[abe]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

The poll seems to be giving the OP the finger.

Now why would you say something intentionally provocative like that? You know that I would put a pretty sound pounding on your feelings if I chose to. Methinks you like being thrashed. Or you want to provoke me so that I might get myself banned.

The question mark here is whether I will be given the freedom to defend myself without penalty or if Demonhood will protect me from attacks.

It remains to be seen, I guess.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by abe 

The question mark here is whether I will be given the freedom to defend myself without penalty or if Demonhood will protect me from attacks.

-t

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Ahhh, nevermind.

I guess the quoting function farked up. My original post is fixed now.

-t

Oh, ok. I thought you did that on purpose.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by abe 

Now why would you say something intentionally provocative like that? You know that I would put a pretty sound pounding on your feelings if I chose to. Methinks you like being thrashed. Or you want to provoke me so that I might get myself banned.

The question mark here is whether I will be given the freedom to defend myself without penalty or if Demonhood will protect me from attacks.

It remains to be seen, I guess.

I was thinking cock and balls originally, but I don't know anyone other than me with four in-line balls.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

So it accurately reflects the feelings of most of the members too?

Are you saying that you believe most of the membership is like that other poster?

That they all enjoy squabbling with me...as he does?

Or that they are all so petty and childish that after an absence of many months there are some who would hold a grudge and begin a 'war' with me with no legal justification...as he does?

[Laminar]

I can't figure out of you're being serious or not.

[Dakarʒ]

Calm down drama queen, outside of asking you if you were trying to start something in another thread a few weeks ago I haven't said two words to you.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

I can't figure out of you're being serious or not.

It's not too late to back away from the edge, you know.

No one will think any less of you.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

Calm down drama queen, outside of asking you if you were trying to start something in another thread a few weeks ago I haven't said two words to you.

Then we'll consider this Strike One.

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

The poll seems to be giving the OP the finger.

[Dakarʒ]

Which part of that is addressed to you?

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by abe 

It's not too late to back away from the edge, you know.

No one will think any less of you.

What edge? I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Jawbone54]

After I voted, I realized that this had something to do with KIA being related to "killed in action" instead of KIA being related to "cheap, crappy cars."

I wish I could change my vote. This is stupid.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

What edge? I have no idea what you're talking about.

I realize I may have interpreted a couple of very ambiguously worded posts in this thread the wrong way and so I am glad I didn't respond to a few of them any more aggressively than I did.

But I must tell you (if you didn't know) I have a hair trigger and in the past when I believed I was being attacked I have often retaliated first and found out the facts later. So, I will try to watch myself in the future but it would also help if you took into account the limitations of this medium in accurately conveying the true meaning behind your messages. There could have been a mistake that would have served no one well simply because there was an error in transmission as well as an error in reception of your message.

I'm not out to pick fights but if someone picks with me I will respond with zeal.

Thanks.

Back to the thread topic.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

Which part of that is addressed to you?

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

The poll seems to be giving the OP the finger.

What are the definitions of OP?

[Mithras]

You down with OPP?

[abe]

Originally Posted by Mithras 

You down with OPP?

No, homey don't play that any more. And homey don't respect anyone who encourages it.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by abe 

What are the definitions of OP?

Original Poster...you. Yes, I was making the joke that everyone here would give you the middle finger. It was a joke. But there's some truth to every joke, right?

Originally Posted by Mithras 

You down with OPP?

Yeah you know me.

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by design219 

How about a productive comment instead of an insult.

I think your are expecting too much from this lot.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Original Poster...you. Yes, I was making the joke that everyone here would give you the middle finger. It was a joke. But there's some truth to every joke, right?

Ok. Here's a puzzle for you. Figure out what is the truth and what is the joke in this picture.

[abe]

Originally Posted by aristotles 

I think your are expecting too much from this lot.

Wow! And from a CANADIAN!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Oisín 

And, for the OP, the name of the car is not KIA, but Kia, which immediately excludes any confusion between the military acronym and the car brand.

But ALL their branding says KIA. The Dealership signs, the car labels,

Not that I think of Killed in Action when I think of KIA.

I think more of Le Car.

Originally Posted by Laminar 

So it accurately reflects the feelings of most of the members too?

That says more about the members it represents than the OP....

 

If abe starts a thread about how smooth and rounded a wooden ball is, it's very likely the thread has little to do with such a thing. Don't take every OP of his for face value.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

Calm down drama queen, outside of asking you if you were trying to start something in another thread a few weeks ago I haven't said two words to you.

He's not the one being a drama queen, and you guys aren't getting it.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

He's not the one being a drama queen, and you guys aren't getting it.

I'm not here to bust any balls.

Kevin, we can't expect them to immediately gain 20/20 vision if they've gotten used to getting around with guide dogs all their lives.

[Oisín]

But ALL their branding says KIA. The Dealership signs, the car labels

The logo says KIA in capitals. Whenever you see the name mentioned in text, though (as on their website or in brochures and ads), it’s invariably written as Kia.

[Kevin]

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by abe 

What are the definitions of OP?

If I mention Barry Bonds in a post, does that mean I'm addressing him?

[Kevin]

[abe]

[abe]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

If I mention Barry Bonds in a post, does that mean I'm addressing him?

No, it's actually your attempt to mess with my head. One word about Bonds and I'll take it personally!
j/k

[abe]

Originally Posted by Oisín 

The logo says KIA in capitals. Whenever you see the name mentioned in text, though (as on their website or in brochures and ads), it’s invariably written as Kia.

When it takes someone with your qualifications to have to explain the difference to me I'd say the KIA Motors people have already lost the PR war.

[design219]

Originally Posted by abe 

I'd say the KIA Motors people have already lost the PR war.

This is the first time I've ever heard of taking offense at the name. I think this poll on a national level would not even register negative as high as this one, which is low.

I don't think this is a PR issue for the company.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by abe 

Does the KIA car brand name bother you?

Not in the least, as usual it seems you have to much time on your hands.

When a soldier is killed in action you say (phonetically) he was Kay Eye Aye.

As opposed to Keeya. The thought of boycotting this car company for that reason alone makes me laugh.

I'd also rather buy a Hyundai but my old mechanic had a Kia and he never had any problems with it...not to mention it was 9000 bucks brand new. if you're not concerned about resale value*, since these cars have none, buying a Kia isn't a bad move at all.



*and power, but the MPG is great.

[abe]

Originally Posted by design219 

This is the first time I've ever heard of taking offense at the name. I think this poll on a national level would not even register negative as high as this one, which is low.

I don't think this is a PR issue for the company.

But it is at least as compelling as the Apple Store being down.

Can I get an Amen?

[design219]

Originally Posted by abe 

But it is at least as compelling as the Apple Store being down.

Sure, I'm not saying it isn't an interesting discussion, it actually is. It's something I had never considered it at all, and that is always worthy of discussion.

Just my opinion, but I don't think it is a PR issue for Kia. I think sek929 nailed it with the pronunciation. I believe a vastly majority of Americans would recognize the name long before they would recognize the logo. And "K.I.A." is not something I've ever heard, it's "Killed in Action" (just one more syllable), to most of us civilians at least.

Is this something that is discussed among military people?

[abe]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Not in the least, as usual it seems you have to much time on your hands.

When a soldier is killed in action you say (phonetically) he was Kay Eye Aye.

As opposed to Keeya. The thought of boycotting this car company for that reason alone makes me laugh.

I'd also rather buy a Hyundai but my old mechanic had a Kia and he never had any problems with it...not to mention it was 9000 bucks brand new. if you're not concerned about resale value*, since these cars have none, buying a Kia isn't a bad move at all.

*and power, but the MPG is great.

I'm enjoying our latest chapter of peaceful interaction so much that I'm less inclined to vigorously reply to the 'time on my hands' quip.

But I will say this, in the time it takes some folks to figure out the difference between their...



and a...



I can have thought about how KIA is a name that might lose Kia Motors approximately 10 - 20% of their potential sales.

It might help to know that Datsun was once the name of a thriving automobile manufacturer. And out of the blue they spent millions and millions to change the name of the car company to Nissan.

Returning to Aaker, here are the 2 substantive paragraphs on page 57 where he presents reasons behind the Datsun to Nissan name change.

“The decision to change the name Datsun to Nissan in the U.S. was announced in the fall of 1981. The rationale was that the name change would help the pursuit of a global strategy. A single name worldwide would increase the possibility that advertising campaigns, brochures, and promotional materials could be used across countries and simplify product design and manufacturing. Further, potential buyers would be exposed to the name and product when traveling to other countries.”

“Industry observers, however, speculated that the most important motivation was that a name change would help Nissan market stocks and bonds in the U.S. They also presumed substantial ego involvement, since the absence of the Nissan name in the U.S. surely rankled Nissan executives who had seen Toyota and Honda become household words.”

Z History ~ Datsun to Nissan

Originally Posted by design219 

Sure, I'm not saying it isn't an interesting discussion, it actually is. It's something I had never considered it at all, and that is always worthy of discussion.

Just my opinion, but I don't think it is a PR issue for Kia. I think sek929 nailed it with the pronunciation. I believe a vastly majority of Americans would recognize the name long before they would recognize the logo. And "K.I.A." is not something I've ever heard, it's "Killed in Action" (just one more syllable), to most of us civilians at least.

Is this something that is discussed among military people?

It's as recognizable and commonplace as if someone said OSX here. And of course you all know that there's an airport designated OSX, right?

OSX is the IATA code for Kosciusko-Attala County Airport – Kosciusko, Mississippi, United States.

If Kia wants to lose potential sales (ESPECIALLY in the demographic most apt to buy their cars, the less than affluent military segment of the population and those who do eat, drink, sleep and live in a 'RED STATE' world who have lost friends and relatives in wars since Vietnam) then they shouldn't change a thing. But look at the results of our little poll and all you business experts out there tell me how smart is it to ignore the loss of 15% of your potential business.

[sek929]

15%? Where do you get these numbers? What are you talking about when you say Red States? Plenty of KIAs sold in this blue state.

Once again you've managed to turn a simplistic coincidence into a rousing speculation-fest.

[abe]

Originally Posted by sek929 

15%? Where do you get these numbers?

I can make up stats too, 90% of your threads are ridiculous!

Also, plenty of people buy KIAs here in this blue state. Once again I have no idea where you get this stuff.

Please restrain your passions.

I took our poll results, adjusted them for MacNN's heavy liberal membership and, voila.

Plenty of people do buy them. But how many will not buy Kia's simply due to their ill-chosen name?

[sek929]

Considering that the NN is such a tiny sample population AND one of the negative responses is from you I wouldn't put to much faith in the 15% mark.

I also changed my post to reflect a less bastard side of me, although my 90% thing was in jest.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by sek929 

I also changed my post to reflect a less bastard side of me, although my 90% thing was in jest.

I thought it was an underestimation.

[sek929]

Truth in every jest, you said it earlier in this thread my friend.

[abe]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Considering that the NN is such a tiny sample population AND one of the negative responses is from you I wouldn't put to much faith in the 15% mark.

I also changed my post to reflect a less bastard side of me, although my 90% thing was in jest.

Your skepticism is noted. However, until anyone comes up with data which convincingly dispels my scientific conclusion ( ) the 15% figure is the benchmark we all must agree to.

You can be a lovely guy when you want to be.

[design219]

Originally Posted by abe 

adjusted them for MacNN's heavy liberal membership and, voila.

Man, this is getting weird now.

[abe]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

I thought it was an underestimation.

Maybe you shouldn't.

[sek929]

Abe has a severe condition that encourages him to post his political leanings in the lounge...luckily I think Merck is working on a pill that would direct his attention to the P/L.

It's called "Directyourzealotryelsewhere"

[abe]

Originally Posted by design219 

Man, this is getting weird now.

I know. But there's nothing more I can do about it than make you aware of the fact.

[abe]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Abe has a severe condition that encourages him to post his political leanings in the lounge...luckily I think Merck is working on a pill that would direct his attention to the P/L.

It's called "Directyourzealotryelsewhere"

More pork rinds are sold and consumed in Red States than Blue States I guess you don't think there's any political connection there?

The fact that you don't believe it matters little.

Some things are true whether you believe them or not.

City of Angels - 1998

[sek929]

Red States contain a larger population than the blue states?

The problem with this topic (and most of yours) is that you come into a discussion already claiming victory. Why should we participate in a meaningful debate when you already know you're right?

The fact you quote a crappy Nick Cage movie only confuses me further.

[ThinkInsane]

Seriously Abe, is this whole thing a joke? I've never heard anyone, military or otherwise, make this comparison between the name Kia and the acronym for Killed in Action. I seriously doubt this has effected their sales in anyway. You're gonna have to work to prove your 15% theory. Care to cite some sources for that number?

While we're on the subject; should I no longer get the awesome chicken and broccoli garlic pie at Mama Mia's Pizza down the street? I mean, you could say they are offending the memory of those that shall not be forgotten by having "mia" in the name of their business, and that is along the same ridiculous lines as the Kia thing, isn't it?

And I'm pretty sure you've been told about the "liberal" digs being made outside of the political lounge, so give that tired garbage a rest, please and thank you.

[Oisín]

Originally Posted by abe 

When it takes someone with your qualifications to have to explain the difference to me I'd say the KIA Motors people have already lost the PR war.

I have qualifications?

[abe]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Red States contain a larger population than the blue states?

The problem with this topic (and most of yours) is that you come into a discussion already claiming victory. Why should we participate in a meaningful debate when you already know you're right?

The fact you quote a crappy Nick Cage movie only confuses me further.

That is as ridiculous a rationale as could be for not participating in a discussion. When people debate are you saying both should be clueless?

Just because I'm not doesn't mean you shouldn't participate, it means you should get your ducks in a row and help me change my mind if you can.