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I have an interview on thursday, need some help, totally lied. (Page 4)
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You’re griping over a job due to a 30 minute commute? I drive close to an hour each way in Los Angeles freeway traffic 5 days a week for my teaching job.
It’s ether a) he doesn’t want to show he cares for the job and drive; or b) doesn’t want to get outed somehow about his lying on the résumé
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Valuing your time enough that you don't want to waste a decent portion of you life each week commuting is quite sane.
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When my dad lived in Washington, he had an hour to drive (each way) and then three hours to fly to get to work. Suck it up.
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Why should anyone care what your Dad did?
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Because if my Dad has patience for it, everyone should.
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The payoff, dakar, should be worth the time spent driving, if not; then get another job; or find, if possible, a place closer to the work. Life, for a normal person, is all about sacrifices.
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Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²
The payoff, dakar, should be worth the time spent driving, if not; then get another job; or find, if possible, a place closer to the work. Life, for a normal person, is all about sacrifices.
My point exactly. If he's rather get a lesser job closer to home, who gives a shit. That's a sacrifice as well.
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I sit on the bus for 40 minutes a day, and my city is sub-100k.
30 minute drive isn't bad.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
My point exactly. If he's rather get a lesser job closer to home, who gives a shit. That's a sacrifice as well.
I’m sure Rob would “give a sht” because he’s in a lesser job, then the one he could of had if he decided to say screw it to the 30 minute drive, and say I’ll do it. Oh dear! he has to deal with possible manual, SUV and hummer drivers. OH THE HORROR. If he doesn’t want to do the drive, then he never cared for the job that he lied on his resume about in the first place.
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Or he could suck it up, get a car with an automatic transmission, and make the drive. Maybe he'll discover the virtues of the slushbox...
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The longer the drive to work, the more exciting it is with a manual...
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Originally Posted by imitchellg5
The longer the drive to work, the more exciting it is with a manual...
Maybe where you live. Where I live, errr....not so much. Not when you rarely get out of 2nd gear. Did it for 15 years, and my left foot got tired. LOVE my slushbox!
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Well, til then I'm freelancing at a design consultancy that I really enjoy. Lots of product design from all sorts of different places, great people, and about $300 a day.
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Originally Posted by ghporter
$300/day ain't shabby.
Eh...count me underwhelmed.
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Originally Posted by imitchellg5
Because if my Dad has patience for it, everyone should.
Assuming you're not exaggerating, your father wasting a third of a day commuting is not to be admired, its to be pitied.
Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²
I’m sure Rob would “give a sht” because he’s in a lesser job, then the one he could of had if he decided to say screw it to the 30 minute drive, and say I’ll do it. Oh dear! he has to deal with possible manual, SUV and hummer drivers. OH THE HORROR. If he doesn’t want to do the drive, then he never cared for the job that he lied on his resume about in the first place.
The quality of the job has to scale to the commute. Now reply and repeat yourself a third time.
Originally Posted by imitchellg5
The longer the drive to work, the more exciting it is with a manual...
Yeah, a manual is so much fun in stop or go traffic or holding that constant 70 - 80 MPH on a highway. I'm getting an adrenaline rush just thinking about it.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
The main problem (if Rob could get the job) would be getting past the fact that almost no financial institution in Europe will now touch Americans (this is a direct result of the IRS fishing expeditions of late - see Swiss UBS scandal for example). Mate of mine needed a French bridging loan recently and the form was basically full of "you're not American, are you?", "your wife isn't American either, is she?", "your employer's not American, are they?"... ...it wasn't far off "you've never spoken to or befriended an American, have you?". I ain't kidding.
And no bank account equals no apartment rental.
This is anecdotal or just plain false. If you are a legal resident ( and have either a salaried position or a bunch of money) you can get a bank account, a loan or whatever. I know Americans in France who do just this. I myself still have a French bank account, despite being all American and stuff. A collegue of mine is American, and just bought a flat outside of Paris with the help of a loan from a French bank.
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Originally Posted by paul w
This is anecdotal or just plain false. If you are a legal resident ( and have either a salaried position or a bunch of money) you can get a bank account, a loan or whatever. I know Americans in France who do just this. I myself still have a French bank account, despite being all American and stuff. A collegue of mine is American, and just bought a flat outside of Paris with the help of a loan from a French bank.
You can do it if you're already established in the country. Becoming established is where it bites you. I'm guessing that all of said Americans you know have been there for some time?
Oh, and the being kicked isn't hitting France just yet because France doesn't have banking secrecy. Which Austria does, and since Rob is on about Austria and all...
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American Citizen Services - Establishing Residence in Austria
Employment by non-Austrians is generally discouraged and no one other than an Austrian national may accept a position here without first obtaining a work permit. Work permits are difficult to obtain and are usually granted only to persons qualified to fill posts in specialized fields for which Austrian nationals or other EU-nationals are not available.
Forget about Vienna, Rob. You've got no chance.
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I have no idea how it works in Austria, but in the United States that language means that a lot of the time you can manage to hire foreigners because it's easy to argue, in creative fields, that the person you are trying to hire is a unique snowflake.
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Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey
I have no idea how it works in Austria, but in the United States that language means that a lot of the time you can manage to hire foreigners because it's easy to argue, in creative fields, that the person you are trying to hire is a unique snowflake.
Don't forget that foreign language skills in Europe are much better than in the US.
Most Europeans speaks some English, many are really good at it. So knowledge of English language is much less a reason to hire a foreigner in Europe than (as an example) German skills needed in the US.
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Originally Posted by turtle777
Don't forget that foreign language skills in Europe are much better than in the US.
Most Europeans speaks some English, many are really good at it. So knowledge of English language is much less a reason to hire a foreigner in Europe than (as an example) German skills needed in the US.
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I meant "that language" that Doofy quoted, not language skills as justification for hiring someone.
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Originally Posted by turtle777
Don't forget that foreign language skills in Europe are much better than in the US.
Most Europeans speaks some English, many are really good at it. So knowledge of English language is much less a reason to hire a foreigner in Europe than (as an example) German skills needed in the US.
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Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey
I have no idea how it works in Austria, but in the United States that language means that a lot of the time you can manage to hire foreigners because it's easy to argue, in creative fields, that the person you are trying to hire is a unique snowflake.
Unless Rob is coming out with severely unique ideas and work, they'd have to prove that nobody in the EU has the combination of factors which would allow them to take the job. Usually requires that the employer advertise the job in the EU for six months before considering "foreigners".
Interestingly, it's the same with music venues in the US. Unless it's a major unique act, a venue has to prove that it can't find a US artiste to fill the slot before letting a foreign act play it. Quite a few mid-range British bands have fallen foul of this policy in the past.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
Interestingly, it's the same with music venues in the US. Unless it's a major unique act, a venue has to prove that it can't find a US artiste to fill the slot before letting a foreign act play it. Quite a few mid-range British bands have fallen foul of this policy in the past.
Are you sure it isn't just because your bands are horrible? Maybe they are just trying to let you down easy and blame the system so they won't have to hurt your feelings.
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Are you sure it isn't just because your bands are horrible?
Yes, I'm sure.
Have a /slap.
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Originally Posted by Laminar
Originally Posted by turtle777
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Originally Posted by Doofy
Interestingly, it's the same with music venues in the US. Unless it's a major unique act, a venue has to prove that it can't find a US artiste to fill the slot before letting a foreign act play it. Quite a few mid-range British bands have fallen foul of this policy in the past.
seriously? That's insane.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
You can do it if you're already established in the country. Becoming established is where it bites you. I'm guessing that all of said Americans you know have been there for some time?
No, not necessarily. I myself was not "established" in France when I obtained said visa, bank account, etc. Things have changed a bit, but believe me there are plenty of Americans doing all sorts of banking, residing, working all over Europe.
And I can't comment on Austria, but I'd listen to what the employer has to say on the matter, not someone spouting negative hearsay on an internet forum.
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seriously? That's insane.
Yep. Going back to the late 80s, IIRC. You're OK once you've got a few albums under your belt but no chance before that.
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Originally Posted by paul w
No, not necessarily. I myself was not "established" in France when I obtained said visa, bank account, etc.
And this was in the last year? No. Thought not.
Originally Posted by paul w
Things have changed a bit, but believe me there are plenty of Americans doing all sorts of banking, residing, working all over Europe.
Things are changing rapidly as a result of OECD-driven tax information sharing treaties and the EU locking its borders down since Lisbon and the credit crunch. Yes, there's plenty of Americans already working and living in Europe, but the possibility of newbs moving to Europe is diminishing.
Originally Posted by paul w
And I can't comment on Austria, but I'd listen to what the employer has to say on the matter, not someone spouting negative hearsay on an internet forum.
Yep. Don't believe anything negative which anyone on any Internet forum tells you.
I mean, what? You think I'm making this stuff up off the top of my head?
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I never accused you of making anything up. I've heard the same thing* in France and other countries years ago, so it's nothing new, and depends how rigorously it's implemented. You are correct in that immigration in Europe is becoming more difficult. My experience is that things aren't as cut and dry (and simplified) as you state.
*only to persons qualified to fill posts in specialized fields for which Austrian nationals or other EU-nationals are not available.
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Originally Posted by paul w
My experience is that things aren't as cut and dry (and simplified) as you state.
They never are. But I'm not going to go into every variable on an Internet forum.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
Assuming you're not exaggerating, your father wasting a third of a day commuting is not to be admired, its to be pitied.
Did I say otherwise?
You're acting like a grumpy pensioner these days.
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Did I say otherwise?
You implied that it was a great act.
If you want me to know what you mean, be a little more clear, son.
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The point I was trying to make is that 30 minutes isn't a terribly long distance to drive to get to work... lots of people commute at least that far.
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Citing something as "lots of people do it" probably isn't the best way to win over downinflames, adversary of the masses.
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For the record, my commute is 45 minutes, even though it's greased with pork fat (and this week, ice).
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
Citing something as "lots of people do it" probably isn't the best way to win over downinflames, adversary of the masses.
Well, lots of people "do it," and he still does.
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Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²
I’m sure Rob would “give a sht” because he’s in a lesser job, then the one he could of had if he decided to say screw it to the 30 minute drive, and say I’ll do it. Oh dear! he has to deal with possible manual, SUV and hummer drivers. OH THE HORROR. If he doesn’t want to do the drive, then he never cared for the job that he lied on his resume about in the first place.
I never lied on my resume. I just lied that I was totally familiar with some equipment I only used a few times, and never set up. Sorry for the confusion, I probably didn't explain it right.
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Eh...count me underwhelmed.
Yeah, I'm sure pay like that is very common in.... Iowa?
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Doof: Appreciate your input most of the time, but your experience doesn't really apply in this case. Design world is small. People get around, if they are good.
Also, are you saying I'm not unique?!? I'm in shock.
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Guy can't stand a 30 minute commute ??
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Guy can't stand a 30 minute commute ??
Speaks volumes about his beloved Audi.
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Yeah, I'm sure pay like that is very common in.... Iowa?
Remind me again how this is relevant to the conversation. Also, $300/day after taxes, health insurance, retirement, SS, etc. is NOT very much. Not too far off the median income in Iowa, since that figure appears to matter to you for some reason.
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$300/day ain't shabby.
Originally Posted by Laminar
Eh...count me underwhelmed.
I didn't say it was going to get you into Fortune 500's billionaires club, but it can pay modest bills and allow for some savings too. My son has been getting by on that much A WEEK.
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At 252 business days in a calendar year, $300 a day comes out to over $75,000 in annual pre-tax income.
I'd say that's pretty damn good, especially if you're not supporting anyone else on your income.
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