[typoon]

I've been talking to my friends lately about what would you do if you had to choose how to kill Bin Ladin after he was captured. Here are a couple of ideas we had

Pay Per view Shark feeding.

Leaving him at Ground Zero for the resuce workers and New Yorkers to have there way with him

Pirana (SP) feeding.

What would you pick?

[shmerek]

I would prefer to have him sit is a solitary small dank box for the rest of his life and every night let a relative of someone he has hurt kick him in the nuts.

[MikeM32]

Chain him up inside an old building that's due for demolition, preferably one that's in the middle of nowehere. Then crash a plane into the building utilizing an old airplane rigged-up with remote control.

Might as well let the punishment fit the crime.

Mike

[OldManMac]

None of the above: he should be caught, tried, convicted and executed according to the law. Torturing someone makes the torturer the same irrational animal and just perpetuates the problem. If we all decide to inflict what we think is just punishment, no one would be safe on the streets. There is no doubt that he is one of the sickos of the 21st century; we have to rise above him and his ilk, not stoop down to their level!

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[cpt kangarooski]

I agree with Karl. Torture is not a civilized response. It's decidedly unamerican. (we've had a ban on cruel and unusual punishments for over two hundred years, last I heard) It is the kind of thing we've justifiably despised in foreign regimes, and absolutely should never be performed here. I'd be far more upset at the torturer than the tortured at that point. It's a sick, puerile, revenge fantasy, and it has no place in civilized society, much less anywhere else. Communists tortured. Nazis tortured. Every half-baked dictatorship around has tortured. Why the HELL would we want to join the ranks of those rogues?

Furthermore, he has to be able to, if he desires, mount a credible defense. We can't blithely assume that he's responsible, that he should be subject to capital punishment. Firstly, because our jurisdiction in this matter is incredibly suspect; he should probably be tried at the Hague if anywhere. Secondly, because we cannot abandon our principles of fairness and justice when even if it would be inconvenient to retain them. Sham trials harm our own government, diminish confidence in it domestically and abroad, and repudiate all we stand for in the first place. We have nothing to fear from actual justice -- let's have some, instead of deciding arbitrarily, shall we? Again, we'd be joining the ranks of our enemies throughout history, validating them, and becoming them, to resort to such inappropriate things as sham trials and false justice.

[Avenir]

Why not put him in a specialize Jail cell in Washington DC so that he has only one window and it is a view of the capitol/whitehouse/whatever for the rest of his life. I think that'd drive him nuts.

[grand illusion]

why not something simple like life in solitary, watching nothing but rosie o'donnell reruns...

[suprz]

Originally posted by KarlG:
<STRONG>None of the above: he should be caught, tried, convicted and executed according to the law. Torturing someone makes the torturer the same irrational animal and just perpetuates the problem. If we all decide to inflict what we think is just punishment, no one would be safe on the streets. There is no doubt that he is one of the sickos of the 21st century; we have to rise above him and his ilk, not stoop down to their level!

[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: KarlG ]

[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: KarlG ]</STRONG>

where's the fun in that?? and in all honesty, i dont feel like having my tax dollars spent on his 3 meals and security escort while he's on trial. you said "torturing someone makes the torturer the same irrational animal and just perpetuates the problem" how so? if i torture this scumbag to death, it does not mean that i will become a terrorist or a killer. you are working under the "assumption" that if anyone were to torture and kill him that they would automatically turn into him. oh please!! how many of the executioners in our death row prisons have turned into killers because they pulled the switch on a convict? let's get biblical here, "vengenace is mine sayeth the lord" or "an eye for an eye" where is your anger? where is your rage?...oh yeah, i forgot, it isnt politically correct anymore

[shanraghan]

Originally posted by KarlG:
<STRONG>None of the above: he should be caught, tried, convicted and executed according to the law. Torturing someone makes the torturer the same irrational animal and just perpetuates the problem. If we all decide to inflict what we think is just punishment, no one would be safe on the streets. There is no doubt that he is one of the sickos of the 21st century; we have to rise above him and his ilk, not stoop down to their level!
</STRONG>

I wholeheartedly agree. I would say more, but most of it has been said already. Though, I must admit the Washington DC idea sounds like a good idea.

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[iBabo]

nothing that would kill him
as you can see, a life for people like him dont mean anything, there is no value in his life for him, so the way im sure he sees it is he dies, he'll get rid of all his miseries...
why do we kill people that have killed people to show that killing people is wrong?

instead let the F*CKER live, and solitary confinment seems really good, hehehe......not only should he be in solitary confinment but have the walls of the room be the american flag.....everywhere he looks!!!!...HAHA..that aught to drive him nuts......
i dunno just a thought

[Fyre4ce]

Personally I agree with Karl. We need to set an example for the global community. But, since we're on the topic, a fate like John of Laden would be appropriate: We should lock him in a suspended cage in Times Square. Let the thousands of people who walk by there every day watch him slowly starve, die, and rot. That would send a potent message... though I don't think it's a message we should send.

[sek929]

Originally posted by KarlG:
<STRONG>None of the above: he should be caught, tried, convicted and executed according to the law. Torturing someone makes the torturer the same irrational animal and just perpetuates the problem. If we all decide to inflict what we think is just punishment, no one would be safe on the streets. There is no doubt that he is one of the sickos of the 21st century; we have to rise above him and his ilk, not stoop down to their level!

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[ 12-16-2001: Message edited by: KarlG ]</STRONG>

That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.

So, by using your logic, if we torture a terrorist and matstermind behind the killing of 5000+ civilians we become terrorists and killers of 5000+ civilians? No! We become the torturers and generally pissed off country that had a terrorist orginization so brutaly attack it on numerous occations. We would not get "down to his level"....besides do you even know what that means in this situation or are you just spouting off pacifist bullshit without thinking of its connotations in this case? Going down to someone's level is like punching someone in the face because they punched you in the face, not torturing someone because they killed many thousands of innocent people around the world.

I would hate to have this man in a courtroom using up taxpayer money. **** no, **** that! Draw, string, and cauterise the bastard. There is no reason for politically correct pansy shit in this situation.

[Korv]

I'm not exactly sure exactly how he should be killed. But whatever it is, it should be televised.

[malson]

I don't honestly think he will ever make it to a court room or tribunal. One of these bombs is gonna catch him or some soldier in the Northern Alliance is gonna shoot the SOB. Hey, I really don't care how it happens, but I want to see him dead. I don't think televising an execution or public displays are the answer. I think it will be enough just to drag his dead body around behind a Hummer or a tank or something. That would be enough for me...

[shanraghan]

Originally posted by sek929:
<STRONG>

That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.

So, by using your logic, if we torture a terrorist and matstermind behind the killing of 5000+ civilians we become terrorists and killers of 5000+ civilians? No! We become the torturers and generally pissed off country that had a terrorist orginization so brutaly attack it on numerous occations. We would not get "down to his level"....besides do you even know what that means in this situation or are you just spouting off pacifist bullshit without thinking of its connotations in this case? Going down to someone's level is like punching someone in the face because they punched you in the face, not torturing someone because they killed many thousands of innocent people around the world.</STRONG>

Even if we aren't lowering ourselves down to his level, we would still be lowering ourselves down too far. Whether or not we're exactly at his level isn't the point: the fact that many of the ideas stated here would make us just like Al Queda is. And why, do you ask, would it make us just like them? I know it must seem ridiculous to you that exacting revenge on such an evil person would have anything to do with the destruction of six million lives. Then again, weren't anger and revenge the motivations behind their attack? In that sense, we and Al Queda would be the same. As I see it now, this war, or rather military action, and the destruction of Al Queda and Bin Laden are a necessary defensive measure. Nothing more, nothing less. Allowing our anger and revenge to control our actions would simply perpetuate the very things we claim to fight against.

[Millennium]

The man deserves death by torture. He may be the only person in the last fifty-odd years to truly deserve it, and the last on a very short list if we were to include all of history up till now, but he certainly does. And yet, we can't give it to him. To do so would make us no better than him, no matter how justified we may be.

This said, my only wish is that his death be as unclean and foul as possible short of torturing him (with "unclean" and "foul" being defined by his religion). Deny him the eternal reward he thinks he will get. I have a few ideas as to how that might be accomplished, but I'd prefer to refrain from posting them here, because my imagination can get very twisted when these kinds of things are concerned and a few of my ideas are not for those with weak, or even moderately strong, stomachs.

If all else fails, I suppose we could just lock him up in the sex-crimes wing of the nastiest prison we can find for the rest of his life. Only problem is, his life would probably be pretty short, but I suppose there's nothing that can be done about that.

[pathogen]

I think he will be a martyr for many in the middle east when he dies, so when he has been found we should do our best to diffuse that.

No matter what you do to him, I think he will have a distant smile on his face because his being persecuted and suffering for his faith is something he believes will 1) cause more people to have sympathy and convert to Fundementalist Islam 2) give him more heroic status and 3) be worthy of a hero's welcome in heaven when he dies.

Keeping him alive in prison is also not an option. There will be too many kidnappings and terrorist acts which will simply be attempts to have him released.

The best thing that can happen in my estimation is for him to be found dead, apparently shot by his own men.

The second best is for his own surrender and suicide/assassination while still in Afghanistan. The third best is for him to die in a firefight with Northern Alliance soldiers.

Lastly, is the route where he is caught or killed by American soldiers, which has been the agenda from the start, but I worry that when we get what we want, finally, it's just going to beg harder questions about what to do.

In the end, I just want it verified that he has been killed, and not a body double, and that there are no viable plans amongst those creeps for his replacement.

ps. I honestly don't think it's him in that recently released video. It just didn't look enough like him, the shape of his nose and eyes. I hope I'm wrong though.

[Rob van dam]

My choice would be for george bush to get on his knees and apologise to the world for all of America's previous wrong doing's.

[The Dude]

Originally posted by cpt kangarooski:
<STRONG>(we've had a ban on cruel and unusual punishments for over two hundred years, last I heard.)</STRONG>

Yea, and don't think they're trying to get that ban lifted. And besides that, if you get picked up for being a "terrorist" and tried in a military tribunal, you're ****ed anyway. They can do ANYTHING they want with you.

[suprz]

Originally posted by Rob van dam:
<STRONG>My choice would be for george bush to get on his knees and apologise to the world for all of America's previous wrong doing's.</STRONG>

[Kaglan]

No crime warrants torture. Of this I am certain. It may even be that no crime warrants the death penalty. If a man is killed in the course of war that is one thing, but to kill a man after he has already been rendered harmless (as Osama would be if he were captured, disarmed, and imprisoned) seems superfulous at best and immoral at worst.

We have an obligation, I feel, to stop those responsible from future acts like those of the eleventh -- so far as this is possible -- but any punishment beyond incarceration we ought leave to God.

[sek929]

Originally posted by Kaglan:
<STRONG>,snip&gt; but any punishment beyond incarceration we ought leave to God.</STRONG>

Yes our mighty and poweful god will cure all the worlds wrongs, what a load of BS. (I rarley use this face but )

So your saying by setting a good example and not taking out physical agression on Osama that somehow will stop hate, death, and destruction in the world? Are you living in some sort of dream-state? If the worst we do is chuck him in jail or give him lethal injection then I would bet all my money that we haven't seen the last of the brutal attacks on America. But hey, I guess taking it up the ass is what this country is all about now, bring on the trial!

[grok420]

No matter how deserving, sitting around dreaming up sick, sadistic tortures for OBL is depraved. What a bunch of bloodthirsty apes!

It's ok to be sadistic and cruel because he did it first? Come on, people. Life in prison or even legal execution serves the purpose well enough without stooping to being butchers and savages ourselves.

[Korv]

Originally posted by Kaglan:
<STRONG>No crime warrants torture. Of this I am certain. It may even be that no crime warrants the death penalty. If a man is killed in the course of war that is one thing, but to kill a man after he has already been rendered harmless (as Osama would be if he were captured, disarmed, and imprisoned) seems superfulous at best and immoral at worst.</STRONG>

I feel fairly strongly against the death penalty. In all facets of my life I am a pacifict. However, when we were attacked that made it WAR. A civilized society does not kill killers to show that killing is wrong. War and civilized society don't mix. This is not civilized, this is outside society. It is war. (And from you post I can tell that you can see the difference.)

What makes it strange, however, is that it is war over a person. Not an idea. Not some land. Not even a religion, no matter how much some would want to turn it into that. Not even money. This war is over a person. Killing OBL is the objective. Its is the point. It is why we are fighting in Afghanistan. It is why we are fighting the Taliban. We let their fascist regime reign for a decade in Afghanistan without doing a thing. We knew they were evil, but until OBL did what he did, we had no reason to bother with Afghanistan. Our war is to kill OBL. The Taliban got in the way, so they had to be removed. Anyone else who gets in the way will be removed as well. As John McCain said "May God have mercy on them, for we will not."

Now, after OBL is dead, I think this will turn into a broader war, over other issues. But I'll spout about that when the time comes.

Right now, its our duty as member of a civilized world to kill OBL. And nothing will stand in our way. Dreaming up sick ways to kill him is not depraved. Useless, yes, dramatic, yes, even sick, but not depraved.

[Korv]

P.S. All of my friends who were in the WTC that day don't want him killed. They want to see him jailed. Where he can be beaten and raped daily for the rest of his life (they actualy go into detail about this fantasy, which I can't do here). Me? I just want him dead.

[Arty50]

They difficulty in dealing with OBL is to find a way to punish him without making him a martyr. An email made the rounds recently and, until the Taliban lost power, I think it offered the best solution.

Basically, it said we should give him a sex change operation, throw him (now her) naked on the streets of Afghanistan, and watch as s/he gets beaten to death for not being properly covered.

[otis52]

A little quote from WuTang " I'd sew his asshole shut and keep feedin him and feedin him..."

[djkimothy]

Although I don't really know my politics, his torture would be a direct violation of the Geneva convention and the American government would have an international incident on their hands. Unless the treaty does not formally recognize the US.

Either jail him or give him the gas, just be a little mature about this people.

djk

[ThisGuy]

Originally posted by Rob van dam:
<STRONG>My choice would be for george bush to get on his knees and apologise to the world for all of America's previous wrong doing's.</STRONG>

i would like for you to "apologise" to me and the rest of the world for the following:

Paul Hogan
Nicole Kidman
The Crocidile Hunter guy
Fosters Beer and their horrible television ads
An even more bastardized version of the English language than the Americans

You do not have to "apologise" for the following:

Rachael Hunter
Elle MacPherson

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[ThisGuy]

Originally posted by Korv:
<STRONG>P.S. All of my friends who were in the WTC that day don't want him killed. They want to see him jailed. Where he can be beaten and raped daily for the rest of his life (they actualy go into detail about this fantasy, which I can't do here). Me? I just want him dead.</STRONG>

the daily anal rapes could be good for a while, but somebody would kill him just like dahmer.

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[shmerek]

I still say he deserves at least one good kick in the nads and then solitary confinement for the rest of his natural life.

[Rob van dam]

I only aposlogise for the language and the bear and paul hogan. Dont even get me started on nicole kidman.

elle mcpherson (Droooooooooool)

P.s. racheal hunter is from new zealend but she's so damn fine i would like tooooooooooo..................

[shmerek]

Originally posted by ThisGuy:
<STRONG>

i would like for you to "apologise" to me and the rest of the world for the following:

Paul Hogan
Nicole Kidman
The Crocidile Hunter guy
Fosters Beer and their horrible television ads
An even more bastardized version of the English language than the Americans

You do not have to "apologise" for the following:

Rachael Hunter
Elle MacPherson

[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: ThisGuy ]</STRONG>

Steve Irwin aka crocodile hunter is awesome that guy kills me. Shez a lil rippa! You have to love a guy that names his daughter after his favorite croc and dog Bindi Sue

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[xyber233]

I'd drop him at ground zero...

[daimoni]

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[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by grok420:
<STRONG>No matter how deserving, sitting around dreaming up sick, sadistic tortures for OBL is depraved. What a bunch of bloodthirsty apes!.</STRONG>

Get your hands off me, you damn bloodthirsty apes!
--Charlton BinHeston

(sorry, this just struck me as funny)

(serious mode)

OBL is already a martyr. He got exactly what he wanted. I also doubt seriously he has even been in afghanistan since the first US airstrikes. I believe he is ....somewhere .....smoking opium and laughing. Could be Iraq (most likely) could be even indonesia.
He wasnt in afghanistan since the moment they released the predated videos which pinpointed his (then no longer) accurate location.
He may be a coward, a religious zealot or whatever, but he is not dumb. He left Taliban out to dry and skipped.

but the main point is if we execute him, we martyr him. If we imprison him, we set off a series of terrorist attacks demanding his release. Its a no-win and OBL knows it.

He wanted jihad and it will happen, unfortunately.

We marched to his tune.

[ThisGuy]

You do not have to "apologise" for the following:

Rachael Hunter
Elle MacPherson

[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: ThisGuy ][/QB]

please forgive my lack of knowledge in the supermodel homeland department. i just know that rachael hunter is droolworthy.

[chris_h]

Originally posted by Rob van dam:
<STRONG>My choice would be for george bush to get on his knees and apologise to the world for all of America's previous wrong doing's.</STRONG>

I like your style.

---------

On to the topic:

some of you people make me sick. torture him? sharks? sharp pointy objects? what are we, animals?

More than that, though, is that you're being tools... religious nuts like him would WANT to be killed... they WANT to be martyrs... the worst thing you could do to him is stick him in a jail cell. Start using your heads, people.

And if anyone else whines about 'spending tax dollars' on a trial, my head is going to explode... do you realise some of the bombs we're dropping cost upwards of a million dollars apiece?

I bet that few, if any, of you would actually do the torturing you speak of. I mean when it came down to it, if you were face to face to the guy. And if you would, well, that's even worse.

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm going to go weep for humanity.

-chris

[typoon]

Originally posted by chris_h:
<STRONG>

On to the topic:

some of you people make me sick. torture him? sharks? sharp pointy objects? what are we, animals?</STRONG>

Ah... yes Humans are animals.

It's sad that if he was killed in any of these ways he would be a martyr. He should spend the rest of his days as someones B@TCH in prison

[shmerek]

Originally posted by chris_h:

...I bet that few, if any, of you would actually do the torturing you speak of. I mean when it came down to it, if you were face to face to the guy. And if you would, well, that's even worse.

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm going to go weep for humanity.

-chris[/QB]

I would exact my "torture" on him: kicking him in the nuts and I think I would be able to sleep that night too

[ThisGuy]

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm going to go weep for humanity.

-chris

don't waste your tears.

[Euphrates]

Torturing Bin Laden might not be "humane" or "American," but it would make everyone feel a hell of a lot better.