[marden]

http://www.judeoscope.ca/breve.php3?id_breve=2630

Wednesday 20 September 2006
NY Protests Global Jihad Outside UN
Ezra HaLevi
Israel National News

A large number of protestors gathered opposite the United Nations building in New York City Wednesday afternoon to protest Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and demand the release of Israel’s captives.

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, US Ambassador John Bolton, New York State Governor George Pataki, Holocaust survivor and author Eli Wiesel and human rights lawyer Alan Dershowitz, among others, addressed the crowd, which stretched down the streets and avenues surrounding the plaza opposite the United Nations.

Also attending the rally and issue emotional pleas for the release of their captive family members were Carmit Goldwasser, wife of IDF soldier Ehud Goldwasser, and Benny Regev, brother of Eldad Regev - both being held by Hizbullah.

"People are coming from as far away as California," Conference of Presidents Chairman Malcolm Hoenlein told Arutz-7 an hour before the rally began. "The plaza is already filled with Jews, Christians, Blacks, Whites, Hispanics - an unbelievable rainbow of the American people."

Hoenlein doubted that any of the rally’s speakers would issue calls for an attack on Iran in order to prevent the Islamic republic from attaining nuclear capability, as President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad promised the UN it would continue to pursue, Tuesday.

"The purpose of the rally is to show solidarity with Israel and to demand the release of the MIAs," Hoenlein said. "Leaders of the world meeting across the street will have a hard time not hearing our message and Ahmadinejad will know that his threats to wipe out Israel are unacceptable. The US is obligated to let him into the country, but we are obligated to let him know what we think."

More than 140 buses were on their way to the rally, organizers said, adding that many more people were flying in from across the country for the event.

The rally enjoys one of the widest array of organization support in decades. Jewish organizations from Meretz to Americans For a Safe Israel have lent their support and the Council of Torah Sages of the Hareidi-religious Agudah movement have made the decision to support the protest as well, calling upon members of the movement to attend. Crowds backed up down second avenue.

In honor of the upcoming Rosh HaShana holiday marking the Jewish new year, hundreds of shofrot, ram’s horns, were blown in unison during the protest.

The shofar has traditionally been blown both at times of trouble, to encourage the Jewish people to mend their ways, and during wartime, to rally the troops, demoralize the enemies of Israel and to signal Divine assistance for the Jewish nation.

It is ridiculous! It is shocking! It is a blatant and obvious indication of media bias.

Whenever you'd have 140 buses and crowds extending up and down major NYC streets and speakers such as:

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni,

US Ambassador John Bolton,

New York State Governor George Pataki,

Holocaust survivor and author Eli Wiesel

human rights lawyer Alan Dershowitz,

And members of the families of two IDF soldiers still being held by Hizbullah, Carmit Goldwasser, wife of IDF soldier Ehud Goldwasser, and Benny Regev, brother of Eldad Regev,

as well as thousands (one estimate was 30,000+) of people from across America representing every socio-economic-political demographic segment protesting outside the U.N. you would expect to get major news coverage.

This got nary a peep.

Remember this the next time you see 5 America bashers with a cardboard sign supposedly representing major protests against the US on CNN.

[marden]

Power Line: The secret rally for Israel

September 21, 2006
The secret rally for Israel

Reader Scot Silverstein alerts us to the rally for Israel outside the United Nations earlier this week:

Some 35,000 people rallied across from the United Nations to protest Ahmadinejad’s presence at the world body. The crowd also wanted to show solidarity for Israel and implore the United Nations to enforce Security Council Resolution 1701, which ended Israel’s war this summer with Hezbollah and calls for the release of three Israeli soldiers taken hostage by Hamas and Hezbollah.
Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Presidents Conference, referred to Ahmadinejad’s Tuesday night speech to the General Assembly, in which he portrayed the creation of Israel as aggression against the Muslim world.

“He’s constantly lied and misrepresented the truth,” Hoenlein said, “and he comes and lectures the rest of the world?”

The rally drew dozens of speakers, including Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel, New York Gov. George Pataki and Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz.

My guess is you never read or heard about the rally. The story Scot Silverstein sent us is from JTA, a Jewish news service. Scot writes:
A Google news search on "Israel rally UN" or similar terms only brings back a few hits, mostly from Jewish agencies.
This is stunning and deserves some attention. From an information science perspective it is as clear evidence of world news media collusion and bias as any.

One more note: God bless John Bolton.
Posted by Scott at 05:38 AM | |



Michael Priest
Demonstrators protest Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad across from the United Nations in New York on Sept. 20, 2006, in a rally organized by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

BEHIND THE HEADLINES
Supporters of Israel rally near U.N.,
but inside, Israel, U.S. on defensive
By Jacob Berkman

NEW YORK, Sept. 20 (JTA) — The 61st convening of the United Nations General Assembly has been marked outside the U.N. building by pro-Israel rallies, and inside by a growing ideological rift between the United States and its opponents, with Israel caught in the middle.

President Bush used his speech Tuesday to the General Assembly to appeal to the people of Iran, telling them that their president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was wasting their resources to build nuclear weapons and support terrorism.

In response, Ahmadinejad sought to paint the United States as an imperialist aggressor that uses Israel as its proxy.

Jewish groups and others came out en masse Wednesday to protest against Ahmadinejad in a rally organized by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations and other groups.

Some 35,000 people rallied across from the United Nations to protest Ahmadinejad’s presence at the world body. The crowd also wanted to show solidarity for Israel and implore the United Nations to enforce Security Council Resolution 1701, which ended Israel’s war this summer with Hezbollah and calls for the release of three Israeli soldiers taken hostage by Hamas and Hezbollah.

Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Presidents Conference, referred to Ahmadinejad’s Tuesday night speech to the General Assembly, in which he portrayed the creation of Israel as aggression against the Muslim world.

“He’s constantly lied and misrepresented the truth,” Hoenlein said, “and he comes and lectures the rest of the world?”

The rally drew dozens of speakers, including Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel, New York Gov. George Pataki and Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz.

“Shame on you for being the biggest Holocaust denier in the world,” Wiesel said of Ahmadinejad. “You bring shame to your culture and your nation.”

The United Nations, he added, also should be ashamed for giving Ahmadinejad a forum.

Dershowitz brought to the podium a copy of an indictment he said he was set to file against Ahmadinejad for trying to incite genocide against the Jews.

The rally also featured a healthy number of non-Jewish speakers and protesters. Kimberly Nucco and Sonya Davie, members of Christians United for Israel, came to the rally from Brooklyn. Both had been told in their church that it was imperative to support Israel.

It seemed clear, though, that the Jewish state was at the center of a power struggle as opponents of the United States paint Israel as an the pawn of U.S. imperialism.

Though he didn’t mention Israel by name in a speech laced with improbable appeals for more love and human rights, the Iranian president devoted much of his speech to criticizing the Jewish state.

He also called for the U.N. Security Council to be reformed so the United States would no longer be a permanent member with veto power. The United States abuses its veto power to achieve its imperialist goals and stifle the voice of the oppressed, Ahmadinejad argued.

“This is blatantly manifested in the way the elected government of Palestine is treated, as well as in the support extended to the Zionist regime,” Ahmadinejad said. “It does not matter if people are murdered in Palestine, turned into refugees, captured, imprisoned or besieged; that must not violate human rights.”

Ahmadinejad did not use the U.N. podium to deny the Holocaust, as he has done publicly in the past, but made clear that he feels the creation of Israel was an act of aggression.

Palestine “was placed under control of some of the war survivors, bringing even larger population groups from elsewhere in the world, who had not even been affected by the war... driving millions of the rightful inhabitants of the land into a diaspora and homelessness,” said Ahmadinejad, who in recent years has called repeatedly for Israel’s destruction. “This is a great tragedy with hardly a precedent in history... Can any member of the United Nations accept such a tragedy occurring in their own homeland?”

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez picked up Ahmadinejad’s rhetoric Wednesday. Calling Bush the devil, he castigated the Security Council for, in his view, allowing Israel to destroy Lebanon and intentionally kill hundreds of civilians.

“The bombs in Beirut had micro-millimetric accuracy, and they are caught in the crossfire?” Chavez said. “It is genocidal.”

The real question, said David Harris, executive director of the American Jewish Committee, is whether the voices of those gathered at the rally across from the United Nations will be heard by member nations, especially as Ahmadinejad tries to position himself as a champion of the oppressed.

The danger is that people in the developing world will start to look at Ahmadinejad as their spokesman, Harris said.

“The message from the rally could not be clearer,” he told JTA. “Whether it will be heard and heeded is another matter. The gap between the U.N. and the rally is much wider than First Avenue.”
JTA NEWS

[marden]

Sen. Clinton calls on Red Cross to aid kidnapped soldiers, jabs at Iran president

RAW STORY
Published: Wednesday September 20, 2006

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) today placed a statement in the Congressional Record that called on Jakob Kellenberger, President of the International Committee of the Red Cross, "to do whatever he can to verify the health and well-being" of three Israeli soldiers kidnapped several months ago, RAW STORY can report.

Clinton additionally called on the Red Cross to "ensure that [the soldiers] have their full rights under the Geneva Conventions" and that Kellenberger "do what he can" to obtain their release.

"I have met with family members of one of the soldiers abducted in Israel," Clinton added, "who spoke eloquently and movingly about the importance of securing the safe return of the captured soldiers."

In a jab at President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, who has made numerous controversial statements regarding Israel, Clinton referred to him as a "repeated purveyor of offensive rhetoric." Ahmadinejad delivered a speech at the UN on Tuesday denouncing the United States and Britain as "hegemonic powers."

"It is my hope," Clinton continued, "that world leaders will convey the message that through his statements calling for Israel’s destruction ... President Ahmadinejad continues to lessen his standing as a credible world leader in the community of nations."

The Democratic senator, often discussed as a potential 2008 presidential contender, made the statement in conjunction with a pro-Israel rally outside the United Nations building in New York City.

In the statement, available in full at Clinton's Senate website, she declared her support for "Israel's right to exist, and exist in safety."

Clinton openly issued a separate letter directly to Kellenberger with verbiage similar to the Congressional Record statement.http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Se...ross_0920.html

Do you think Hillary's presence made the event a DOUBLE WHAMMY?

The left wing media didn't want to give her the coverage because she is trying to appeal to the right and the right didn't want to give her the coverage because she's Hillary? That's a joke. The right wing media doesn't play that game.

[Sky Captain]

Because it dosen't stir up anti-American hate.
It dosen't add to the anti-American propaghanda.
It dosen't reflect the wanted destruction of Israel by Iran.
20-30,000 protestors aren't enough to warrant news.

[spacefreak]

It's telling what the mainstream media chooses to report.

Of all the articles about Ahmadinejad's speech at the UN, none of the ones I read even mentioned his prayer calling for the return of the twelfth iman. That's a pretty significant event - calling for the end of the world - don't you think?

[Sky Captain]

Or the US falling to the "Fire if Islam".

[marden]

Originally Posted by spacefreak

It's telling what the mainstream media chooses to report.

Of all the articles about Ahmadinejad's speech at the UN, none of the ones I read even mentioned his prayer calling for the return of the twelfth iman. That's a pretty significant event - calling for the end of the world - don't you think?

WOW!

This is the first I heard of it! He prayed calling for the return of the twelfth iman at the U.N. yesterday?

Yes. I see.

President Ahmadinejad's address at UNGA
IRNA - Islamic Republic News Agency

United Nations, New York, Sept 20, 2006, IRNA
UNGA-Ahmadinejad-Speech
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday addressed the 61st annual session of the UN General Assembly in New York.

In his speech, he criticized the new world order that has emerged in contemporary times as shown in global interactions where "certain powers equate themselves with the international community and whose decisions are to be controlling over those of 180 others." Following is the full text of President Ahmadinejad's speech at the General Assembly:
"In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Praise be to God and peace be upon Prophet Mohammad and His Infallible Household and chosen disciples. O God, hasten the reappearance of the Imam of the times and grant to us victory and prosperity. Include us among his followers and martyrs.

President Ahmadinejad's address at UNGA

But I can see where it would be considered just a run of the mill normal prayer.

[Sky Captain]

Let Bush say a prayer and the country is under dangerous totolartarian Christian rule.
Let some apocolyptic Islamic nut job make a prayer for the end of the world and muslim rule and it's cute.

Yet no outcries from the left.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Or the US falling to the "Fire if Islam".

I didn't find that in the speech text.

President Ahmadinejad's address at UNGA

[Dakar]

Difference is the Muslims let their religion rule their countries, so why should we be surprised? It ain't cute. In fact, it seems to be one of our bigger problems with the mideast in general.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Or the US falling to the "Fire if Islam".

Where in the speech is that?

[Sky Captain]

For some reason the transcripts have "disappeared" now.
Convienient.
(From another speech)

General assembly 2005. Is one.
There's another I'm hunting. I had it last night.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by marden

WOW!

This is the first I heard of it! He prayed calling for the return of the twelfth iman at the U.N. yesterday?

Yes. I see.

President Ahmadinejad's address at UNGA

But I can see where it would be considered just a run of the mill normal prayer.

Interestingly enough that part isn't in the original transcript made by the UN as far as I can tell.

Must be yet another UN conspiracy against the US I guess.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Let Bush say a prayer and the country is under dangerous totolartarian Christian rule.
Let some apocolyptic Islamic nut job make a prayer for the end of the world and muslim rule and it's cute.

Yet no outcries from the left.

We ned to stop being so hard on our liberal brothers. We have Saudis making huge donations to our finest universities to influence Americans. We have Chavez making grand gestures of benevolence to America's poor to help with their heating bills. We have non-violent inroads being paved into the fiber of America by radical individuals and organizations to win the hearts and minds of Americans.

They are trying to beat us at our own game.

Where we entered Iraq and used violence to try to win the hearts and minds of the people we are having a hard time.

But they will boast they captured America and there was no violence and our people followed them willingly.

Ahmadinejad and Chavez and many of the other non-aligned states are working together to defeat us and if we continually attack our fellow Americans it will only help the enemy. We need to close ranks and gain solidarity.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Difference is the Muslims let their religion rule their countries, so why should we be surprised? It ain't cute. In fact, it seems to be one of our bigger problems with the mideast in general.

Islam is both a religion and a political system. All we want is to encourage peaceful Islam and peaceful relations. If Iraq succeeds in being able to resist the radicals it will be a peaceful Islamic democracy.

[Zeeb]

I'm so sure its media bias exactly. Media outlets like CNN are profit making institutions and the most important story isn't always the one that will get people interested in watching the news. I think people are just tired of hearing about this and what matters more to most people on a personal level is whether their spinach is contaminated.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Zeeb

I'm so sure its media bias exactly. Media outlets like CNN are profit making institutions and the most important story isn't always the one that will get people interested in watching the news. I think people are just tired of hearing about this and what matters more to most people on a personal level is whether their spinach is contaminated.

I guess you might have a point. Although I'm not going to let them off the hook so easily without more proof.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Let Bush say a prayer and the country is under dangerous totolartarian Christian rule.
Let some apocolyptic Islamic nut job make a prayer for the end of the world and muslim rule and it's cute.

Yet no outcries from the left.

Umm, if I am not mistaken the UN is NOT an entity of the United States government. So, it's not like Ahmadinejad was praying at a secular event on US soil or sponsored by the US government. You're comparing apple to oranges. You are comparing the religious speech by the leader of a non-theistic and secular government with religious speech by the leader of a theistic and religious government.

Certainly what Ahmadinejad said was horrific but it looks like you were trying to score points with a critique of those who oppose open religion practices in the secular US government with your comparison. But the basis for your comparison was faulty. That's okay, though. If you think that the leader of the United States government should engage in religious speech as part of his duties as the leader of a secular nation just come out and say so.

Although, with the sharply rightward leaning tilt of our current socio-political climate it seems that such a wish might come true. Bush might truly become comparable to Ahmadinejad as the leader of a theistic and religious government. Except Bush would be here in the United States.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by marden

We ned to stop being so hard on our liberal brothers. We have Saudis making huge donations to our finest universities to influence Americans. We have Chavez making grand gestures of benevolence to America's poor to help with their heating bills. We have non-violent inroads being paved into the fiber of America by radical individuals and organizations to win the hearts and minds of Americans.

They are trying to beat us at our own game.

Where we entered Iraq and used violence to try to win the hearts and minds of the people we are having a hard time.

But they will boast they captured America and there was no violence and our people followed them willingly.

Ahmadinejad and Chavez and many of the other non-aligned states are working together to defeat us and if we continually attack our fellow Americans it will only help the enemy. We need to close ranks and gain solidarity.

I do NOT want to "close ranks and gain solidarity" with your paranoid, xenophobic ideas and rampant anti-Islamism. I'll take my chance on believing most peoples of most nations are decent and not concerned with global imposition of their religious faith on the rest of the world.

[Dork.]

I've been wondering why we haven't heard more about the guy's speech itself. I had been looking for a transcript of it, thanks for finding it!

In any case, this guy appears to have some chutzpah: (I've added the bolding for my own emphasis.)

"Occupation of countries, including Iraq, has continued for the last three years. Not a day goes by without hundreds of people getting killed in cold blood. The occupiers are incapable of establishing security in Iraq. Despite the establishment of the lawful Government and National Assembly of Iraq, there are covert and overt efforts to heighten insecurity, magnify and aggravate differences within Iraqi society, and instigate civil strife.

"There is no indication that the occupiers have the necessary political will to eliminate the sources of instability. Numerous terrorists were apprehended by the Government of Iraq only to be let loose under various pretexts by the occupiers.

"It seems that intensification of hostilities and terrorism serves as a pretext for the continued presence of foreign forces in Iraq.

"Where can the people of Iraq seek refuge, and from whom should the Government of Iraq seek justice?
"Who can ensure Iraq's security? Insecurity in Iraq affects the entire region. Can the Security Council play a role in restoring peace and security in Iraq when the occupiers are themselves the permanent members of the Council? Can the Security Council adopt a fair decision in this regard?

I wonder who is instrumental in spearheading the "covert and overt methods" to heighten insecurity in Iraq?

In any case, this entire speech seems aimed at solving all the worlds' problems by giving the Arab League a permanent seat on the security council. I say, go for it! The Security Council does need updating, anyway, it's too much of a relic of WWII and doesn't reflect today's gepoplitical realities. And when they start using their veto power in exactly the same way that they critisize the U.S. for doing, we can point to this speech and ask them why they ought to be able to do things that they think we shouldn't....

[ink]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Let Bush say a prayer and the country is under dangerous totolartarian Christian rule.
Let some apocolyptic Islamic nut job make a prayer for the end of the world and muslim rule and it's cute.

Yet no outcries from the left.

I'm angry as hell!

There, now do you feel better?

[Sky Captain]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Umm, if I am not mistaken the UN is NOT an entity of the United States government. So, it's not like Ahmadinejad was praying at a secular event on US soil or sponsored by the US government. You're comparing apple to oranges. You are comparing the religious speech by the leader of a non-theistic and secular government with religious speech by the leader of a theistic and religious government.

Certainly what Ahmadinejad said was horrific but it looks like you were trying to score points with a critique of those who oppose open religion practices in the secular US government with your comparison. But the basis for your comparison was faulty. That's okay, though. If you think that the leader of the United States government should engage in religious speech as part of his duties as the leader of a secular nation just come out and say so.

Although, with the sharply rightward leaning tilt of our current socio-political climate it seems that such a wish might come true. Bush might truly become comparable to Ahmadinejad as the leader of a theistic and religious government. Except Bush would be here in the United States.

Au contrair, I don not think that the president should engage in religious speech as part of his duties.
My problem is that it's OK for Ahmadinejad and it's "cute".
And you left out Ahmadinejad's rhetoric for the genocide of Jews. Yet there was no world outrage. No rioting in the streets. *shrug*

And I believe have some understanding of what the UN is(or once was).

[Dakar]

Who said it was cute?

[Sky Captain]

I'm being sarcastic.
The world comes across as accepting of his crap. It's "cute".

Hey, where are the riots over the murder of the Nun?

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

I'm being sarcastic.

And ridiculous.

[Sky Captain]

Hardly.
It seems there's a double standard with the media.
And the world.

[Dakar]

I can't remember the last time the media protested the leader of a christian ruled nation opening with a prayer at the UN.

[Sky Captain]

But there is the time the media didn't cover the original topic.

And you're twisting my words.
Media protesting. Sheesh.
I'm ridiculous?

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

I'm being sarcastic.
The world comes across as accepting of his crap. It's "cute".

Hey, where are the riots over the murder of the Nun?

Um its called diplomacy. The UN is a forum for all countries of the world which allows everyone to express their views. I highly doubt the vast majority of the other countries at the UN endorse Iran's view, yet they do the polite thing and listen.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

But there is the time the media didn't cover the original topic.

And you're twisting my words.
Media protesting. Sheesh.
I'm ridiculous?

Protesting, hub-bub, whatever it is you're accusing them of not doing.

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

But there is the time the media didn't cover the original topic.

And you're twisting my words.
Media protesting. Sheesh.
I'm ridiculous?

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I haven't been keeping up with the coverage, so I have no idea if CNN (or whatever media you deem as counting) covered the protest or not.


IMO Israel hosting a protest about Iran or somehow linking Iran to the kidnapping to the 2 israeli soldiers is LESS newsworthy than Chavez calling Bush the devil

If anything, Chavez took the thunder out of anything [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Ahmadinejad could possibly come up with his whole "I can still smell the sulpur" line[/FONT][FONT=Arial]![/FONT]

[Sky Captain]

Originally Posted by Nicko

Um its called diplomacy. The UN is a forum for all countries of the world which allows everyone to express their views. I highly doubt the vast majority of the other countries at the UN endorse Iran's view, yet they do the polite thing and listen.

Except I'm not talking about the UN.
I'm talking about the double standard of the "media".

[marden]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

I do NOT want to "close ranks and gain solidarity" with your paranoid, xenophobic ideas and rampant anti-Islamism. I'll take my chance on believing most peoples of most nations are decent and not concerned with global imposition of their religious faith on the rest of the world.

After listening to his speech the terminally naive might think Iran wasn't the leading terrorist exporter or that their president wasn't a religious nut ball who helped kidnap Americans for more than a year, led a crackdown on student dissidents, prays to summon a long dead Imam back to life, who denies the holocaust, vows death to the USA, to wipe Israel off the map, lied about his country's nuclear program to get closer to producing nukes and believes in persecuting Jews.

(Are you that naive or does that description tell you he's just your kind of guy?)

But most people, thankfully, see through his charade and recognize the threat he poses to the world.

You can stay out of the ranks.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dork.

I wonder who is instrumental in spearheading the "covert and overt methods" to heighten insecurity in Iraq?

According to him.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by marden

After listening to his speech the terminally naive might think Iran wasn't the leading terrorist exporter or that their president wasn't a religious nut ball who helped kidnap Americans for more than a year, led a crackdown on student dissidents, prays to summon a long dead Imam back to life, who denies the holocaust, vows death to the USA, to wipe Israel off the map, lied about his country's nuclear program to get closer to producing nukes and believes in persecuting Jews.

(Are you that naive or does that description tell you he's just your kind of guy?)

But most people, thankfully, see through his charade and recognize the threat he poses to the world.

You can stay out of the ranks.

Umm, it is possible to be opposed to BOTH the ridiculousness of Ahmadenijad and your personal world-view. I think you are both lunatics and do not think either one of oyu have any ideas worth merit.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Nicko

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I haven't been keeping up with the coverage, so I have no idea if CNN (or whatever media you deem as counting) covered the protest or not.

A Google news search on "Israel rally UN" or similar terms only brings back a few hits, mostly from Jewish agencies.

[marden]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Umm, it is possible to be opposed to BOTH the ridiculousness of Ahmadenijad and your personal world-view. I think you are both lunatics and do not think either one of oyu have any ideas worth merit.

Do I hear something squeaking from outside the ranks? Sorry, what was that? I can't hear you.

[Dakar]

Turn your hearing aid up.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Turn your hearing aid up.

His cries to join in the closed ranks will fall on deaf ears.

[itai195]

Originally Posted by marden

The left wing media didn't want to give her the coverage because she is trying to appeal to the right and the right didn't want to give her the coverage because she's Hillary? That's a joke. The right wing media doesn't play that game.

If you ask me, the MSM in the US doesn't like to cover anything related to Israel/Palestine unless they absolutely have to -- e.g. when there's violence. And they don't even do a good job of that. Americans don't like to hear about it IMO.

[Nicko]

From a quick google I found this on washington post:

"The rally near the United Nations, one of several being held around the United States this week, was intended to support Israel during escalating Mideast violence. Organizers estimated the crowd at 10,000."

Uh...10,000 people at a protest is hardly newsworthy.

These days you need atleast 50,000-100,000 for a protest to even get a mention.

[marden]

Originally Posted by itai195

If you ask me, the MSM in the US doesn't like to cover anything related to Israel/Palestine unless they absolutely have to -- e.g. when there's violence. And they don't even do a good job of that. Americans don't like to hear about it IMO.

I hadn't thought of that but that's a very interesting point. Israeli/Palestinian sensory overload.

A situation that isn't due to be solved easily or soon and always frustrates.

Your observation makes a great deal of sense.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by marden

His cries to join in the closed ranks will fall on deaf ears.

Closed ranks?

[marden]

Originally Posted by Nicko

From a quick google I found this on washington post:

"The rally near the United Nations, one of several being held around the United States this week, was intended to support Israel during escalating Mideast violence. Organizers estimated the crowd at 10,000."

Uh...10,000 people at a protest is hardly newsworthy.

These days you need atleast 50,000-100,000 for a protest to even get a mention.

I heard a right wing radio talker mention it yesterday and today I looked for it and found nothing. And I searched every way I could think of.

From now on I'm going to pay attention to what protests make it to our eyes & ears.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Closed ranks?

Originally Posted by marden

We ned to stop being so hard on our liberal brothers. We have Saudis making huge donations to our finest universities to influence Americans. We have Chavez making grand gestures of benevolence to America's poor to help with their heating bills. We have non-violent inroads being paved into the fiber of America by radical individuals and organizations to win the hearts and minds of Americans.

They are trying to beat us at our own game.

Where we entered Iraq and used violence to try to win the hearts and minds of the people we are having a hard time.

But they will boast they captured America and there was no violence and our people followed them willingly.

Ahmadinejad and Chavez and many of the other non-aligned states are working together to defeat us and if we continually attack our fellow Americans it will only help the enemy. We need to close ranks and gain solidarity.

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

I do NOT want to "close ranks and gain solidarity" with your paranoid, xenophobic ideas and rampant anti-Islamism. I'll take my chance on believing most peoples of most nations are decent and not concerned with global imposition of their religious faith on the rest of the world.

Close ranks.

[Dakar]

I think I'm gonna side with DC on this one.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dakar

I think I'm gonna side with DC on this one.

For sport or on principle?

[Dakar]

Because I agree with what he said.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Because I agree with what he said.

You like the idea of some asswipe who vows death to the USA to come here with his dickwad buddy, Chavez and insult our President and try to buy our allegiance with his cheap oil?

Are you an American? Do you love America?

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by marden

You like the idea of some asswipe who vows death to the USA to come here with his dickwad buddy, Chavez and insult our President and try to buy our allegiance with his cheap oil?

Are you an American? Do you love America?

With what DC said.