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Powerbook · Feb 20, 2005, 09:34 AM

+ Expos�
+ security features, VPN etc.
+ NTFS volume mounting
+ fast shutdown

- sh!tty column view, arrrrgh!
- WebObjects partly broken (Thanks, Apple)
- X.3 GUI would be faster without brushed frames, but every single window has to be changed
- Classic behaves SLOWER (maybe starts faster, but don't know)
- slow startup (? to be examined? Fonts?)

Hmmm... Since I use quite a bunch Classic apps and games I wonder if that was the best thing to to... still cleaning up after a dozen X.3 updates...

PB.

Randman · Feb 20, 2005, 10:03 AM

Gee, when are you going to move to Tiger?

Fonts can get corrupted quite easily.

As far as column view, you don't have to use it.

Powerbook · Feb 20, 2005, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Randman:
Gee, when are you going to move to Tiger?

Fonts can get corrupted quite easily.

As far as column view, you don't have to use it.

-> When it's save! :-) No, probably not without the next hardware buy.

-> within 1 hour after installation? And I'm not sure, if the slow startup is fonts related, the machine is just loading and loading and... not displaying _what_.

-> Can I switch it off GLOBALLY??? So far I've changed every (new) window manually (gah).

PB.

analogika · Feb 20, 2005, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Powerbook:
-> When it's save! :-) No, probably not without the next hardware buy.

-> within 1 hour after installation? And I'm not sure, if the slow startup is fonts related, the machine is just loading and loading and... not displaying _what_.

Font management in Panther is crap.

At least it exists, though, which is better than Jaguar.

Supposedly Tiger will finally ship with fairly mature font management.

chabig · 02:34 PM

Column view in Panther is the same as column view in Jaguar. What is there to complain about?

Chris

P.S. Thanks for Nexus5 for pointing out my Jaguar/Tiger error.

Nexus5 · Feb 20, 2005, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by chabig:
Column view in Panther is the same as column view in Tiger. What is there to complain about?

Chris

.. the same as in Jaguar, is that what you want to say?

nexus5.

Randman · Feb 20, 2005, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by analogika:
Supposedly Tiger will finally ship with fairly mature font management.

We can only hope/pray that that is so.

Big Mac · Feb 21, 2005, 08:40 AM

Panther was most definitely a significant upgrade from Jaguar. I concur, AFAIK, there is no difference between column view in Jaguar and Panther. And concerning font management, I imagine Apple historically held that those who needed font management would buy a font manager. Now that the company has decided to have a built-in manager, we have to expect it will take awhile for it to mature. Or Apple could buy and relabel an existing manager.

christor · Feb 21, 2005, 09:40 AM

The difference between column view in Panther and Jaguar - or at least a difference - is that in panther the set of columns you browse is "bounded above" by the directory you've picked. That is, if you choose your home directory from the sidebar or begin with it in a Finder window by some other means, you get a set of columns beginning with your home directory, and it is not possible (or at least not obvious how) to browse up the hierarchy - say to /Users or /. In Jaguar, no matter where you begin browsing you could scroll left all the way to the root directory. I found this to be quite useful. Of course, in panther you can always pick your startup drive from the sidebar, and the whole hierarchy will be browsable. But that's not quite as convenient when you've started browsing somewhere and then realize you need to get something that's up one or two levels. Minor quibble, and I've mostly gotten used to it.

Big Mac · Feb 21, 2005, 10:50 AM

Yeah, it's not graphically intuitive, but I am sure you know that if you need to traverse the hierarchy in reverse (from ~/ to Users, for example) press command+up arrow (Go: Enclosing Folder).

wadesworld · Feb 21, 2005, 10:54 AM

You also can add the path menu to the Finder toolbar and use that to navigate up.

Wade

analogika · Feb 21, 2005, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by christor:
The difference between column view in Panther and Jaguar - or at least a difference - is that in panther the set of columns you browse is "bounded above" by the directory you've picked. That is, if you choose your home directory from the sidebar or begin with it in a Finder window by some other means, you get a set of columns beginning with your home directory, and it is not possible (or at least not obvious how) to browse up the hierarchy - say to /Users or /.

Apple-Up arrow or cmd-click in the window's title.

Not obvious, but quite possible.

Less confusing the new way, IMO.

leperkuhn · Feb 21, 2005, 04:23 PM

I wish it showed the path without having to click anything. As a web developer, i'm always in a folder called "public_html", or "pix" or something like that. Be nice to see where I am.

hadocon · Feb 22, 2005, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by chabig:
Column view in Panther is the same as column view in Jaguar. What is there to complain about?

Chris

P.S. Thanks for Nexus5 for pointing out my Jaguar/Tiger error.

No, it is not. In Jag, resizing a column automatically resized the other columns, now you have to resize each column individually in Panther.

Chuckit · Feb 22, 2005, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by leperkuhn:
I wish it showed the path without having to click anything. As a web developer, i'm always in a folder called "public_html", or "pix" or something like that. Be nice to see where I am.

You might consider Path Finder a worthy investment.

Love Calm Quiet · Feb 22, 2005, 04:35 PM

It works better *for me* to have columns resize individually. Besides, if you resize while holding down OPTION key... they resize together. Does that help?

:haripu: · Feb 22, 2005, 05:03 PM

@ Powerbook:

I am glad that you shared your insights with us. But isn't it a bit late? That's not really the big blockbuster thread title when Tiger is about to be released within the next few months. Better luck next time.

analogika · Feb 22, 2005, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by hadocon:
No, it is not. In Jag, resizing a column automatically resized the other columns, now you have to resize each column individually in Panther.

IIRC, opt.-dragging resized only one column.

They just switched the default (non-option) behavior in Panther

gperks · Feb 22, 2005, 07:07 PM

FWIW, you can also double-click on the column resizing icon to have it resize to fit the text.

- - e r i k - - · Feb 22, 2005, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by gperks:
FWIW, you can also double-click on the column resizing icon to have it resize to fit the text.

Which is a fantastic new improvement.

I don't know how we lived without the sidebar either.

Powerbook · Feb 23, 2005, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by :haripu::
@ Powerbook:

I am glad that you shared your insights with us. But isn't it a bit late? That's not really the big blockbuster thread title when Tiger is about to be released within the next few months. Better luck next time.

I don't care if that's a blockbuster or whatever. For me Panther is new, so I tried to see if more experienced Panther users see things similarily or not. And even if Tiger is released next I bet you could tell how many million users will stay on Panther/Jaguar? There are people out there not running histerically for the latest "poop" of Apple, Inc.

PB.

Powerbook · Feb 23, 2005, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by chabig:
Column view in Panther is the same as column view in Jaguar. What is there to complain about?

Chris

P.S. Thanks for Nexus5 for pointing out my Jaguar/Tiger error.

That not every goddamn new window is opened in column mode! And that Jaguar seemed to remember my window settings! I have to re-set my windows in Panther very often! :-/

PB.

leperkuhn · Feb 23, 2005, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Powerbook:
That not every goddamn new window is opened in column mode! And that Jaguar seemed to remember my window settings! I have to re-set my windows in Panther very often! :-/

PB.

Finder->Preferences. Uncheck "always open new windows in column view"

DeathMan · Feb 23, 2005, 12:42 PM

what a b*tchy thread.

analogika · Feb 23, 2005, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by leperkuhn:
Finder->Preferences. Uncheck "always open new windows in column view"

You've got it backwards.

you can check that box all you want, and it STILL won't open every new window in column mode.

:haripu: · Feb 23, 2005, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by Powerbook:
I don't care if that's a blockbuster or whatever. For me Panther is new, so I tried to see if more experienced Panther users see things similarily or not. And even if Tiger is released next I bet you could tell how many million users will stay on Panther/Jaguar? There are people out there not running histerically for the latest "poop" of Apple, Inc.

PB.

sorry for that comment yesterday. I was drunk and generally pissed off, if that is much of an excuse.

But as a Panther user since the beginning I can tell you'll get a lot more comfortable with the system soon enough. I found it in every respect better and speedier than Jaguar.