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Nov 19, 2014, 09:42 AM
 
His legacy might have survived had he died 5 years ago. Now? Forever tarnished.
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 10:51 AM
 
I mean, his career was over a long time ago, but his reputation and legacy are done for.
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Nov 19, 2014, 10:58 AM
 
He had a special coming out on netflix (pulled) and a show coming out on NBC. It was actually kind of coming back.
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 11:02 AM
 
Didn't this same thing happen to Bob Barker?
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 11:03 AM
 
Yeah, that sounds familiar
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 11:04 AM
 
Pretty much. Cosby has said too many things critical of "black culture" and is paying the price. There was a video of a black "comedian" calling Cosby a rapist among other things. The video has been pulled but this page has his remarks

'Angry Birds' Star Hannibal Buress Rips Bill Cosby: 'You Are a Rapist' (Video) - TheWrap
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Nov 19, 2014, 11:17 AM
 
Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Pretty much. Cosby has said too many things critical of "black culture" and is paying the price.
How

How did you make this not about rape
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 12:14 PM
 
I don't see how some people can still respect Polanski but revile Cosby.
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Nov 19, 2014, 12:17 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
I don't see how some people can still respect Polanski but revile Cosby.
I don't think Polanski is mainstream enough to garner much opinion. His heydey also came earlier, leaving out younger people.
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 12:27 PM
 
Thank you! I was looking for those, but buzzfeed is blocked at work.
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 12:36 PM
 
Still, one (Polanski) is revered by most of the Hollywood elite, despite his love for drugging and sodomizing 13 y/o girls, while the other is being crucified, by those same people, for allegedly doing the same. Besides, I believe you can ask most non-muppets who Roman Polanski is and they'll know about him, hell, he even won an academy award, while on the lamb avoiding extradition and imprisonment.

This really is a case of acceptance based on which side of the ideological divide they've chosen. At least Whoopi Goldberg is consistent regarding them both, if frighteningly misogynistic.
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Nov 19, 2014, 12:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Still, one (Polanski) is revered by most of the Hollywood elite
I haven't heard them comment on Cosby so far.

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Besides, I believe you can ask most non-muppets who Roman Polanski is and they'll know about him
No idea what non-muppets is.

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hell, he even won an academy award, while on the lamb avoiding extradition and imprisonment.
Artistic skill has no correlation with not being a scumbag. The Cosby Show isn't suddenly bad because all this accusations came to light.

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This really is a case of acceptance based on which side of the ideological divide they've chosen. At least Whoopi Goldberg is consistent regarding them both, if frighteningly misogynistic.
I think you have an axe to grind here.
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 01:05 PM
 
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The Cosby Show isn't suddenly bad because all this accusations came to light.
I never liked the Cosby Show, so imo the show was always bad. But I love the old Fat Albert show, and some of Cosby's earlier stand up work too.

I'm just surprised at all these allegations, there's some pretty ****ed up shit happening right there.

But why do these people wait so long - the guy is 77 for chrissake? I think there should be a statute of limitations applied to some degree, or a statue of limitations - if you prefer to just look at it.
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No idea what non-muppets is.
The one in the middle.

     
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Nov 19, 2014, 01:07 PM
 
no way, that thing on the right.
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Originally Posted by osiris View Post
But why do these people wait so long - the guy is 77 for chrissake? I think there should be a statute of limitations applied to some degree, or a statue of limitations - if you prefer to just look at it.
A couple of things. First, obviously, much easier to get media coverage now.
Second, another woman read the account and it read like a carbon copy of her experience – which she thought was a one-off, and decided to join in.
Third, the snowball effect then happened. The less alone you feel, the more likely you are to come forward.
Fourth, assault and rape are hot button topic lately, making this the most perfect of storms.
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 01:28 PM
 
Most of them didn't wait, they came forward years ago. A few more recently came out of the woodwork because it's in the news now.

Why wasn't a big deal made of it years ago? I dunno. It's harder to bury stories like this now thanks to the internet.

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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
A couple of things. First, obviously, much easier to get media coverage now.
Second, another woman read the account and it read like a carbon copy of her experience – which she thought was a one-off, and decided to join in.
Third, the snowball effect then happened. The less alone you feel, the more likely you are to come forward.
Fourth, assault and rape are hot button topic lately, making this the most perfect of storms.
thanks for clarifying, I really had no interest up until now.
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Nov 19, 2014, 01:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by osiris View Post
I never liked the Cosby Show, so imo the show was always bad. But I love the old Fat Albert show, and some of Cosby's earlier stand up work too.

I'm just surprised at all these allegations, there's some pretty ****ed up shit happening right there.

But why do these people wait so long - the guy is 77 for chrissake? I think there should be a statute of limitations applied to some degree, or a statue of limitations - if you prefer to just look at it.
In and of itself, I don't think rape should have a SoL.

There are issues of false accusations, but then that's not an SoL issue. SoL is for giving a certain level of comfort to the guilty. When it comes to rape? **** that.
     
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Most of them didn't wait, they came forward years ago.
Correct. They didn't get either media coverage nor were their accusations taken seriously.

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A few more recently came out of the woodwork because it's in the news now.
It also sound like he never really stopped. Like it's been 50 years of just endless sexual assaults.
     
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Nov 19, 2014, 01:35 PM
 
This whole thing reminds me of some alter boys I knew - it took them years to admit that they were all hit on (and some molested) by priests/brother, but never said anything to anyone until now. Of course that is the Catholic church, so it doesn't really matter. (!)
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It also sound like he never really stopped. Like it's been 50 years of just endless sexual assaults.
Yeah, the more I read the more I'm shocked...
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Nov 19, 2014, 01:37 PM
 
Cosby seems to have really gone off the deep end in his old age. His old standup was incredible back in the day, but I saw a new special he did a few years ago and it was painfully unwatchable. He was recently on Colbert and only seemed to be about half there. Like talking to your 92 year old grandfather or something.

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I saw him live in the late 80's and was blown away.
     
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Originally Posted by osiris View Post
This whole thing reminds me of some alter boys I knew - it took them years to admit that they were all hit on (and some molested) by priests/brother, but never said anything to anyone until now. Of course that is the Catholic church, so it doesn't really matter. (!)
A book just came out about Hollywood and the abuse that has gone on and continues to go on. Todd Bridges says he was abused, along with both of the Coreys. That is probably the diference with Polanski and Cosby. Same with the BBC bloke and Elmo's voice actor.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
A book just came out about Hollywood and the abuse that has gone on and continues to go on. Todd Bridges says he was abused, along with both of the Coreys. That is probably the diference with Polanski and Cosby. Same with the BBC bloke and Elmo's voice actor.
People are afraid to bring this stuff out. I'm sure more will talk.
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A book just came out about Hollywood and the abuse that has gone on and continues to go on. Todd Bridges says he was abused, along with both of the Coreys. That is probably the diference with Polanski and Cosby. Same with the BBC bloke and Elmo's voice actor.
Google Nickelodeon's Dan Snyder, if you have a strong stomach and don't mind nightmares.
     
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There was a video of a black "comedian" calling Cosby a rapist among other things.
Sorry, why is "comedian" in scare quotes? Hannibal Buress is a legitimately hilarious comedian and writer. It's unfortunate that most people will correlate his name with this scandal and not 30 Rock or his standup.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Google Nickelodeon's Dan Snyder, if you have a strong stomach and don't mind nightmares.
Schneider.

TIL "rumor" has been sanitized from Google autofill.
     
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Sorry, why is "comedian" in scare quotes? Hannibal Buress is a legitimately hilarious comedian and writer. It's unfortunate that most people will correlate his name with this scandal and not 30 Rock or his standup.
Or his eyes almost never being open.
It's weird, right?


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Schneider.
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Buress is a Chappell wannabe, neither as funny nor as insightful.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I haven't heard them comment on Cosby so far.
It's hard to avoid, but okay.

No idea what non-muppets is.
Then it seems you aren't one.

Artistic skill has no correlation with not being a scumbag. The Cosby Show isn't suddenly bad because all this accusations came to light.
The Oscars aren't about skill, it's a Hollywood popularity contest, and the Cosby Show is being pulled from syndication everywhere now.

I think you have an axe to grind here.
Yet it's still a factual assessment.
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Nov 19, 2014, 03:02 PM
 
NBC killed his pilot or whatever. All he has left is to try and slink away and hope the cases aren't diligently monitored.
     
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*looks at the TV listings*

Until this week The Cosby Show was on 2 channels, shown daily, according to Dish Network. Now? I can't find it at all. There was no announcement or statement, it's just gone. Not that I blame them, it's like the 7th Heaven scandal all over again.
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Buress is a Chappell wannabe, neither as funny nor as insightful.
Say that to his face. He has METAL ARMS.
     
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The most devastating part of this is that The Cosby Show played a part in my early childhood.

Even in recent years, I looked at Cosby through an idealistic, days-gone-by lens. I have two of his stand-up albums in my iTunes collection, and I'll bust them out every year or two.

This story just sucks.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Thanks. Sort of.
I should mention, if that was nightmare fuel for you, do not look into any of the recent UK pedo scandals. We'll have to clean you off the floor with a mop afterwards.
     
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The most devastating part of this is that The Cosby Show played a part in my early childhood.

Even in recent years, I looked at Cosby through an idealistic, days-gone-by lens. I have two of his stand-up albums in my iTunes collection, and I'll bust them out every year or two.

This story just sucks.
There is that extra special irony of this in the face of the wholesomeness he seemed to embody.
     
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It's hard to avoid, but okay.
I guess it depends how you consume your media, but zero tv, and no mainstream news sites here.

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Then it seems you aren't one.
Ask a question, get insulted. Stay classy.

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The Oscars aren't about skill, it's a Hollywood popularity contest
I don't think the latter is any more true than the former.

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Yet it's still a factual assessment.
I don't know, I really haven't seen any example, either way.
     
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"Muppet" in this context means "little kid".

As in someone the size of a muppet.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Until this week The Cosby Show was on 2 channels, shown daily, according to Dish Network. Now? I can't find it at all. There was no announcement or statement, it's just gone. Not that I blame them, it's like the 7th Heaven scandal all over again.
I can't decide if that's over reactionary. I mean, at least in Cosby's case he's well known.

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The most devastating part of this is that The Cosby Show played a part in my early childhood.
I thought that was the self-evident reason for this thread. The majority of us probably had exposure to him from as late as adolescence to our early childhood.

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I should mention, if that was nightmare fuel for you, do not look into any of the recent UK pedo scandals. We'll have to clean you off the floor with a mop afterwards.
It's not nightmare fuel, but it is cringe-enducing. And what I've read is mostly fourth-hand stuff. But yeah, I'll take a pass on legit pedo stuff. Avoiding the Honey Boo Boo scandal has been a bit of a chore.
     
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There is that extra special irony of this in the face of the wholesomeness he seemed to embody.
No doubt about it.

I don't usually believe initial reports of accusations brought against celebrities (since they're such huge targets), but the number that has come forward against Cosby is so damning, it's hard not to believe.

Also, I don't know if you guys saw this, but Don Lemon did a smashing job interviewing an alleged Cosby victim: CNN anchor Don Lemon crosses line with Bill Cosby rape accuser Joan Tarshis: 'There are ways not to perform oral sex':

“You know, there are ways not to perform oral sex if you didn't want to do it,” Lemon told Tarshis during a TV interview.

“I was kind of stoned at the time, and quite honestly, that didn't even enter my mind,” Tarshis answered. “Now I wish it would have.”

“Right. Meaning the using of the teeth, right?” Lemon prodded.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
It's not nightmare fuel, but it is cringe-enducing. And what I've read is mostly fourth-hand stuff. But yeah, I'll take a pass on legit pedo stuff. Avoiding the Honey Boo Boo scandal has been a bit of a chore.
The Saville stuff is very bad, but I've been able to handle it.

The guy in the band is so bad no one wants to print it. You need to look at the police reports. That's a pass for me.
     
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Also, I don't know if you guys saw this, but Don Lemon did a smashing job interviewing an alleged Cosby victim: CNN anchor Don Lemon crosses line with Bill Cosby rape accuser Joan Tarshis: 'There are ways not to perform oral sex':
That is generally regarded as victim blaming.
     
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That is generally regarded as victim blaming.
No doubt about it. I don't know if he was trying to be funny, but his "teeth" clarification remark makes it seem likely. I'm blown away by how stupid anchors can be, regardless of the network.
     
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I couldn't be sure of the sarcasm. Sorry.
     
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The guy in the band is so bad no one wants to print it. You need to look at the police reports. That's a pass for me.
This sounds vaguely familiar. Staind? I didn't read the story. I avoid a lot of articles passed sensationalist or disgusting headlines.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
How

How did you make this not about rape
It is about rape. It is also about what happens when you go off the reservation. Cosby has fallen out of favor due to his criticism of black youth and the hip hop cutlture. Buress mentions this in his routine.

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Sorry, why is "comedian" in scare quotes? Hannibal Buress is a legitimately hilarious comedian and writer. It's unfortunate that most people will correlate his name with this scandal and not 30 Rock or his standup.
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Buress is a Chappell wannabe, neither as funny nor as insightful.
I never heard of him until now.
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What's extra creepy about the whole thing is that Bill Cosby's celebrity status pretty much guaranteed him an endless supply of willing and super attractive sex partners should he desire them. And yet, he does this crap. The dude obviously got off on the drugging and unwillingness part more than anything else.

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