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effgee · Nov 16, 2005, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by SSharon

... or say you need to go to the bathroom.

"I'm sorry officer - I really have to put a stick of water in the corner ... would you mind calling back in 15 minutes or so?"

SSharon · Nov 16, 2005, 02:37 PM

She wasn't up on murder charges, or even anything violent. She was accused of stealing a purse. After proving she didn't have the purse she should have ended it.
I am starting to think she really did prolong it intentionally.

TurboMac · Nov 16, 2005, 02:41 PM

Wrong thread?

Chuckit · Nov 16, 2005, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Again, I think she was playing along. She obviously doesn't seem to sad about the whole thing, and she seemed to be quite willing to do almost anything. Was she even crying?

According to articles on the topic, yes, she was crying on the tape.

Mastrap · Nov 16, 2005, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by SSharon

She wasn't up on murder charges, or even anything violent. She was accused of stealing a purse. After proving she didn't have the purse she should have ended it.
I am starting to think she really did prolong it intentionally.

Watch the video. She was beaten, raped and held against her will. She might not have been the sharpest tool in the box, but that's no excuse for what happened to her.

effgee · Nov 16, 2005, 03:00 PM

Maybe she's sharper than what we give her credit for ... we shall know once we read the press release about a "civil suit against McDonald's settled". Why else would her parents (since she's a high-school student) consent to broadcasting this preposterous story/security tape/interview - essentially whoring out their own daughter?

Mastrap · Nov 16, 2005, 03:04 PM

She's over 18, so her parents have no say in the matter.

She has two choices, collaborate with the media and get her story across or not collaborate with the media and still have the footage appear on TV. There's no protection of privacy law she can fall back on there. Footage from a surveillance camera is fair game to broadcast.

::maroma:: · Nov 16, 2005, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by effgee

Maybe she's sharper than what we give her credit for ... we shall know once we read the press release about a "civil suit against McDonald's settled". Why else would her parents (since she's a high-school student) consent to broadcasting this preposterous story/security tape/interview - essentially whoring out their own daughter?

She's 18. Her parents don't have the say so when it comes to that sort of thing. Who knows why she chose to have the story on TV and the internet, but that doesn't matter. A crime was committed against her. The perpetrators are guilty. I hope that girl becomes a millionaire from all this.

effgee · Nov 16, 2005, 03:09 PM

Duh, I didn't remember them stating she was 18 already - and I'm so not going to watch that again.

porieux · 07:19 AM

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SSharon · Nov 16, 2005, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Watch the video. She was beaten, raped and held against her will. She might not have been the sharpest tool in the box, but that's no excuse for what happened to her.

Video didn't open for me, but I imagine that she proved she didn't have the purse well before any of the physical violence started. I didn't see the video, was she hit the second she walked in?

ReggieX · Nov 16, 2005, 03:24 PM

I heard about this a few weeks (months?) ago, I think the guy making the calls has done a few. Anyone saying the girl went along with it for personal gain is a ****ing idiot, with the usual morons saying that in this thread only proves the point.

::maroma:: · Nov 16, 2005, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by SSharon

Video didn't open for me, but I imagine that she proved she didn't have the purse well before any of the physical violence started. I didn't see the video, was she hit the second she walked in?

I didn't see the video either, but the story suggests she wasn't actually struck until later in the search. After she was completely naked, she was slapped on the ass repeatedly, leaving red marks.

And I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that someone could hide a purse in some orifice and that its OK for the cops to have the person strip naked and do f*#@ing jumping jacks "just in case" something falls out is a complete f*#@ing idiot and should be executed immediately. We don't need those type of people breeding. Oh yeah, and slap her on the ass a few times too.. something might fall out!

Thorin · Nov 16, 2005, 03:30 PM

The girl should have insisted on being escorted to the police station. I certainly would have done, I'm not going to empty my pockets for my line manager, and I'm certainly not going to allow myself to be strip searched.

I think the problem was that she was asked to do simple things first (shut the door, empty your pockets) and once she'd started to go along with it, it became much harder to say no. Your manager has no right to search your person or posessions though, so they can get stuffed. I'd have demanded the police were called and came down to clear my name. Presumably she didn't have the confidence to stand up for herself and just went along with it.

It's a bizarre story though!

Thorin · Nov 16, 2005, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by ::maroma::

And I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks that someone could hide a purse in some orifice and that its OK for the cops to have the person strip naked and do f*#@ing jumping jacks "just in case" something falls out is a complete f*#@ing idiot and should be executed immediately. We don't need those type of people breeding. Oh yeah, and slap her on the ass a few times too.. something might fall out!

The guy who did that stuff, was also the guy who got her to give him a blow job. I have a sneaking suspicion he was just taking advantage of the situation - scum bag

Mastrap · Nov 16, 2005, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Thorin

The guy who did that stuff, was also the guy who got her to give him a blow job. I have a sneaking suspicion he was just taking advantage of the situation - scum bag

The 'policeman' asked him to tell her to give him a blowjob (if that makes any sense). Not that actually going along with it makes it any better.

Doofy · Nov 16, 2005, 05:09 PM

I feel violent. Still.

turtle777 · Nov 16, 2005, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Thorin

The guy who did that stuff, was also the guy who got her to give him a blow job. I have a sneaking suspicion he was just taking advantage of the situation - scum bag

No sh!t, Sherlock !

-t

::maroma:: · Nov 16, 2005, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

I feel violent. Still.

You and me both. Lets go hunting (for McDonald's employees).

moonmonkey · Nov 16, 2005, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Rev-O

False Impersonation of a Police Officer is a felony in every state.

As opposed to true impersonation of a police officer?

rambo47 · Nov 16, 2005, 07:50 PM

They're all so stupid I don't see how they can even hold a job at a fast food joint. Friggin' morons. Let's all cry for the jaskasses

Spook E · Nov 16, 2005, 08:04 PM

hang aboot:

They said one of the blokes was going to be charged with sodomy (isn't that taking her up the trademen's entrance?)

i thuoght in the video it said she was forced to preform a sexual act (which i interprit as fellatio).

Not that any of that makes much of a difference, as soon as the top layer of clothing came off that was waaaaaay out of line. Poor girl

Don't understand how she could just go along with it, she seems quite strong and composed in the video (and you would have to be to put yourself on TV like that), so where was the strength when at McDonalds? It msut have been a very heavy situation to make a person that complient

::maroma:: · Nov 16, 2005, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Spook E

hang aboot:

They said one of the blokes was going to be charged with sodomy (isn't that taking her up the trademen's entrance?)

i thuoght in the video it said she was forced to preform a sexual act (which i interprit as fellatio).

Not that any of that makes much of a difference, as soon as the top layer of clothing came off that was waaaaaay out of line. Poor girl

Don't understand how she could just go along with it, she seems quite strong and composed in the video (and you would have to be to put yourself on TV like that), so where was the strength when at McDonalds? It msut have been a very heavy situation to make a person that complient

I don't know, I interpreted the "sexual act" as sodomy. It seems to at least be somewhat in line with searching someone. I assume the caller told that guy to use something to do a cavity search, perhaps his finger.

And I would assume that the victim was very scared. Also, she obviously desperately needed that job. And with her superiors convincing her she's in trouble with the police for theft, I assume she was looking out for her job, more than her personal rights.

The whole thing is totally screwed up. I think the McDonald's manager and anyone else involved (except the victim) should be thrown in jail for a long time. The caller should be castrated and branded a sex offender for life. And the victim should get a big fat check from McDonald's.

Mastrap · Nov 16, 2005, 08:24 PM

That's right. Sodomy doesn't mean anal sex in this context, it means an anal cavity search using his finger.

ghporter · Nov 16, 2005, 08:41 PM

Turtle is right about how easily a lot of people in the U.S. can be intimidated by someone in uniform. But that crap about hanging up on a cop? Bull.

Any legitimate cop in the States is usually 100% interested in establishing his or her credentials up front and in person. There have been too many highway incidents involving posers, thieves and murderers for anyone to just take someone's word about a person being a cop. If I think someone is pushing too much, I'll ask not only for their ID but their badge number too, and I'm stubborn.

As for Mastrap's statement, it depends on the state, but a lot of states still have laws on the books that make any nonconsensual, non-intercourse act "sodomy" for legal purposes. It makes for easier convictions. However, I would think that something lesser would apply to the idiots that played along with the real criminal in this incident: the "cop" on the phone. What a tool. (A very small and disturbed one at that.)

Face Ache · Nov 16, 2005, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

That's right. Sodomy doesn't mean anal sex in this context, it means an anal cavity search using his finger.

Okay, that's the last Big Mac I order.

At first I thought "what are the chances of getting so many idiots in one room?". It's like A Perfect Idiot Storm. Then I noticed where the story came from, and it all made sense.

Kevin · Nov 16, 2005, 08:48 PM

Maybe they all got together and planned it to cash in.

Doofy · Nov 16, 2005, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Maybe they all got together and planned it to cash in.

That's run through my mind a couple of times.

But then I get back to thinking:

effgee · Nov 16, 2005, 08:55 PM

sodomy, noun; sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.

Face Ache · Nov 16, 2005, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

That's run through my mind a couple of times.

But then I get back to thinking:

I only rate it a

and a half.

Doofy · Nov 16, 2005, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Face Ache

I only rate it a

and a half.

I'm out of cornflakes though, and I just fancied a bowl.

ghporter · Nov 16, 2005, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by effgee

sodomy, noun; sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.

When has a specific, factual definition stopped legislatures from defining things the way they wanted to? Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, sodomy can be almost ANY practice that involves ANYONE's genitals and/or their excretory organs. Goofy as the day is long? Sure. But that's the way they do it.

effgee · Nov 16, 2005, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

When has a specific, factual definition stopped legislatures from defining things the way they wanted to? ...

Point taken.

Spook E · Nov 17, 2005, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

That's right. Sodomy doesn't mean anal sex in this context, it means an anal cavity search using his finger.

Based on this, how the hell was she supposed to be hiding a handbag up her arse????

SSharon · Nov 17, 2005, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by Spook E

Based on this, how the hell was she supposed to be hiding a handbag up her arse????

and this is why people think she went along on purpose. and this is why I have no problem making jokes about hanging up the phone or other wacky ideas.

moonmonkey · Nov 17, 2005, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by Face Ache

It's like A Perfect Idiot Storm. .

I like that.

Chuckit · Nov 17, 2005, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by SSharon

and this is why people think she went along on purpose.

Because a guy threatened an already frightened girl with violence and sodomized her on a ridiculous pretense, that means she "went along on purpose"? Let's hope if somebody ever roughs you up and rapes you, he offers you a ridiculous explanation (not a choice, just a ridiculous explanation) so he can claim in court that you went along with it.

SSharon · Nov 17, 2005, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Because a guy threatened an already frightened girl with violence and sodomized her on a ridiculous pretense, that means she "went along on purpose"? Let's hope if somebody ever roughs you up and rapes you, he offers you a ridiculous explanation (not a choice, just a ridiculous explanation) so he can claim in court that you went along with it.

again, the first 3 minutes are key. after that amount of time it should be clear to anyone that this is BS. this is well before the beating and other stuff at which point she had less of a choice.

Kevin · 10:59 AM

W/w

turtle777 · Nov 17, 2005, 10:25 AM

I think I oughta take a little bit of a position for the vitiom here. Before calling her dumb, stupid or even suspect ulterior motives, I think SHE IS A VICTIM. Period.
In out society, the trend is to make the victim the delinquent and vice versa.

Yes, she probably is not the brightest lightbulb in the pack, but (or because of that), I pity her.

-t

TETENAL · Nov 17, 2005, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

In out society, the trend is to make the victim the delinquent and vice versa.

It's not only in our society. Blaming the victim has a psychological function – it makes us feel save/reduces angst. You hear stuff like "It's hear fault she was raped, she dressed like a whore" for the reasoning "I don't dress like a whore so I won't be raped". For the same reason you hear nonsense like "AIDS is god's punishment for a sinful lifestyle". It reduces the angst to be affected by stuff you actually have no control over.

It's disgusting to blame the victim to conquer one's own fears, but not everybody is capable of rational behavior.

SuvsareRetarded · Nov 17, 2005, 11:10 AM

Whatever. She was a victim up to a point, but then she just turned retarded.

itistoday · Nov 17, 2005, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by SuvsareRetarded

Whatever. She was a victim up to a point, but then she just turned retarded.

Mmmmhmmm... yes... to the retarded side she went. A Victim's strength flows from the Swartz, but beware of the retarded side. Ignorance, stupidity, McDonald's; the retarded side of the Swartz are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in manager's office.

production_coordinator · Nov 17, 2005, 11:45 AM

Unless they were out in the middle of nowhere... the police should have been there in roughly 15 minutes... I could understand a general search of an employee... but anything beyond that... and the manager should have known better.

ghporter · Nov 17, 2005, 12:04 PM

The victim was victimized by the guy on the phone AND HER MANAGER AND COWORKERS. Not only did she have the authority figure of the fictional cop on the phone, but her very real manager did the real manipulation. The girl was a victim all the way through. It's the manager and coworkers whose brains checked out. And in particular, the manager should have called the police as soon as she was told to hold the girl. Don't people THINK anymore?

Doofy · Nov 17, 2005, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

Don't people THINK anymore?

Tell me what market share Windows has again? That should answer your question.

itistoday · Nov 17, 2005, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Tell me what market share Windows has again? That should answer your question.

Oh, oh that was slick. Did everyone see that? How he turned the conversation to Microsoft bashing while appearing to stay on topic? Oh, you're good, yes, you're very good.

[/Family Guy sarcasm]

Chuckit · Nov 17, 2005, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by SSharon

again, the first 3 minutes are key. after that amount of time it should be clear to anyone that this is BS. this is well before the beating and other stuff at which point she had less of a choice.

I'm sure the girl knew it was BS from the beginning — she didn't steal any purse. But being young and easily frightened doesn't equal consent to rape.

dialo · Nov 17, 2005, 02:43 PM

She was a scared kid. They were in a position of authority and it was their responsibiltiy to not be such complete imbeciles to the point of abusing this poor girl. After all, we don't expect much from 20+yo mcdonalds workers (much less 30 or 40+yo ones), but at the very least they shouldn't be so stupid that they do this. Moral of the story: don't let your teenagers work where their authority figures are among the stupidest people on earth.

osxpinot · Nov 17, 2005, 06:17 PM

Where are the cynics?

Seriously, she isn't stupid. Do you know how much money is going to come out of this for her? She did it so she could sue MD. If you were somebody working minimum wage at MD and you could sue them for a ton of money, which would you choose? What she went through is well worth the money she'll be receiving.