, 09:48 AM

1. That startup screen would NOT have been designed by Ives (Ive's is an industrial designer, he has nothing to do with os x's gui design)

2. It most definately is not Japanesey. As a graphic designer who has both studied Japanese design and experienced it first hand - it most certainly is not japanese-like at all.

And the point of it being there since the original mac in 1984 is extremely valid. Everything else has changed in one way or another - the happy mac was the one consistant thing across all macs. If they wanted to make it new - just anti-alias his edges a litle, but keep the old mac icon in place - not replace it.

cwasko · Jul 8, 2002, 09:54 AM

I say trash the old icon. Nothing is the same anymore... why should the boot icon be? Granted, I think the picutre shown at the top of this thread is ugly. But, I could really care less. Apple needs to break the mold completely and totaly cut all ties to the 'old world' Mac. So, punt that puppy and lets get on with the game.

moki · Jul 8, 2002, 10:02 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cwasko:
I say trash the old icon. Nothing is the same anymore... why should the boot icon be? Granted, I think the picutre shown at the top of this thread is ugly. But, I could really care less. Apple needs to break the mold completely and totaly cut all ties to the 'old world' Mac. So, punt that puppy and lets get on with the game.<hr /></blockquote>I'd go for a nice white classy antialiased Apple logo, myself...

cwasko · Jul 8, 2002, 10:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by moki:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cwasko:
I say trash the old icon. Nothing is the same anymore... why should the boot icon be? Granted, I think the picutre shown at the top of this thread is ugly. But, I could really care less. Apple needs to break the mold completely and totaly cut all ties to the 'old world' Mac. So, punt that puppy and lets get on with the game.<hr /></blockquote>I'd go for a nice white classy antialiased Apple logo, myself...<hr /></blockquote>Yea, that would work. Enough with the smiley-face guy... too happy-happy joy-joy like; its borderline embarassing.

Gul Banana · Jul 8, 2002, 10:14 AM

There's actually an animation hidden in the happy mac these days. However, I have no idea what it signifies, as the sequence of events that produces it is... kind of arcane

Here are the steps that produce it for me; they're reproducible, but not something I'm planning to do again.

YOU NEED
1x 366 MHz G3 iMac, Bondi Blue, with broken CD-ROM drive and 384 MB RAM
OS: 9
1x G3 tower, 233 MHz
OS: 9; Mac OS X Server (the old one) installed on a seperate partition
Both connected to an ethernet&Appletalk network, which also contains Many Other Things.

STEPS
1. Attempt to install OS X on the iMac, "Blueberry".
2. Realise that this is difficult without a working CD drive.
3. (optional) Attempt to get a CD drive into it through various means; all fail.
4. Decide to netboot Blueberry off the tower, "Nautilus", using its rarely-booted installation of Mac OS X Server; Nautilus will serve Blueberry a disk image of the OS 10.1 install CD as its startup disk.
5. (optional) Spend a great deal of time properly configuring OS X Server. 6. Set up appropriate disk images and kernels on Nautilus to be netbooted from.
7. Turn on Blueberry, holding down command-option-O-F for Open Firmware. Type the command (I've forgotten it, something like nboot enet <ip> <kernel name&gt

. Wait as the kernel is copied across.
8. (optional) Growl as the computer does not boot, claiming mach_kernel is not the correct format. Repeat several times with several different attempted configurations, building up eventually to a scream of rage until you
9. Hit upon a configuration that works, seemingly. At Blueberry's OF prompt , type the magic, press return, and you're away... there's the pretty little happy mac icon for a second...
And then, it grows legs.
It grows bloody legs. Little robot-like things.
They extrude from its bottom, pushing the main icon upwards a centimeter or so. It sits there, being utterly bizzare at you. Everyone in the computer club gathers around making noises like "What the swearword?" "Oh my god what is that THING" "How did you do that, do it again?".
Blueberry having frozen, I reset it and Nautilus. Then we tried again. Same procedure. Configure netbooting on both ends, work the black-text-on-white-open-firmware-prompt magic... startup chime... happy mac... LITTLE ROBOT LEGS GROWING OUT.
And then, the freeze.
We were too scared to continue; more swearwords were sworn, and Blueberry had its hard drive excised, exorcised, inserted into Nautilus' tender shell, and X was installed on it. I replaced it without incident, and viola, one OS X iMac.

The legs will stay with me for the rest of my life... not a nightmare, but an apocalyptic vision nonetheless.

Nonsuch · Jul 8, 2002, 10:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by moki:
I'd go for a nice white classy antialiased Apple logo, myself...<hr /></blockquote>One of the things I always thought was cool about the original Mac was that it smiled at you when you turned it on. Apple has kept that distinction going all through the intervening years. I don't really care what the screen looks like, but I do think it should still smile at you.

lookmark · Jul 8, 2002, 10:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nathan Adams:
[QB]1. That startup screen would NOT have been designed by Ives (Ive's is an industrial designer, he has nothing to do with os x's gui design)

2. It most definately is not Japanesey. As a graphic designer who has both studied Japanese design and experienced it first hand - it most certainly is not japanese-like at all.<hr /></blockquote>1. Right.

2. I don't mean to box all Japanese design into a single style -- there's an amazing range out there -- but it's hard to look at mainstream Japanese design (especially product design) and not notice the tendency toward the simple, minimal, and cute. Sometimes almost to a curious extreme.

You only need to stroll though a Japanese grocery store to notice this, but here are some popular samples.

Floppy panda
<img src="http://www.metropolis.co.jp/biginjapanarchive349/326/pics/tarepanda.jpg" alt=" - " />
Hello kitty
<img src="http://www.sanrio.co.jp/english/characters/w_chara/kt180.gif" alt=" - " />
Tamagotchi
<img src="http://members.hknet.com/~ada/tamagotchi/tamagame/anime1.gif" alt=" - " />

(Japanese artist Takashi Murakami plays with these tendencies too, though in a much darker way.)

And <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.12/cute.html" target="_blank">here's</a> an article from Wired on the subject.

If you'd care to explain why the new boot panel isn't influenced by Japanese design, please do.

[ 07-08-2002, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: lookmark ]

Vanquish · Jul 8, 2002, 10:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> There's actually an animation hidden in the happy mac these days. However, I have no idea what it signifies, as the sequence of events that produces it is... kind of arcane

Here are the steps that produce it for me; they're reproducible, but not something I'm planning to do again.

YOU NEED
1x 366 MHz G3 iMac, Bondi Blue, with broken CD-ROM drive and 384 MB RAM
OS: 9
1x G3 tower, 233 MHz
OS: 9; Mac OS X Server (the old one) installed on a seperate partition
Both connected to an ethernet&Appletalk network, which also contains Many Other Things.

STEPS
1. Attempt to install OS X on the iMac, "Blueberry".
2. Realise that this is difficult without a working CD drive.
3. (optional) Attempt to get a CD drive into it through various means; all fail.
4. Decide to netboot Blueberry off the tower, "Nautilus", using its rarely-booted installation of Mac OS X Server; Nautilus will serve Blueberry a disk image of the OS 10.1 install CD as its startup disk.
5. (optional) Spend a great deal of time properly configuring OS X Server. 6. Set up appropriate disk images and kernels on Nautilus to be netbooted from.
7. Turn on Blueberry, holding down command-option-O-F for Open Firmware. Type the command (I've forgotten it, something like nboot enet <ip> <kernel name&gt

. Wait as the kernel is copied across.
8. (optional) Growl as the computer does not boot, claiming mach_kernel is not the correct format. Repeat several times with several different attempted configurations, building up eventually to a scream of rage until you
9. Hit upon a configuration that works, seemingly. At Blueberry's OF prompt , type the magic, press return, and you're away... there's the pretty little happy mac icon for a second...
And then, it grows legs.
It grows bloody legs. Little robot-like things.
They extrude from its bottom, pushing the main icon upwards a centimeter or so. It sits there, being utterly bizzare at you. Everyone in the computer club gathers around making noises like "What the swearword?" "Oh my god what is that THING" "How did you do that, do it again?".
Blueberry having frozen, I reset it and Nautilus. Then we tried again. Same procedure. Configure netbooting on both ends, work the black-text-on-white-open-firmware-prompt magic... startup chime... happy mac... LITTLE ROBOT LEGS GROWING OUT.
And then, the freeze.
We were too scared to continue; more swearwords were sworn, and Blueberry had its hard drive excised, exorcised, inserted into Nautilus' tender shell, and X was installed on it. I replaced it without incident, and viola, one OS X iMac.

The legs will stay with me for the rest of my life... not a nightmare, but an apocalyptic vision nonetheless. <hr /></blockquote>Wow man, that's some heavy **** !, I think it's triggered by something in the Open Firmware code.
Could somebody make an artists impression of this ?

[ 07-08-2002, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: Vanquish ]

lookmark · Jul 8, 2002, 10:31 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Wow man, that's some heavy **** !, I think it's triggered by something in the Open Firmware code.<hr /></blockquote>Or by some serious substances. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Oneota · Jul 8, 2002, 10:33 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
[...]
9. Hit upon a configuration that works, seemingly. At Blueberry's OF prompt , type the magic, press return, and you're away... there's the pretty little happy mac icon for a second...
And then, it grows legs.
It grows bloody legs. Little robot-like things.
They extrude from its bottom, pushing the main icon upwards a centimeter or so. It sits there, being utterly bizzare at you. Everyone in the computer club gathers around making noises like "What the swearword?" "Oh my god what is that THING" "How did you do that, do it again?".
Blueberry having frozen, I reset it and Nautilus. Then we tried again. Same procedure. Configure netbooting on both ends, work the black-text-on-white-open-firmware-prompt magic... startup chime... happy mac... LITTLE ROBOT LEGS GROWING OUT.
And then, the freeze.
We were too scared to continue; more swearwords were sworn, and Blueberry had its hard drive excised, exorcised, inserted into Nautilus' tender shell, and X was installed on it. I replaced it without incident, and viola, one OS X iMac.

The legs will stay with me for the rest of my life... not a nightmare, but an apocalyptic vision nonetheless.<hr /></blockquote>Whoa...freaky. You didn't happen to get a picture of that, didja? I'd kinda like to see that.

Person Man · Jul 8, 2002, 10:40 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Coxy:
I like OS X.
I, however, like the tradition of the Macintosh, the tradition that is being eroded week by week. Clarus was the first casualty, along with Command-Y. Next, it seems the Happy Mac will go.
What will be gone from 10.5? The phrase "Welcome to Macintosh"? Travesty!

I will upgrade to 10.2, but the first thing that I do will be to restore the Happy Mac icon.<hr /></blockquote>Apparently Clarus is back in 10.2, as the little "mascot" for the insert character panel. I remember seeing a screenshot of it a while back. They may have taken her out of later builds, but I haven't seen people screaming about it, so they probably have left her there.

Gul Banana · Jul 8, 2002, 10:44 AM

I'll try and whip up a simulacrum of the robot-legs happymac in Photoshop or something; check back in a few minutes if you're interested

I'm wondering, now, whether it was some sort of indication of networking; maybe the legs were meant to be cables or something. Nevertheless, it was incredibly freaky.

piracy · Jul 8, 2002, 10:44 AM

I have been inextricably tied to the Mac platform for longer than most of you have been alive...over 18 years. I've lived, breathed, and ate Apple for almost two decades. And yet, amazingly, I'm not reduced to an illogically raving lunatic by the prospects of the happy Mac changing. I'm guessing most of you here have been using Macs for five years or less, maybe some a little more.

Believe it or not, the vast, vast, vast majority of people will either:

1. Not care about this change at all, or

2. Consider it a welcome change.

The happy Mac has greeted countless millions of people billions of times around the world. But things change.

And, for f*ck's sake, keep things in perspective. It's a F*CKING BOOT SCREEN! To those of you who say you won't upgrade to Jag because of it, I can only hope you leave the platform, because we don't need totally ignorant, irrational, mentally unbalanced f*cks like you using the platform.

And yes, please: go post a bunch of blabbering, ranting, jibberish feedback to Apple about prerelease, targeted test builds you have no access to. Maybe Apple will try to plug some of the leaks so that sane people won't have to sit here and listen to a bunch of nonsensical bullsh!t about a F*UCKING BOOT SCREEEN.

Get a grip, people. And CTFD.

[ 07-08-2002, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: piracy ]

nonhuman · Jul 8, 2002, 10:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nathan Adams:
may I ask what Command-Y did?
I'm only a recent of a mac (had a pc for ages, but have long used macs at school/uni - but never got that indepth till recently obviously)

But there you go, someone who switched to mac with the advent of os x - and I want the old happy mac.<hr /></blockquote>Command-Y was for the 'Put Away' command in the Special menu. Essentially it did what command-E does now in OS X, but back in the old days the 'Eject' command didn't do what it does now. It would eject a floppy, but leave the icon on the desktop, so if you used the actualy eject command you would then have to also drag the icon to the trash. If you used command-Y on a file it would move that file back to the folder where it had been created (a function I never really understood the purpose of).

Quick fact: 'Put Away' was one of five ways that you could eject a floppy. They were 'Put Away', 'Eject', drag to the trash, command-shift-1, and the ever popular paperclip in the drive-hole.

M�lum · Jul 8, 2002, 10:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lookmark:
[QB]
Hello kitty
<img src="http://www.sanrio.co.jp/english/characters/w_chara/kt180.gif" alt=" - " /> /QB]<hr /></blockquote>Hello Kitty is NOT a Japanese design, but a DUTCH design by Dick Bruna.

lookmark · Jul 8, 2002, 11:02 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M�lum:
Hello Kitty is NOT a Japanese design, but a DUTCH design by Dick Bruna.<hr /></blockquote>Dick Bruna created <a href="http://www.miffy.org/" target="_blank">Miffy</a>.

Hello Kitty was greatly influenced by Miffy. I'm not aware that Bruna had any part in creating HK.

But the point of Hello Kitty as an example is not its original designer (who could be English, or Dutch, or American, for all it matters) but <a href="http://media.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4218120,00.html" target="_blank">its effect and cultural history</a>. HK has become an icon of Japanese culture, and, to some extent, of Japanese design.

[ 07-08-2002, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: lookmark ]

gorickey · Jul 8, 2002, 11:08 AM

Mage:

Would you mind posting the seed notes for c87?

Thanks!

M�lum · Jul 8, 2002, 11:08 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lookmark:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by M�lum:
Hello Kitty is NOT a Japanese design, but a DUTCH design by Dick Bruna.<hr /></blockquote>Dick Bruna created <a href="http://www.miffy.org/" target="_blank">Miffy</a>.

Hello Kitty was greatly influenced by Miffy. I'm not aware that Bruna had any part in creating HK.

But the point of Hello Kitty as an example is not its original designer (who could be English, or Dutch, or American, for all it matters) but <a href="http://media.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4218120,00.html" target="_blank">its effect and cultural history</a>. HK has become an icon of Japanese culture, and, to some extent, of Japanese design.<hr /></blockquote>No, I wasn't adding my imput to the discussion, but only correcting your post. Hello Kitty is created by Dick Bruna. I know Dick very well, he was my neighbour when I lived in Utrecht.

Gee4orce · Jul 8, 2002, 11:33 AM

What's the big deal ? This is OS X remember - you're only going to see the boot screen like once. Ever. Unless you have a power cut.

Sheesh !

lookmark · Jul 8, 2002, 11:52 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gee4orce:
What's the big deal ? This is OS X remember - you're only going to see the boot screen like once. Ever. Unless you have a power cut.
<hr /></blockquote>We know that. It's more of a discussion, in a way, about the face of the Mac. This is the first thing new users will see when a Mac is turned on.

It's also something administrators are going be seeing a great deal of.

It's also an interestin' design Q.

Some of the reactions here, though, are pretty silly. You know, the category of "I was counting the days until Jaguar GC, but if this is the final boot screen APPLE CAN STICK THEIR OS WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE AND I'M BUYING A PEECEE TOMORROW!!!"

[ 07-08-2002, 11:57 AM: Message edited by: lookmark ]

nonhuman · Jul 8, 2002, 11:54 AM

It looks to me like the new picture is the happy mac, only it's just the screen and not the actual computer. Maybe they'll just make it so the screen displays a smiley face so that your computer is the happy mac.

[ 07-08-2002, 12:08 PM: Message edited by: nonhuman ]

piracy · Jul 8, 2002, 12:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gorickey:
Mage:

Would you mind posting the seed notes for c87?

Thanks!<hr /></blockquote>Don't bother asking. He doesn't have them.

(And yes, I know this for a fact.)

piracy · Jul 8, 2002, 12:07 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nonhuman:
It looks to me like the new picture is the happy mac, only it's just the screen and not the actual computer. Maybe they'll just make it so the screen displays a smiley face so that you're computer is the happy mac.<hr /></blockquote>If you're going to go out of your way to make "you're" bold, at least spell it right.

nonhuman · Jul 8, 2002, 12:08 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by piracy:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by nonhuman:
It looks to me like the new picture is the happy mac, only it's just the screen and not the actual computer. Maybe they'll just make it so the screen displays a smiley face so that you're computer is the happy mac.<hr /></blockquote>If you're going to go out of your way to make "you're" bold, at least spell it right.<hr /></blockquote>Haha, my bad. And I'm usually so good about that stuff...

Jerommeke · Jul 8, 2002, 01:04 PM

the new sad mac

zerologic · Jul 8, 2002, 01:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by derbs:
WE WANT OUR SMILEY MAC BACK!<hr /></blockquote>You might, but I don't. I like the new look. I like OS X. I like that Apple's market share grew a little because people are taking the Macintosh seriously again. Most of the reason Macs are being taken seriously is the fact that the OS has just about nothing in common with Classic Mac operating systems.

Before you go on about how I'm a new user, you're wrong. I've been using Macintosh since 1986/7. I loved the Classic Mac OS, but it is time for it to DIE. It has nothing in common with a modern operating system and has little to offer anyone other than stubborn people with 6 color blood. moof.

In order to represent change, Apple needs to take some action. Pronouncing Mac OS 9 dead is one. Changing the startup screen is another. Get used to it.

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