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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton
[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]I wish I could describe a little better why I didn't consider it to be great....but I've been struggling on this one. Obviously, the villain...I don't know...simply didn't draw me in. Yes, Bardem played him gleefully over-the-top, but then for most of the movie he was just an angry guy with a gun who apparently was smart with computerz....nothing special there. [/SPOILER]
Yep, I couldn't put my finger on it but something was off. Was he too sedate? I thought he was more bitter than angry. He lacked ...edge? HIs best scene was probably the one with the shot glass.
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Yeah, you're right - definitely off somehow, but I've found it hard to pinpoint why.
[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]And other than the one gross-out shot, there was never any backstory to really explain why he ended up the way he did - his maniacal obsession was just simply "there", just like the deserted island was simply "there" (too bad IMO, great set potential wasted), just like his hacker skillz were simply "there", and so on. (For example, can someone explain to me the benefit of allowing himself to get caught, just so he could access the MI-6 servers and escape to go kill M? What did I miss? Why not just go to London and kill M directly? I suspect that I missed something there but I don't know what it was.) [/SPOILER]
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton
Yeah, you're right - definitely off somehow, but I've found it hard to pinpoint why.
[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]And other than the one gross-out shot, there was never any backstory to really explain why he ended up the way he did - his maniacal obsession was just simply "there", just like the deserted island was simply "there" (too bad IMO, great set potential wasted), just like his hacker skillz were simply "there", and so on. (For example, can someone explain to me the benefit of allowing himself to get caught, just so he could access the MI-6 servers and escape to go kill M? What did I miss? Why not just go to London and kill M directly? I suspect that I missed something there but I don't know what it was.) [/SPOILER]
His obsession was because he was betrayed by M. The fact that he was her Golden Boy (self-perceived or not) was what made his vendetta so personal.
I don't know if he wanted to be caught or he merely had a contingency plan, but it seems like since it was personal, he wanted to see MI6 in ruins and for M to see/know it was him doing it.
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In response to why didn't he just go kill M: Why hasn't ANY villain just shot James Bond? Answer that and you'll have your answer to why he didn't just find her and kill her instead of toying with her/MI6. Isn't this sort of the point of a Bond film? There are always unbelievable/WTF plot moments in Bond films but you just have to smile and carry on.
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I certainly don't care. On the scale of things that bothered me about the move that ranked pretty low. Elaborate convoluted plans are par for the course.
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Well, yeah, but you can't say that they do not generally have a purpose; they're overly convoluted, but generally have some sort of point.
[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]In this one, he apparently deliberately lets Bond kidnap him, so that he can be imprisoned in the MI6 headquarters and say hello to M, then hack their network, then escape........so he can go to kill M at a public hearing? I mean.....I couldn't figure out a point to any of that. What did hacking the network get him? There were a couple important scenes about the network being hacked....where did that plotline go? Then it sort of just shifted to them gunning for M, and that seemed to be the last we heard of that whole angle, no? Unless the "feeding him information" was tied into that, but it wasn't, really.[/SPOILER]
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton
Well, yeah, but you can't say that they do not generally have a purpose; they're overly convoluted, but generally have some sort of point.
[SPOILER=Warning: Spoiler!]In this one, he apparently deliberately lets Bond kidnap him, so that he can be imprisoned in the MI6 headquarters and say hello to M, then hack their network, then escape........so he can go to kill M at a public hearing? I mean.....I couldn't figure out a point to any of that. What did hacking the network get him? There were a couple important scenes about the network being hacked....where did that plotline go? Then it sort of just shifted to them gunning for M, and that seemed to be the last we heard of that whole angle, no? Unless the "feeding him information" was tied into that, but it wasn't, really.[/SPOILER]
Heh, this a rough subject because this is exactly where the movie started going off the rails for me. Not the elaborate ruse, but that his entire plan hinges on the incredibly savvy head of the tech branch plugging an unsecured foreign laptop right into their network. I mean, come the **** on.
I assumed hacking the network was to do exactly what it did at face value – let him escape. The better question about how he planned to kill M – at the end the movie you see he wanted some kind of dual suicide; How the hell does he achieve that at the hearing? Maybe he'd kidnap her to do it somewhere else.
(This is where we meander into the next thing that irritated me – as soon as there was a threat on M it was Tanner's job to get her out of there whether she liked it or not. Second to that, let's say he too cowed to do his job, MI6 security would have been scrambled to her location regardless, right?)
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I see I'm not the only one who found something missing from the latest Bond movie. I wouldn't even rate it as good. It was okay, maybe. But I've found other Bond films alot better. Casino Royale was alot better.
I always thought I'd seriously watch any Bond film more than once (hell, I've seen some 4-5 times, and I'd see them again), but this one will not be one of them. It left me bored and wanting more. No WOW factor. No danger - tell me when Bond was in danger in this film? They keep this up and they may lose their fans.
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Finally got to see it. Fun, for what it is. Strangely, I didn't mind the convoluted, weird, plot and the somewhat insane computer graphics, but there were some small scenes that made it hard for me to suspend disbelief.
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Everlasting ammunition for the baddie in the initial chase.
Bond had a clear shot on Silva on several occasions. He never takes it. WTF? Example, in the underground. "I hope that wasn't for me." Stop gabbering and shoot already. You've got a 00 number for a reason.
Genius computer whizz plugs a laptop of dubious origin straight into the network, infecting it. Really?
The gamekeeper. No gamekeeper worth his salt, and experienced going up against poachers, would ever use a torch. Torches are good for one thing only, ruining your night vision.
Speaking of night vision, Silva turns away from the flaming, burning, inferno of Skyfall and instantly sees the tiny torch in the far distance on the moor. Sure, that's gonna happen.
The final kill. A knife like that will almost always fly handle first. Throwing knifes are balanced differently.
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All of this proves one thing: I am turning into a pedantic old man, obsessed with the details. Sigh.
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Finally saw it. It was watchable, but forgettable.
Changing Q from a quartermaster to a computer hacker was a terrible choice, and all the hacker lingo irritated the hell out of me.
And wasn't it convenient that Bond just happened to catch up to Silva right where Silva planted a bomb so he could drop a train on Bond's head? Lots of moments like that.
Something that was bugging me: a great deal of Quantum of Solace is based around a mysterious organization that is dogging MI6. I thought they were gonna wrap that up.
And what sort of institution lets trained field operatives self-demote into secretaries?
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The Q "update" was one of my favorite parts.
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Yeah, I like the Q update. The old gizmo Q would be irrelevant in today's world. They do need to get the lingo, and graphics, right next time though.
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