[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

What? If you attack the guy and he uses a gun to fend you off, that's the definition of defense.

my point is it's a 2 way street... i could attack the guy with a gun as well

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Sirhan Sirhan said he shot RFK because of his support for Israel in the Six Day War.

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Which would make him a conservative.

No, it makes him antisemitic.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

No, it makes him antisemitic.

So he's also antisemetic.

[finboy]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

"Physician throwing softballs to Jackson not a physician at all"

Turns out a woman who claimed she's been a physician for 4 years is lying through her teeth.


Is this the astro-turf everyone's talking about?

Yeah, that's what we can expect. Astroturfing at its finest.

Keep in mind that usually when the Lefties blather on about something the Right is doing, they've already perfected the mechanism themselves. Same here.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Sirhan Sirhan was a hardcore conservative.

Sirhan was a convservative? Says whom? Very doubtful. He was pissed off over RK's strong support of Israel - which in my book made Bobby a stronger conservative than many on the scene today. But how can you make such a claim about Sirhan?

[ort888]

Sounds to me like Sirhan Sirhan was a Jew hating loon. Not sure it's fair to assign him a political label much less try to blame the killing on it.

I think what it boils down to is that it's human nature to look at something crazy, or negative, and lump it in with the value system you feel opposed to.

Someone shot up a school? Must have been his liberal/conservative tendencies that led him to those actions.

A liberal will associate those actions with conservatism and a conservative will associate his actions with liberalism.

The truth is that these people are just loons. Neither conservatism nor liberalism are inherently wrong, nor do either way of thinking lead to violence or violent behavior when sane people are involved.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Sounds to me like Sirhan Sirhan was a Jew hating loon. Not sure it's fair to assign him a political label much less try to blame the killing on it.

I think what it boils down to is that it's human nature to look at something crazy, or negative, and lump it in with the value system you feel opposed to.

Someone shot up a school? Must have been his liberal/conservative tendencies that led him to those actions.

A liberal will associate those actions with conservatism and a conservative will associate his actions with liberalism.

The truth is that these people are just loons. Neither conservatism nor liberalism are inherently wrong, nor do either way of thinking lead to violence or violent behavior when sane people are involved.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

I thought Lee Harvey Oswald was a conservative?

Yes, being a Marxist, Communist, pro-Castro, trying to kill a conservative general (before he killed JFK) are all hallmarks of conservatives..... BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sirhan Sirhan was a hardcore conservative.

Sirhan grew up in the US- no bullshit version of ME vs. US liberal/conservative applies to him before you attempt that tact. So of course...
...pro-Palestinian, violently anti-Israel, violently Arab-nationalist are all hallmarks of US conservatives... BWHAHAHAHAHA!!

Thanks for the laughs, liberal Opposite-World on full display is truly entertaining.

[hyteckit]

Lee Harvey Oswald? WTH are we talking about him?

Anyway, back to carrying guns at town-halls when the President is around.

I don't see anything wrong about that. It's not the President is at risk of being shot by someone who might want to kill him.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Sounds to me like Sirhan Sirhan was a Jew hating loon. Not sure it's fair to assign him a political label much less try to blame the killing on it.

I think what it boils down to is that it's human nature to look at something crazy, or negative, and lump it in with the value system you feel opposed to.

Someone shot up a school? Must have been his liberal/conservative tendencies that led him to those actions.

A liberal will associate those actions with conservatism and a conservative will associate his actions with liberalism.

This is all fine and good, except I notice that many on the left side of the aisle are quick to wet themselves over a conservative with a gun, quick to jump in with goofy stereotypes, and quick to pretend its a conservative more likely to be some threat to the President or anyone else.

Meanwhile, it's just highly interesting that as it turns out, it's leftwingers with guns that turn out to be the most dangerous, IN REALITY, not in someone's strange liberal Opposite World. I'm sure you may be able to find a right-wing assassin or two, but there's certainly no shortage of leftwingers. And as mentioned before, the left might have more room to talk when someone makes a freakin' movie about assassinating the current pres, as libs did with the last. Facts are pesky things for the left, as usual.

Of course anyone who would use a gun to shoot someone else in cold blood can be called 'crazy'- but then, that's part of the point. I see little reason to believe a conservative with a gun will go crazy and shoot someone, despite the state-run media's fervent desire to paint such a picture. Meanwhile, crazy leftists have taken more than their fair share of shots at political opponents. It's just the latest Pot.Kettle.Black nonsense.

Leftists love to pretend that 'gun nut' automatically = some hick living in a conservative area of a red state. They also love to assume it = "racist" -and as proven by the report Chongo linked to, will even try and manufacture it. But rarely do they acknowledge the gangbanger 'gun nut' living in the bluest/Democrat/nothing Republican in sight/ section of the bluest states with a sky high local crime/murder rate that likely prompted the red-state 'gun nut' to buy his gun in the first freakin' place.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

This is all fine and good, except I notice that many on the left side of the aisle are quick to wet themselves over a conservative with a gun, quick to jump in with goofy stereotypes, and quick to pretend its a conservative more likely to be some threat to the President or anyone else.

Meanwhile, it's just highly interesting that as it turns out, it's leftwingers with guns that turn out to be the most dangerous, IN REALITY, not in someone's strange liberal Opposite World. I'm sure you may be able to find a right-wing assassin or two, but there's certainly no shortage of leftwingers. And as mentioned before, the left might have more room to talk when someone makes a freakin' movie about assassinating the current pres, as libs did with the last. Facts are pesky things for the left, as usual.

Of course anyone who would use a gun to shoot someone else in cold blood can be called 'crazy'- but then, that's part of the point. I see little reason to believe a conservative with a gun will go crazy and shoot someone, despite the state-run media's fervent desire to paint such a picture. Meanwhile, crazy leftists have taken more than their fair share of shots at political opponents. It's just the latest Pot.Kettle.Black nonsense.

As a proud NRA member, I say your arguments are ridiculous.

An armed society is a polite society.

Saying leftwingers with guns are more than dangerous than conservatives with guns is just advocating gun control based on political views.

I say the more people armed the better, whether or not they are nuts and regardless of their political views.


When don't want to have to take a political view test and psychologic test just to buy guns now do we?

[ort888]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

Meanwhile, it's just highly interesting that as it turns out, it's leftwingers with guns that turn out to be the most dangerous,

This statement is just flat out ridiculous. One guy on here makes a dubious list of 6 or 7 people who he considers liberal assassins and now it's almost always liberals who so this sort of thing? It's just nonsensical and it's a statement that is just dripping with blind irrational hatred.


The bottom line is that many of you have a complete hatred of all things associated with liberalism and you are starting to sound like a collection of bitter crazies. It's always us vs them and good vs evil.

So much hatred and negativity. It's almost comical.

[ort888]

Also, gang bangers don't vote. They are not political. Give me a break. People keep calling gang bangers the liberal gun nuts, but what makes a gang banger a liberal? The fat that they are black and live in a city? How many gangbangers do you think are registered to vote? Seriuosly.

[Snow-i]

Originally Posted by ort888 

This statement is just flat out ridiculous. One guy on here makes a dubious list of 6 or 7 people who he considers liberal assassins and now it's almost always liberals who so this sort of thing? It's just nonsensical and it's a statement that is just dripping with blind irrational hatred.


The bottom line is that many of you have a complete hatred of all things associated with liberalism and you are starting to sound like a collection of bitter crazies. It's always us vs them and good vs evil.

So much hatred and negativity. It's almost comical.

Comical in a very sad way.

Unfortunately it is a trait of our society as a whole, and is not just limited to one side or the other. Their is political blindness coming from everywhere. I fear that the two party system ("us vs them") will ultimately be our downfall.

[Chongo]

The one thing everyone failed to notice is how nobody panicked because there was a brother with an AR15.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

my point is it's a 2 way street... i could attack the guy with a gun as well

So your great revelation is that it's possible to attack someone with a gun?

[ironknee]

so the question is, if you love guns so much why not join the army where you can use as many guns as you want AND use it on humans?

let the excuses roll

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

so the question is, if you love guns so much why not join the army where you can use as many guns as you want AND use it on humans?

let the excuses roll

Because I don't want to support a NATIONALIZE defense program. That's socialism.

I don't want the government telling me what to do. If I join the army, the government tells me what to do and if I refuse, I go to jail.

[hyteckit]

Idaho GOP leader pulls out a gun on homeowner for falling behind on mortgage payments. Haha..

Idaho GOP leader who helped spur coup arrested | Idaho | Idaho Statesman

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

so the question is, if you love guns so much why not join the army where you can use as many guns as you want AND use it on humans?

let the excuses roll

My guns, and whether I'm carrying one, are really none of your damned business... that is unless you go nuts and start attacking people with a bat or a knife, then I'll have to put you down. I'm a great shot though, so it'll be over quickly.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

My guns, and whether I'm carrying one, are really none of your damned business... that is unless you go nuts and start attacking people with a bat or a knife, then I'll have to put you down. I'm a great shot though, so it'll be over quickly.

did you answer the question?

also what if i don't have a bat or a knife but a gun?

[hyteckit]

I put a pesky teenage kid down for attacking me with peaches.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

also what if i don't have a bat or a knife but a gun?

That's... well that's just nuts.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

did you answer the question?

also what if i don't have a bat or a knife but a gun?

Then you're still dead, only I wouldn't try to talk sense into you first.

[AKcrab]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Because I don't want to support a NATIONALIZE defense program. That's socialism.

So you support terrorists. Yay you.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Then you're still dead, only I wouldn't try to talk sense into you first.

ok but the original question was , if you love guns so much why not join the army where you can use as many guns as you want AND use it on humans?

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

That's... well that's just nuts.

explain please

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by AKcrab 

So you support terrorists. Yay you.

Just because I don't support socialism, does mean I support terrorist.

Are you suggesting those who attended the tea party rally against tax, are supporters of terrorists? Where do you think the government gets money for national defense? TAXES!

Are you suggesting those who attend the townhall meetings rallying against the nationalization of health-care, are supporters of terrorists?

We don't need the government involved in paying professionals to save American lives against foreign agents, whether these foreign agents humans or micro-organisms.

We have private companies and insurance companies for that. Want to stay safe and healthy? Just pay insurance money. Or protection money some would call it.

We should privatize national security to companies like Black Water. It's not like they would go around shooting people for fun and demanding protection money.

Socializing life saving programs such as national defense and national health-care is bad.


Using my tax dollars to pay for life saving program is stupid.

Why should I pay taxes to local government for fire-fighters, 911 services, and police officers when I never used them? Why should I pay the fire-fighter to put out the fire on someone else's home? Or for police offers just so they can harass me?

Who needs police officers anyway? Just give everyone a gun.

An armed society is a polite society. Just arm everyone with a gun and there won't be a need for the police.


No to NATIONALIZE programs. No to SOCIALISM!


OBAMA --> JOKER --> SOCIALISM

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

did you answer the question?

also what if i don't have a bat or a knife but a gun?

TIP: Assume the person you are planning to rob has a gun. So shoot shaddim in the back so he doesn't know what's coming. Then steal his money. That's how it's done here in LA. Didn't you learn this in robbery school? It's robbery 101.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

explain please

You framed the question as if carrying a legally registered gun is an offensive measure when in reality it is a defensive measure. A person carrying a legally registered gun is not necessarily interested in rooting out and combating criminals. It is merely a means of leveling the playing field against the illegally armed criminal.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Idaho GOP leader pulls out a gun on homeowner for falling behind on mortgage payments. Haha..

Idaho GOP leader who helped spur coup arrested | Idaho | Idaho Statesman

From the article: Lutes confronted McAffee, becoming increasingly hostile, Davidson said. When Lutes struck McAffee's Ford Escort with his hand, McAffee brandished the weapon to de-escalate the conflict, Davidson said.

"The conversation wasn't going anywhere, the guy smacked the car window. At that point, he (McAffee) felt threatened enough, he picked up the firearm in front of the seat that he carries for protection. The nature of the job is, you're going to run into some unhappy people."

I love this... "I'm just an old helpless guy" routine. "Yeah, I mean I followed him out to his car and started pounding on his window thinking I was going to bully the shxx out of the guy, but when he pulled a gun on me I realized how old and helpless I was."

Deadbeat resident to sue someone so he can pay his mortgage. News at 11.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

ok but the original question was , if you love guns so much why not join the army where you can use as many guns as you want AND use it on humans?

This obsession you have with the military being filled with wanton killers is serious, you should probably seek help. Your perceptions are outrageous, to say the least. >98% of people who join the armed forces never shoot at anyone. They help protect the country, and the world as a whole, you should learn that.

Also, what's with the idiocy regarding wanting to use a gun to hurt people? I don't want to shoot anyone, but it's a matter of protection. If I have to draw and fire upon someone I will, but it's nothing I look forward to. I know that's probably difficult for you to comprehend.

[ironknee]

not to offend but playing with guns seems very childish

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

not to offend but playing with guns seems very childish

Really? I was thinking that it's childish to bitch about qualified people carrying them.

[besson3c]

One could argue that somebody who is dumb enough to bring a weapon like that to a town hall is not "qualified" to own a firearm in terms of being intellectually fit, but I guess that's a different story...

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

not to offend but playing with guns seems very childish

I promise I won't carry a gun if you promise not to post here. Deal?

Everything's childish.

[Shaddim]

Personally, I wouldn't carry such a weapon into a meeting like that, but that's just a personal choice. Shotguns are better for crowd control.

[besson3c]

Your butt is childish!

[besson3c]

Shaddim: and you could honestly say that you'd be comfortable with your kids around some stranger with a shotgun in an environment that is known to bring out politically extreme personalities?

[ort888]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

My guns, and whether I'm carrying one, are really none of your damned business... that is unless you go nuts and start attacking people with a bat or a knife, then I'll have to put you down. I'm a great shot though, so it'll be over quickly.

You sound real cool. Tell me more about your guns and how good of a shot you are.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Shaddim: and you could honestly say that you'd be comfortable with your kids around some stranger with a shotgun in an environment that is known to bring out politically extreme personalities?

Shaddim: this is basically my point. Another way of looking at it is what is appropriate for the venue at hand. While you have the right to tote your guns wherever, obviously you would think twice about bringing some terrifying large weapon to your church with you (if you attend), or to a funeral or something (or if you want to use a non-gun related example, showing up in ripped jeans, a t-shirt, and a beer hat to somebody's wedding). Something like this is socially inappropriate, and inconsiderate to others who would feel uncomfortable about the presence of these weapons in what is socially the wrong environment for this sort of stuff.

To me, toting weapons to this sort of event is simply socially inappropriate, and trust me, this has nothing to do with how I feel about Republicans or Democrats. You can bet your ass that I'd be saying the same stuff no matter whose Town Hall dealy we are talking about here.

Changing the topic a bit, I read that some woman created Sarah Palin a nice little embroidered tote bag for her gun with the word "Sarah" on it. Does this just seem wrong to any of you? I don't mean wrong as in morally wrong, but just a little demented? Firstly, by making handicraft stuff like this for politicians, but also something this nice and sweet-old-lady-like for a gun? I think of these sorts of bags for sewing pins or tic tacs or something, not for guns. Am I weird?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by ort888 

This statement is just flat out ridiculous. One guy on here makes a dubious list of 6 or 7 people who he considers liberal assassins and now it's almost always liberals who so this sort of thing? It's just nonsensical and it's a statement that is just dripping with blind irrational hatred.

So where's your list of right-wing political assassins?

I love this about the left, it's sooo predictable. It's always the same.

Leftists crow on about some irrational fear: "Oh my god!!! Rightwingers with guns! Oh boo hoo! Hicks! Hayseeds! Cletus! Blah! Blah! Oh noes, people are crazy someone will shoot the prez! Oh boo hoo!" Links to the MSN 100% fabricating a 'threat' that doesn't exist, and creating a race issue that doesn't exist, etc. etc...


Then it's pointed out that actually Presidents have had a hell of a lot more to fear from crazy leftwingers than any crazy rightwingers- pretty much exactly the opposite as all your handwringing.

Then suddenly: What's all this left vs. right? Left? The left doesn't exist! Why, whatever are you talking about? Leftwing? Never heard of it? This guy who was a marxist- he's a conservative! Anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian? CLEARLY a conservative! Up is down! Black is white! The left doesn't exist! How dare anyone bring up the left! Boo hoo!!"

So predictable.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Also, gang bangers don't vote.

Says who?

They are not political. Give me a break. People keep calling gang bangers the liberal gun nuts, but what makes a gang banger a liberal? The fat that they are black and live in a city?

All gang-bangers are black? A bit of liberal racism on display there, or just typical ignorance?

Gangbangers themselves don't have to be 'liberals'- they thrive in areas that are under the complete control of liberals, with liberal policies and ideas in full effect, and where you'd be hard pressed to find anything 'conservative' or Republican anywhere in sight.

Once again, see how defensive you are over the facts? You'll blather on for days about Republicans, white hillbillies with guns, but the second it's pointed out that the most heavily Democratic sections of many cities (YES, doofus, where people actually know how to VOTE also!) are piled high with guns and often have sky-high murder rates, you blow a gaskit.

Are you aware what the murder rate is in Washington D.C. itself? Let me guess- you think no one votes there.

How many gangbangers do you think are registered to vote? Seriuosly.

How many do you know that aren't registered to vote?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Shaddim: and you could honestly say that you'd be comfortable with your kids around some stranger with a shotgun in an environment that is known to bring out politically extreme personalities?

You missed it. It sailed right by, but you were too busy looking at the chick in the red dress.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by ort888 

You sound real cool. Tell me more about your guns and how good of a shot you are.

That's correct, I'm much cooler than you can imagine.

[ort888]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

So where's your list of right-wing political assassins?

I love this about the left, it's sooo predictable. It's always the same.

Leftists crow on about some irrational fear: "Oh my god!!! Rightwingers with guns! Oh boo hoo! Hicks! Hayseeds! Cletus! Blah! Blah! Oh noes, people are crazy someone will shoot the prez! Oh boo hoo!" Links to the MSN 100% fabricating a 'threat' that doesn't exist, and creating a race issue that doesn't exist, etc. etc...

When did I go on about any of these things? Are we a ****ing hive mind?

Then it's pointed out that actually Presidents have had a hell of a lot more to fear from crazy leftwingers than any crazy rightwingers- pretty much exactly the opposite as all your handwringing.

This is dubious at best. I could easily make a list of several armed right wingers who attempted to assassinate politicians and/or committed acts of violence. But I'm not going to because it's not worth my time. It also has nothing to do with my point, that political leanings do not lead one to violence.

Then suddenly: What's all this left vs. right? Left? The left doesn't exist! Why, whatever are you talking about? Leftwing? Never heard of it? This guy who was a marxist- he's a conservative! Anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian? CLEARLY a conservative! Up is down! Black is white! The left doesn't exist! How dare anyone bring up the left! Boo hoo!!"

Marxism is not liberalism. There is some overlap but it's not the same. Al Queda is a very conservative-minded organization as well. Should I just lump them in with conservatives? Give me a break.


You guys seem to be putting some words into my mouths. Here are the statements I standby.

If you bring an assault rifle to a healthcare rally where the president is, you are a dumbass.
Political assassins are mentally insane, and it's not fair to associate them with a political party.

[Snow-i]

Originally Posted by ort888 

You guys seem to be putting some words into my mouths. Here are the statements I standby.

If you bring an assault rifle to a healthcare rally where the president is, you are a dumbass.
Political assassins are mentally insane, and it's not fair to associate them with a political party.

Noted and agreed, wholeheartedly.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by ort888 

When did I go on about any of these things? Are we a ****ing hive mind?

You're the one assuming everything is about you.

This is dubious at best. I could easily make a list of several armed right wingers who attempted to assassinate politicians and/or committed acts of violence.

We're talking Presidential assassinations, since the big shine from the left is that Obama someone how something to fear. So go for it. Let's see the list.

Marxism is not liberalism.

I said leftwing, not liberalism. Learn to read.

If you bring an assault rifle to a healthcare rally where the president is, you are a dumbass.

If it's legal, who cares? You can kill just as many people, possibly more, with an automobile. Should those be outlawed too?

Political assassins are mentally insane

That's a stupid statement because it assumes one must be insane to assassinate or murder someone. Nothing could be further from the truth. The laws we live under make that perfectly clear, as an insanity plea doesn't always hold, and the real motives for why people kill other people is as complex and varied as human nature itself.

and it's not fair to associate them with a political party.

Riiiight. No one would possibly try and assassinate a politician for political reasons.

Like I said, it's funny how you only make such assertions after it being pointed out that leftists have a long and sordid history of political assassination.

[ironknee]

btw, what are you "defending" against?

do you live in a high crime area?

do you live near wild animals?

crazy ex girlfriend?

the government?

[besson3c]

ironknee: I have these constant fears that everybody wants to rape me. They consume me.

P.S. do you know if they make shock collars for penises?