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She won't get a pass, but she should be raked over the coals for this. I look forward to the justification for not using government email. And yes she's going to get subpoena'd to hell because BENGHAZI
I can't wait for all the shrieking from her if she runs for president. Somehow I don't think she will run if it looks like she will be in court a lot. One pundit said the cases that were dismissed because of lack of emails will be re-opened, and the people who swore under oath for her have committed perjury. The emails she's given is 55000 pages (printed). She's trying to stall things I think.
Don't you think that stuff is long gone from the server(s)? She's probably been doing that since she left office.
Well, here's the interesting technicality: If she was emailing State Department officials, their official email would have record of the conversations. Clinton couldn't scrub those.
Another question: House oversight had to know about this private email from almost the get-go. Any correspondence they subpoenaed had to have listed her private email in the headers. So how did this not come up til now?
It doesn't boggle the mind if the general idea is to prevent/obstruct FOIA access to even more damaging material.
One would think Hillary Clinton would be smart enough not to put any such "damaging material" in ANY email ... government provided or otherwise. I just can't imagine her discussing "where the bodies are buried" so to speak on any medium with an electronic paper trail. This just smacks of doing something out of convenience (i.e. not having to use multiple email accounts for personal and professional communications) and just overlooking the fact that when it becomes public it will look "suspicious" at best.
I have four email accounts on my iPhone, five including the OWA app for my corporate account. If the world's smartest person can't manage two, she needs to resign the title.
One would think Hillary Clinton would be smart enough not to put any such "damaging material" in ANY email ... government provided or otherwise. I just can't imagine her discussing "where the bodies are buried" so to speak on any medium with an electronic paper trail. This just smacks of doing something out of convenience (i.e. not having to use multiple email accounts for personal and professional communications) and just overlooking the fact that when it becomes public it will look "suspicious" at best.
OAW
It sounds like she went really out of her way to setup, configure, and use her own personal email server (or hire people to do it for her) - so I don't think she's that naive to pull the "oh it was just easier, i didn't see the difference anyways" card.
It looks more like she wanted to ensure total control over her correspondence so she didn't have to worry about what might be heard on the record and what might not be, and being able to figure out who exactly she's corresponding with. That's where it was easier for her; she didn't have to keep an "off-the-record" account. It's trivial to add multiple accounts to a single phone. She used her private account so that she wouldn't have to switch between "Secretary of State" and "Wheeling, Stealing, and Dealing" personas when conversing over email.
The whole "multiple phones" excuse is just a diversion for the truly ignorant.
The "multiple phones" thing isn't an excuse to be fair. There are government regulations in place about having government email accounts and personal email accounts on the same device. Federal employees having to carry multiple devices is real. They have a lot more restrictions than we do in the private sector. That being said, I think Clinton should have known better.
The configuration of the servers is also important. She didn't follow any of the laws regarding this. I'm pretty sure she didn't do all the updates, keep up with the firewalls and put people in place to keep out the hackers. That the idiot investigators didn't seize the illegal servers before is a puzzle. Probably incompetence and cowardice.
What doesn't make any sense to me is that if this was truly and attempt to have "control" over her email, it was pointless since there is a copy of every email she sent in the recipients inbox. In the case of other government officials, there is most certainly a backup of these emails. Are people really this stupid?
What doesn't make any sense to me is that if this was truly and attempt to have "control" over her email, it was pointless since there is a copy of every email she sent in the recipients inbox. In the case of other government officials, there is most certainly a backup of these emails. Are people really this stupid?
What about people NOT gov't employees? Foreign nationals donating to the Clinton foundation for access or favors? We ARE talking about the Clintons after all.
I have four email accounts on my iPhone, five including the OWA app for my corporate account. If the world's smartest person can't manage two, she needs to resign the title.
Obama's former speechwriter Jon Favreau indicated on Twitter that two devices was the norm. "[Y]ou couldn't [have two accounts on one phone] with WH accounts (and I guess State too) until maybe 2011-12," he tweeted, later adding that "eventually there was an app for your iPhone that allowed you to access your WH emails," and that "you couldn't access Gmail on any WH computers either." Senior administration officials having two phones is still common to this day.
Originally Posted by Snow-i
It sounds like she went really out of her way to setup, configure, and use her own personal email server (or hire people to do it for her)
You make it sound like she did this special for her position. I suspect (feel free to show me if I'm wrong) that they had this email address since Bill left office, and she wanted to continue to use the service.
Originally Posted by BadKosh
The configuration of the servers is also important. She didn't follow any of the laws regarding this.
Link?
Originally Posted by Atheist
What doesn't make any sense to me is that if this was truly and attempt to have "control" over her email, it was pointless since there is a copy of every email she sent in the recipients inbox. In the case of other government officials, there is most certainly a backup of these emails. Are people really this stupid?
That kind of lends credence to laziness angle, actually.
Originally Posted by BadKosh
What about people NOT gov't employees? Foreign nationals donating to the Clinton foundation for access or favors? We ARE talking about the Clintons after all.
Those would presumably go to a personal email anyway.
The standard appears to have been (and in some cases still is): a secure phone provided by the government plus an unsecure phone for your personal use. As with all things government, it's not clear yet how uniformly this was applied, including across administrations. But it does suggest that the question being asked shouldn't be "Why would Hillary Clinton need two phones?" and should be instead "How secure was the phone she was using?"
From the photos from back in the day, she wasn't using an iPhone then. Anyone know what she using? (Blackberry or an Android?)
I have four email accounts on my iPhone, five including the OWA app for my corporate account. If the world's smartest person can't manage two, she needs to resign the title.
My effin god-forsaken POS Exchange account had an issue recently - iOS didn't alert me to any issues so I was oblivious to any problems. Turns out a few emails I sent went out via my personal account, because the default account (exchange) failed without indication.
shit happens.
edit: I can't stand Hillary, but this email thing is BS
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
Based on TrustNet analyst, Venafi can conclude clintonemail.com was enabled for browser, smartphone, and tablet encryption since 2009 and can operate using encryption through at least 2018. However, for the first 3 months of Secretary Clinton's term, access to the server was not encrypted or authenticated with a digital certificate. During this time, Secretary Clinton travelled to China, Egypt, Israel, South Korea and other locations outside of the U.S.
So you're saying email security or accountability is overblown?
email security/accountability are indeed important matters, but again, no war was caused and no one died as a result. There are far more tragic things happening in the world... it's a hot topic because the republicans got lucky and found something remotely truthful to throw at her.
alas, I do not care about her emails, who she emailed, how she emailed, the frickin font she used... lol it doesn't matter to me - if she was the president, or director of the cia, it would. But to me, no, she is irrelevant.
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
Interesting, you don't care but you think she's finished. I don't think she's finished, not until something tangible comes out of this.
I'm a man of many contradictions - a complicated person like an onion with many, many layers, making you cry as you peel... wait... never mind.
Okay, to be fair - maybe she isn't finished. I wish her luck. But she'll never get my vote.
The only good thing to come out of this will be a set of firm laws regarding government communications that fit the modern age - laws that feature severe penalties if broken.
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
Nobody thinks its bad that Hillary and her staff made the determination on whether the Dept. of Snake would get the emails or not? No red flags or anything? No?
Then, there's this about how secure the server is:
You make it sound like she did this special for her position. I suspect (feel free to show me if I'm wrong) that they had this email address since Bill left office, and she wanted to continue to use the service.
No, I'm saying she wanted to continue to use the service which she knew would protect her from having to turn over any emails.
I keep seeing the authorities, with all the correct paperwork, going to the location of the server, with orders to power it down and bring it to DC, and Hillary and the feds getting into a real tugging match. Should make for great TV.
No, I'm saying she wanted to continue to use the service which she knew would protect her from having to turn over any emails.
It doesn't pass the sniff test.
Dude, that's the most obvious conclusion of the entire kerfuffle. Your phrasing however, made it seem like she went great lengths to get here. I really don't think she did.
The only good thing to come out of this will be a set of firm laws regarding government communications that fit the modern age - laws that feature severe penalties if broken.
Well, from my understanding those laws already exist and went into effect after she left her post.
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