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stevesnj · Apr 29, 2007, 07:17 PM

He's back! August 3rd release

teaser The Bourne Ultimatum - Official Website - In Theaters August 3, 2007 under the 'intel' link

SpaceMonkey · Apr 29, 2007, 07:46 PM

Woot.

I was very disappointed when they departed so much from the original book in the first movie, but since they went for the whole trilogy, I'm very glad that they did. "Supremacy" and "Ultimatium" were barely average as novels, IMHO.

nonhuman · Apr 29, 2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

Woot.

I was very disappointed when they departed so much from the original book in the first movie, but since they went for the whole trilogy, I'm very glad that they did. "Supremacy" and "Ultimatium" were barely average as novels, IMHO.

Agreed.

sknapp351 · Apr 29, 2007, 08:37 PM

I happened upon some filming of a scene of this in NYC. Didn't get to see Matt Damon though. No crashing cars either. No luck.
SAm

invisibleX · Apr 29, 2007, 11:49 PM

Looking forward to it.

Tenacious Dyl · Apr 30, 2007, 12:09 AM

My cousin works in New York City and also just saw parts of it being filmed. He mentioned seeing a driver with a rig set up on top of a car, with the actor inside the car, pretending to drive... sounded pretty cool, anyone else seen / heard of this?

Kevin · Apr 30, 2007, 07:02 AM

I can't wait. I've liked all these movies. I am sure I'll be impressed.

Super Mario · 03:57 PM

Not for me. When I see Matt Damon I don't see a person who is trained to kill. I see a testicleless cheese eating goody from Harvard.

I had enough problem believing the blond pink-skinned guy with no eyebrows who behaves like John McClane and needs a young woman to teach him how to dress is the new James Bond.

Kevin · Apr 30, 2007, 09:38 AM

That last Bond was the best Bond film in decades.

wolfen · Apr 30, 2007, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

That last Bond was the best Bond film in decades.

I'll 2nd that tangent. They stopped copycatting the thing to death and strove for some originality. (I mean the atmosphere and tone)

My wife has always found the Bond films to be a waste. I point this out because this Bond may have actually gained the interest of a new audience without losing the previous audience. She thoroughly enjoyed it and we hope the next film can deliver the same texture.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 10:01 AM

I keep hearing its great and I keep not being able to get past Daniel Craig and actually watch it.

Laminar · Apr 30, 2007, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

That last Bond was the best Bond film in decades.

Not a chance. He uses like one gadget and drives his car for 30 seconds before wrecking it. Great spy movie? Sure. Bond movie? No way.

MindFad · Apr 30, 2007, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

That last Bond was the best Bond film in decades.

For serious, without question, IMO. I absolutely loved it—thought it was definitely one of the better Bond movies, and Craig one of my favorite Bonds. Can't wait for more.

Also really enjoyed the Bourne movies. Ultimatum should be awesome.

olePigeon · Apr 30, 2007, 10:52 AM

I hope it doesn't suck like the second one did.

Super Mario · 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

That last Bond was the best Bond film in decades.

It was the only one James Bond movie ever that made no sense at all to any thinking person who does not fall for Sony's online word of mouth marketing (fake reviews, bribed reviewers, fake PSP blogs, etc).

The terrorists are suicide bombers but they are not Islamic or called Muslim and there isn't a mention of why or what for they should be blowing themselves up for.

Too politically correct. They were not politically correct before. Now they can't mention Islam and James Bond chases that black runner in a fictional country because Sony doesn't want to offend anyone.

Get this. White blond man chases black man in African town. Recipe for death.

James Bond and that villain Demitrios fight each other in the middle of the Body Worlds exhibition. There are people everywhere who can see them. James bond stabs and kills him right there in the middle of the exhibition floor. Nice secret service move.

If the terrorist at the airport knows the password, which is the same password used by the terrorists, for going through the security door that means there are already terrorists at the airport.

Why was Miami airport busy at 1AM in the morning?

Who unveils a new airplane to the press at 1AM in the morning?

James Bond is going to bankrupt Le Chiffre by playing poker with him. James Bond's money is going to be wired electronically to the casino account. So what did Vesper go there for if all she did was annoy him from the moment they meet? A poker player must keep his concentration no?

How and why does a 25 year old nagging girl from the Treasury Department know about James Bond's cute ass in the Bahamas?

How and why does a 25 year old nagging girl from the Treasury Department know about James Bond's career as a killer when this is a secret division inside MI6?

When did MI6 start looking like a college laboratory and was full of characterless doctors in white coats? What happened to Ian Fleming's MI6? What did they do to this!

James Bond orders a Martini made of five shots of gin, vodka and vermouth in the middle of a poker game. Does this guy want to lose?

The Martini comes in a normal martini glass that can't hold five shots of alcohol. Twice.

When Bond tastes the Martini he says he thinks it's not bad. He's 39 years old and just had his first James Bond Martini! The same character Ian Fleming created was very experienced with food and drink when much younger.

How do you survive an Aston Martin crash like that without breaking your neck?

Why didn't the casino wire the money back to the original account?

Vesper takes the money out of an Italian bank in Venice. How do you fit $150 million dollars in a briefcase?

When they are fighting in the sinking building in Venice the briefcase falls in the water and the building collapses on it. How did the man in the nice dry suit get the briefcase when that happened and all the other baddies were dead?

This was a crap movie if you think about it a little deeply.

Super Mario · 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Laminar

Not a chance. He uses like one gadget and drives his car for 30 seconds before wrecking it. Great spy movie? Sure. Bond movie? No way.

Not even a good spy movie because the plot problems I mentioned. It was a Die Hard movie.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 11:42 AM

To be fair, you can usually shred most Bond film plots.

Jawbone54 · Apr 30, 2007, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

"Yada, yada, yada..."

IT'S A JAMES BOND MOVIE...

Every single Bond flick is over-the-top and just a tad bit ridiculous. If you went through every 007 movie ever made, you could make a list just like that one (or better). People just get angry about Craig being blond. I'm not really sure how that matters.

I was very surprised by how much I liked Casino Royale. I was a bit hesitant to accept Craig too, but everyone I've talked to really liked the movie, with only one exception: a friend who didn't want to watch a blond Bond.

Although the opening scene was

, the movie didn't have quite as much action as I would've wanted. That's my only complaint. Just a wee bit more guns, please.

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

To be fair, you can usually shred most Bond film plots.

QFT

*high five*

Super Mario · 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

IT'S A JAMES BOND MOVIE...

Every single Bond flick is over-the-top and just a tad bit ridiculous.

Not all of them at all. The others do not have the problem of huge plot logic that Casino Royale has. The book of Casino Royale by Ian Fleming came free with a newspaper before the movie came out. The book is sooo different. It's a real human story without the logic problems the movie has. It has a James Bond who smokes so much, not like Daniel Craig who looks like he lives in the gym. It has a James Bond who knows his drinks well. He doesn't drink at the table. It doesn't have the problem of the electronic money transfer and carrying $150 million in a briefcase. None of the problems of the movie!

Besides they said Casino Royale was going to be realistic because Die Another Day went too crazy. Die Another Day only had one plot logic problem of how a Korean general's son can become a famous English businessman in one year. Casino Royale was less realistic except they put lots of blood over everything.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 12:07 PM

That and hovercrafts can't go over land mines.

And the diamond satellite? I liked it the first time: Diamonds are Forever.

And interrupting genetic resequencing creates albino asians?

Jawbone54 · Apr 30, 2007, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Besides they said Casino Royale was going to be realistic because Die Another Day went too crazy. Die Another Day only had one plot logic problem of how a Korean general's son can become a famous English businessman in one year. Casino Royale was less realistic except they put lots of blood over everything.

And most Bond movies featured a completely different actor for Felix Leiter, with his age, appearance, and race constantly changing...
Bond movies had ridiculous gadgets that couldn't possibly exist, as well as massive headquarters that go into space and submerge beneath the ocean without anyone knowing about it...
Bond sleeps with countless women, never knocks one up (probably because 90% of them die), and generally picks them up by barely blinking...

We could go on forever about this stuff. If it's not plot holes, then it's ridiculous situations and devices.

If you reeeeally put your mind to it, you can find reasons to not like something. i think that's what is happening here.

Super Mario · 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

That and hovercrafts can't go over land mines.

And the diamond satellite? I liked it the first time: Diamonds are Forever.

And interrupting genetic resequencing creates albino asians?

And Halle Berry. How can anyone be so hot in a movie? That's not right. She was better than Eva Green who played what reminded me of a frustrated teenager who was angry with her mom.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 12:17 PM

I do 'em both. Twice.

Super Mario · 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

And most Bond movies featured a completely different actor for Felix Leiter, with his age, appearance, and race constantly changing...Bond movies had ridiculous gadgets.

That's not the point. They all have a consistent story without as many huge plot problems as Casino Royale. If they are fantastical they are sold to the public as fantastical. If they are thrillers they are sold as thrillers. Casino Royale was sold as realistic. It was no more realistic than Roger Moore fighting in space. I like Moonraker better too. Great combination of laughing and action. Awesome last scene (Goodnight?!

)

Bourne just sucks because Matt Damon isn't credible as a man with balls. He has blushing cheeks like a cheese eating nose picking boy who wants his mommy.

Super Mario · 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

I do 'em both. Twice.

I'd do Halle a million times and die doing it.

wolfen · Apr 30, 2007, 12:20 PM

I'd love to see Mario's review of Moonraker.

"ZOMG that guy had metal teef!!!11!"

Laminar · Apr 30, 2007, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Bond movies had ridiculous gadgets that couldn't possibly exist, as well as massive headquarters that go into space and submerge beneath the ocean without anyone knowing about it...

Which totally rock.

Bond sleeps with countless women, never knocks one up (probably because 90% of them die), and generally picks them up by barely blinking...

He. Is. Bond.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Bond sleeps with countless women, never knocks one up (probably because 90% of them die).

Ah, yes, abortion through negligence.

Jawbone54 · Apr 30, 2007, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Laminar

Which totally rock.

He. Is. Bond.

Which I like too...

I was just pointing out that an anal retentive person could have a field day with the Bond movies. I like them for what they are, and I loved Casino Royale.

Jawbone54 · Apr 30, 2007, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Ah, yes, abortion through negligence.

I always thought there was something fishy about the way they all croaked...

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Which I like too...

I was just pointing out that an anal retentive person could have a field day with the Bond movies. I like them for what they are, and I loved Casino Royale.

Let's get besson in here and find out.

Aron Peterson · 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by wolfen

I'd love to see Mario's review of Moonraker.

"ZOMG that guy had metal teef!!!11!"

A positive review

"ZOMG that guy had metal teef!!!11! and totally chewed up sh!7"

Moonraker did rule though.

Aron Peterson · 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Laminar

He. Is. Bond.

In the book of You Only Live Twice he gets a Japanese woman pregnant because he has amnesia and can't remember he is James Bond.

Super Mario · 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by wolfen

I'd love to see Mario's review of Moonraker.

"ZOMG that guy had metal teef!!!11!"

Moonraker is da bomb man!!!!! It's Thunderball in space! It's better than Spaceballs!

Watch this awesomeness and tell me if Casino Royale has anything like it

YouTube - James Bond Jaws moonraker tram fight

haha just love the way they shove him in the lift.

Jawbone54 · Apr 30, 2007, 01:09 PM

"His name is Jaws. He kills people"

The jump is absolutely hilarious.

And lastly, could the girl saying, "Hang on, James," have possibly sounded any more monotone?

Super Mario · 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

"His name is Jaws. He kills people"

The jump is absolutely hilarious.

And lastly, could the girl saying, "Hang on, James," have possibly sounded any more monotone?

I love it when James Bond can be beaten around. Like Oddjob smashing up Sean Connery. Throws him around like a ragdoll or Onatopp squeezing her sexy thights around Brosnan to screw him to death.

The new James Bond reinvention in Casino Royale isn't like that. He can break through walls in the toilet. He can break through walls in the building site. He can run up the side of a crane. He can jump 30 meters from one crane to another one. His body is shaved down smooth like a Superman suit. When he gets cut up or poisoned he's ok with it 5 minutes later. He's not real anymore and I keep hearing "He's so real because he bleeds"

scottiB · Apr 30, 2007, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

James Bond orders a Martini made of five shots of gin, vodka and vermouth in the middle of a poker game. Does this guy want to lose?

The Martini comes in a normal martini glass that can't hold five shots of alcohol. Twice.

When Bond tastes the Martini he says he thinks it's not bad. He's 39 years old and just had his first James Bond Martini! The same character Ian Fleming created was very experienced with food and drink when much younger.

He did not order a martini, nor did he call it one. From here.

The "Vesper" that James Bond orders at Casino Royale is taken from the novel. It consists of three measures (9 ounces) of gin (Gordon's was Bond's choice), one measure (3 ounces) of vodka (Bond preferred a grain vodka be used; e.g. Absolut) and half a measure (1.5 ounces) of Kina Lillet. The ingredients are shaken over ice until cold, served in a cocktail glass with a slice of lemon peel for garnish. Kina Lillet has not been made since 1985 and the modern substitute would be Lillet Blanc, made by the same company, Lillet, based in Podensac, France. This also creates somewhat of an anachronism as the film adaptation of "Casino Royale" is clearly set in the present, where Kina Lillet would no longer be available.

In the movie, he said that he needs to come up for a name for a drink; in the book, it's the "Vesper". While the 13.5 ounces is too much for a martini class, he's served as much of the drink that will fill it.

Super Mario · 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by scottiB

He did not order a martini, nor did he call it one. From here.
In the movie, he said that he needs to come up for a name for a drink; in the book, it's the "Vesper". While the 13.5 ounces is too much for a martini class, he's served as much of the drink that will fill it.

He doesn't order a Martini but it is the same recipe as an extra dry vodka Martini. Extra dry means double gin. A Martini & Rossi is a gin and vermouth ready mixed. If you catch my drift. In the book James bond orders the drink to be served in a deep goblet not a Martini glass. Not during gambling

Another mistake is of course Kina Lillet no longer exists.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 01:29 PM

Welcome to Level 2.

Adam Betts · Apr 30, 2007, 01:36 PM

The Bond Ultimatum thread, this is?

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 01:37 PM

The Bond Impregnation.

Aron Peterson · Apr 30, 2007, 01:44 PM

All this talk of drinks has got me thirsty. Think I'll go out for a pint.

stevesnj · May 2, 2007, 05:25 PM

I think Bourne is Americas 'James Bond' type. And Matt Damon is more believable to me in this role than any other role he has ever done. I hope the series continues and I hope Matt is always Bourne.

angelmb · May 3, 2007, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I think Bourne is Americas 'James Bond' type. And Matt Damon is more believable to me in this role than any other role he has ever done. I hope the series continues and I hope Matt is always Bourne.

I wouldn't compare Bourne with Bond… where are the luxuries, the super cars, all the girls, the tech gizmos…?. Bourne looks way more 'natural', Bond is IMHO just an apology of male chauvinism. So far this is my personal opinion and I indeed respect those who like or enjoy Bond & Bond movies.

Super Mario · 03:50 PM

James Bond = a man

Jason Bourne = a cheese eating frat boy

Kevin · May 3, 2007, 07:05 AM

Mario just got pwnt.

Nicko · May 3, 2007, 09:38 AM

Super Mario - you teach these bastards what a real spy is.

Besides, Bourne doesn't meet girls named Pussy Galore.

Nicko · May 3, 2007, 09:40 AM

and WTF is with dumbing down Casino Royal with bond playing poker??!?