[Y3a]

From the Drudge Report...

The Liberals have NO CLASS, and seem to take every opportunity in front of the media cameras to display the lack of class. Carter is the LAST person to listen to as far as Mid-East issues. The Rev. Joseph Lowery is also a typical grandstanding no-class type, making Coretta Scott King funeral NOT ABOUT HER - which it should have been - but Political crap from the left. Disgusting.


KING FUNERAL TURNS POLITICAL: BUSH BASHED BY FORMER PRESIDENT, REVEREND
Tue Feb 07 2006 15:49:48 ET

Today's memorial service for civil rights activist Coretta Scott King -- billed as a "celebration" of her life -- turned suddenly political as one former president took a swipe at the current president, who was also lashed by an outspoken black pastor!

The outspoken Rev. Joseph Lowery, co-founder of Southern Christian Leadership Conference, ripped into President Bush during his short speech, ostensibly about the wife of Martin Luther King Jr.

"She extended Martin's message against poverty, racism and war. She deplored the terror inflicted by our smart bombs on missions way afar. We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there," Lowery said.

The mostly black crowd applauded, then rose to its feet and cheered in a two-minute-long standing ovation.

A closed-circuit television in the mega-church outside Atlanta showed the president smiling uncomfortably.

"But Coretta knew, and we know," Lowery continued, "That there are weapons of misdirection right down here," he said, nodding his head toward the row of presidents past and present. "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor!" The crowd again cheered wildly.

Former President Jimmy Carter later swung at Bush as well, not once but twice. As he talked about the Kings, he said: "It was difficult for them then personally with the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps." The crowd cheered as Bush, under fire for a secret wiretapping program he ordered after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, again smiled weakly.

Later, Carter said Hurricane Katrina showed that all are not yet equal in America.

"This commerative cermony this morning, this afternoon, is not only to acknowledge the great contributions of Coretta and Martin, but to remind us that the struggle for equal rights is not over. We only have to recall the color of the faces of those in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi," Carter said, the rest of his sentence drowned out by loud applause. "Those who were most devastated by [Hurricane] Katrina know that there are not yet equal opportunities for all Americans. It is our responsibility to continue their crusade."

Developing...

[aberdeenwriter]

They learned to "tone it down" after the Paul Wellstone funeral debacle a couple years ago.


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[SpaceMonkey]

Interestingly, the broadcast news reports that I saw about the funeral made no mention of these incendiary remarks. So much for the "liberal media."

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Interestingly, the broadcast news reports that I saw about the funeral made no mention of these incendiary remarks. So much for the "liberal media."

Because if they did, they would have had to paint it into a negative light. Meaning, make those who are acting bad, look bad.

BTW

"We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there,"

No, we don't know EITHER WAY. There is NO PROOF either way that claims otherwise.

Such statements are dishonest.

[BlueSky]

No doubt Georgie's response was/would be :"Ya see, that's what makes living in America so great...folks have the freedom to speak their minds and that's what democracy is all about." (complete with moronic smirk, phony Tex accent etc.)

...once again ignoring the content and instead giving yet another third-grade lecture about what freedom is. But then the dipshît did invent freedom, guess I shouldn't blame him.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by BlueSky

No doubt Georgie's response was/would be :"Ya see, that's what makes living in America so great...folks have the freedom to speak their minds and that's what democracy is all about." (complete with moronic smirk, phony Tex accent etc.)

...once again ignoring the content and instead giving yet another third-grade lecture about what freedom is. But then the dipshît did invent freedom, guess I shouldn't blame him.

No doubt Bush shouldn't have HAD to deal with such a thing at a funeral!

What BAD TASTE!

The dipshits are those that ruined it with their political zealotry.

These people are political zealots to the extreme that they are on the verge of being self-centered sociapaths.

[placebo1969]

I saw this yesterday and was thinking about making a thread. I believe there is a time and place for just about everything. I don't believe it was the time or place for Lowery and Carter to say what they said. Of course, they had the right to do it. I told my wife (who's not very political) who couldn't believe it.

[BRussell]

King (her and her husband) were entirely political individuals. To not talk about politics would be like not mentioning sports at the funeral of an athlete. So Bushie squirms a bit. He can take it.

Can't he?

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Kevin

No doubt Bush shouldn't have HAD to deal with such a thing at a funeral!

What BAD TASTE!

The dipshits are those that ruined it with their political zealotry.

These people are political zealots to the extreme that they are on the verge of being self-centered sociapaths.

Your fury reminds me very much of my attitude towards the Bozo in Chief. To that I'll give you a and call it even.

[Sky Captain]

The democratic party has sunk to a new low.
Even CNN is reporting their lack of judgement.

[Jawbone54]

I was also considering starting a thread on this yesterday, but for some reason my wireless connection at home won't let me post every once in a while.

This was tacky, tacky, tacky. The only possible reason the liberal media has not reported the comments made by Carter and Lowery is that they realize that the general public would be disgusted by the politicizing of a FUNERAL FOR GOD'S SAKE! To speak of her politics would be fine, but to step behind that pulpit, present your own opinion, and attack a president who happens to be sitting right behind you: loathesome. Lowery is a racist con artist and Carter is trying desperately to make up for a disastrous presidency before he croaks.

But the question is, "Are we really surprised?" No, no, no...
I've failed to be surprised by liberals for a long time.

[Sky Captain]

Not liberals. Socialists.

[production_coordinator]

Capitalizing on the passing of Mrs. King to attack your opponent... very tacky.

He could have gone on for hours about what SHE believed in... but the WMD comments are BS.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Because if they did, they would have had to paint it into a negative light. Meaning, make those who are acting bad, look bad.

So if they broadcast those clips without editorial comment (saying something only like, "Some speakers used their time to make comments on the Bush administration's policies") conservative media critics wouldn't jump on them for tacitly supporting the speakers? Somehow I doubt that.

[Millennium]

This was tasteless. There are many appropriate times for political debate or even name-calling, but a funeral isn't one of them. I'm not saying it should be criminalized -it shouldn't- but it's just plain rude, and I'm glad to see that it's being considered as such.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

So if they broadcast those clips without editorial comment (saying something only like, "Some speakers used their time to make comments on the Bush administration's policies") conservative media critics wouldn't jump on them for tacitly supporting the speakers? Somehow I doubt that.

I will quote Jawbone in case you missed it

The only possible reason the liberal media has not reported the comments made by Carter and Lowery is that they realize that the general public would be disgusted by the politicizing of a FUNERAL FOR GOD'S SAKE! To speak of her politics would be fine, but to step behind that pulpit, present your own opinion, and attack a president who happens to be sitting right behind you: loathesome. Lowery is a racist con artist and Carter is trying desperately to make up for a disastrous presidency before he croaks.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I will quote Jawbone in case you missed it

I think that actually backs up my point.

Anytime someone in the "liberal media" does something that their critics don't expect, they just say "oh, well, they're just being sneaky about it--they're too smart for that." When in fact if the liberal media is as an entrenched monopoly as the critics claim, then they would have little to fear.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

I think that actually backs up my point.

Anytime someone in the "liberal media" does something that their critics don't expect, they just say "oh, well, they're just being sneaky about it--they're too smart for that." When in fact if the liberal media is as an entrenched monopoly as the critics claim, then they would have little to fear.

I would say they have quite a bit to fear. FOX News and talk radio has proven that there is a huge demographic out there that is on to them. If they don't continue to rethink and reshape tactics, then their audience is going to continue to shrink.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

I think that actually backs up my point.

Anytime someone in the "liberal media" does something that their critics don't expect, they just say "oh, well, they're just being sneaky about it--they're too smart for that." When in fact if the liberal media is as an entrenched monopoly as the critics claim, then they would have little to fear.

I would say above, was a huge spin. But that is just MHO.

Like Jaw, I just simply disagree with you.

[PacHead]

The left has turned into a bunch of vile, mean spirited people. Way to go, piss on a funeral, that's apparently normal behavior for the left. They have no decency, no respect for others and no class, they are pure garbage. It would never even cross my mind to pull such a stunt at any funeral, I am a civilized person afterall.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by PacHead

The left has turned into a bunch of vile, mean spirited people.

Turned into? They have been that way since I have been following politics.

[finboy]

Originally Posted by Y3a

Former President Jimmy Carter later swung at Bush as well, not once but twice. As he talked about the Kings, he said: "It was difficult for them then personally with the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps." The crowd cheered as Bush, under fire for a secret wiretapping program he ordered after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, again smiled weakly.

He screwed up on this one -- Teddy Kennedy's brothers were the ones to order these FBI wiretaps. With Teddy sitting a few feet away, this was either rude or stupid. I'm voting for the latter.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by finboy

I'm voting for the latter.

Or both.

[BRussell]

Haha, the conservative outrage! Sure, the Kings were political activists, sure, their lives were devoted to challenging authority in our country, and sure, probably everyone there except Bush agreed 100% with the comments, but come on, we have to protect our president's ears from any hint of dissent!

[placebo1969]

Originally Posted by BRussell

Haha, the conservative outrage! Sure, the Kings were political activists, sure, their lives were devoted to challenging authority in our country, and sure, probably everyone there except Bush agreed 100% with the comments, but come on, we have to protect our president's ears from any hint of dissent!

This isn't a conversative vs. liberal issue. As I said earlier, it's a matter of when and where things should be said. Those attacks shouldn't be at a funeral service.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by placebo1969

This isn't a conversative vs. liberal issue. As I said earlier, it's a matter of when and where things should be said. Those attacks shouldn't be at a funeral service.

*gives placebo1969 a nice pat on the back*

Originally Posted by BRussell

Haha, the conservative outrage! Sure, the Kings were political activists, sure, their lives were devoted to challenging authority in our country, and sure, probably everyone there except Bush agreed 100% with the comments, but come on, we have to protect our president's ears from any hint of dissent!

This is liberal misinterpretation. We're not disgusted because people disagree with Bush. We're disgusted because political opportunists hijacked a funeral!

[Rolling Bones]

I lived through the civil rights era and I can't for the life of me remember anything special that this woman did. She was no one special so I don't know what all the fuss is about. Why not make it political. People on the left and right make everything political. The right is no more morally upright without guilt or sin than the left.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

This is liberal misinterpretation. We're not disgusted because people disagree with Bush. We're disgusted because political opportunists hijacked a funeral!

No you're disgusted because you like to be outraged by things and you think you can get a political advantage from using these speeches at her funeral. Do you seriously believe that the people who attended that funeral, King's supporters, would disagree with those political comments that were made? Please. It's only conservatives who wouldn't attend anyway who are supposedly outraged.

[placebo1969]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

*gives placebo1969 a nice pat on the back*

Thanks!!

[Jawbone54]

Misinterpretation #2 - President Bush was only at the funeral to gain a political advantage. She was only the wife of one of the most important figures in American history. Guess the current administration should've skipped that one, huh?

If they would agree with those comments, that's there business. But the comments SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE AT A FUNERAL. And who are you to say that all King supporters are liberal? He's greatly admired by both sides.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by placebo1969

This isn't a conversative vs. liberal issue. As I said earlier, it's a matter of when and where things should be said. Those attacks shouldn't be at a funeral service.

It's very much a conservative vs. liberal "issue." Really, it's an "issue" manufactured entirely by conservatives to drum up faux outrage. Do you really think it isn't entirely normal for someone to make those kinds of statements at the funeral of a political activist? Of course it's normal. Conservatives are trying to drum up outrage, when no one at that funeral would have been outraged by it. In fact, I've seen footage of it, and the attendees stood up and applauded. How can you say it was inappropriate when it obviously wasn't, judging from the reaction of those who were invited.

[placebo1969]

Originally Posted by BRussell

It's very much a conservative vs. liberal "issue." Really, it's an "issue" manufactured entirely by conservatives to drum up faux outrage. Do you really think it isn't entirely normal for someone to make those kinds of statements at the funeral of a political activist? Of course it's normal. Conservatives are trying to drum up outrage, when no one at that funeral would have been outraged by it. In fact, I've seen footage of it, and the attendees stood up and applauded. How can you say it was inappropriate when it obviously wasn't, judging from the reaction of those who were invited.

I disagree. Especially with your last sentence. Using that logic: If someone made a very hateful and incendary speech and because people applauded it, it would be okay? At least that's what I get from your last sentence.

I don't have outrage. To me, funeral services are to talk about the deceased.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by placebo1969

I disagree. Especially with your last sentence. Using that logic: If someone made a very hateful and incendary speech and because people applauded it, it would be okay? At least that's what I get from your last sentence.

I don't have outrage. To me, funeral services are to talk about the deceased.

You make a good point, applause doesn't necessarily make it right. But those weren't hateful speeches by any stretch, they were long speeches with a few fairly tame political elements. And I don't know how you could talk about a deceased political activist without mentioning politics at least a bit.

[Spliffdaddy]

Well, if Bush wasn't there, I'm sure the liberals would have called him a racist.

[Sky Captain]

Should have talked civil rights.
Not politics. Purely sickening. At a funeral.

Not much different than the Wellstone funeral.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Interestingly, the broadcast news reports that I saw about the funeral made no mention of these incendiary remarks. So much for the "liberal media."

The NewsHour gave it about 10 minutes.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by BlueSky

No doubt Georgie's response was/would be :"Ya see, that's what makes living in America so great...folks have the freedom to speak their minds and that's what democracy is all about." (complete with moronic smirk, phony Tex accent etc.)

...once again ignoring the content and instead giving yet another third-grade lecture about what freedom is. But then the dipshît did invent freedom, guess I shouldn't blame him.

Ahhh, but if you haven't watched Georgie lately then you haven't seen George. He is speaking less haltingly, more assuredly and with humor and spontaneity lately. You might be pleasantly surprised!

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by BRussell

No you're disgusted because you like to be outraged by things and you think you can get a political advantage from using these speeches at her funeral. Do you seriously believe that the people who attended that funeral, King's supporters, would disagree with those political comments that were made? Please. It's only conservatives who wouldn't attend anyway who are supposedly outraged.

Incorrect. FUZZY ALERT: Jumping to conclusions.

I would have attended. I was offended at the liberal opportunism, no, make that AMBUSH, at the funeral.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by BRussell

It's very much a conservative vs. liberal "issue." Really, it's an "issue" manufactured entirely by conservatives to drum up faux outrage. Do you really think it isn't entirely normal for someone to make those kinds of statements at the funeral of a political activist? Of course it's normal. Conservatives are trying to drum up outrage, when no one at that funeral would have been outraged by it. In fact, I've seen footage of it, and the attendees stood up and applauded. How can you say it was inappropriate when it obviously wasn't, judging from the reaction of those who were invited.

The libs had an axe to grind. They knew the president would be there and so they made sure to grind their axes at him at this funeral. It was a cheap political ambush. Typical of Democrats.

You go riiiiight ahead and defend it. You reveal the degree you're willing to go along with a perversion of common decency by defending these creeps.

Carry on.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by BRussell

You make a good point, applause doesn't necessarily make it right. But those weren't hateful speeches by any stretch, they were long speeches with a few fairly tame political elements. And I don't know how you could talk about a deceased political activist without mentioning politics at least a bit.

Oh come on! They were getting their 'shots' at him knowing he couldn't respond. Cheap shots. Political ambush. Unfair. Inappropriate. Dirty.

Liberal.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Ahhh, but if you haven't watched Georgie lately then you haven't seen George. He is speaking less haltingly, more assuredly and with humor and spontaneity lately. You might be pleasantly surprised!

Don't even.
No amount of spin will ever.

Plus, there's nothing more dangerous than a confident idiot.

[Spliffdaddy]

To be fair, it's probably the only soapbox the liberals have to speak from.

They seem to have lost their soapbox in the Oval Office, House, and Senate.

lol.

Reckon the liberals will just have to wait until another civil rights leader dies.

[BRussell]

So let me get this straight. Liberal political statements are made eulogizing a liberal political activist - statements that the liberal political activist would certainly agree, and the funeral attendees agree. Criticism of the president? Criticism of illegal wiretapping? Of faulty justifications for war? But the president might have to squint his eyes real tight and squirm in his seat for 10 minutes, and we can't have liberals making him do that!

[Spliffdaddy]

"Liberal political statements are made eulogizing a liberal political activist" ???

Huh?

Liberal political statements were made that were critical of the President. The statements had nothing to do with the activist that died.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

To be fair, it's probably the only soapbox the liberals have to speak from.

They seem to have lost their soapbox in the Oval Office, House, and Senate.

lol.

Reckon the liberals will just have to wait until another civil rights leader dies.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally Posted by BRussell

So let me get this straight. Liberal political statements are made eulogizing a liberal political activist - statements that the liberal political activist would certainly agree, and the funeral attendees agree. Criticism of the president? Criticism of illegal wiretapping? Of faulty justifications for war? But the president might have to squint his eyes real tight and squirm in his seat for 10 minutes, and we can't have liberals making him do that!

How about liberal activists making embarrassing fools of themselves and turning off moderates by showing that they don't have common decency and a sense of decorum. Carter made Bush look gracious and gentlemanly, willing to rise above partisanship to honor a great American, whether or not that person was of the same party as himself. On the other hand, Carter made himself look venal and petty.

It's not very smart, is it?

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey

How about liberal activists making embarrassing fools of themselves and turning off moderates by showing that they don't have common decency and a sense of decorum. Carter made Bush look gracious and gentlemanly, willing to rise above partisanship to honor a great American, whether or not that person was of the same party as himself. On the other hand, Carter made himself look venal and petty.

It's not very smart, is it?

Liberal activists/moderates/conservatives and all those labels begin to sound silly after a while when trying to define what went on yesterday. You call it "rising above partisanship" for Bush, "venal/petty" for others. To "honor a great American", maybe it's best to just tell the truth, as I'm sure that American would have preferred, and NOT...for once...do the usual maypole dance with decorum and lip service with those who are destroying this country. What better time to do it than at her funeral? She's dead, don't bury her with the usual gobbledegook, send her out with a little truth. To do any less would be a mockery of what she and her husband stood for.

A huge thumbs up to Carter. And Oprah Winfrey is still Satan.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

"Liberal political statements are made eulogizing a liberal political activist" ???

Huh?

Liberal political statements were made that were critical of the President. The statements had nothing to do with the activist that died.

All of the statements referred to the Kings or civil rights: Money for war but not for the poor, wiretapping the Kings, the hurricane showing inequality.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey

How about liberal activists making embarrassing fools of themselves and turning off moderates by showing that they don't have common decency and a sense of decorum. Carter made Bush look gracious and gentlemanly, willing to rise above partisanship to honor a great American, whether or not that person was of the same party as himself. On the other hand, Carter made himself look venal and petty.

It's not very smart, is it?

You all are just too used to the Bush presidency of insulation, with free speech zones and hand-picked audiences. I remember when Elie Weisel let Clinton have it about Bosnia at the solemn occasion of the opening of the holocaust museum. I thought it was moral and took courage and couldn't care less that Clinton might have squirmed a bit. Perhaps it's just one of the differences between liberals and conservatives.

[tie]

Originally Posted by Kevin

"We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there,"

No, we don't know EITHER WAY. There is NO PROOF either way that claims otherwise.

Such statements are dishonest.

LOL. Are you for real? Anyway, keep it, v. funny.

This thread is a bit ridiculous; god forbid politics be discussed outside the political/war lounge, let alone at the funeral of a ... political activist!