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Nodnarb · Sep 12, 2006, 02:16 PM

Websites up!!!!!

schuey100 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:16 PM

I'm happy with the 80gig iPod. I've been waiting for ages for a new one and now it's released at last! I don't care about watching TV on it so I'm happy.

Stradlater · Sep 12, 2006, 02:16 PM

apple.com updated

TheoCryst · Sep 12, 2006, 02:17 PM

Me needs pix! Hurry up Apple, update the freaking site!

Kerrigan · Sep 12, 2006, 02:17 PM

Apple.com is finally updated

Nodnarb · Sep 12, 2006, 02:17 PM

Man, the sites messed up right now. Download link still goes to iTunes 7, product pages to old iPods. Except shuffle, which is out of whack.

scottiB · Sep 12, 2006, 02:17 PM

"Den, living room, car, pocket. And i hope this gives you a little idea of where we're going," said Jobs. "Thanks for coming. and we'll see you all soon."

LET ALL WHO OPPOSE US BE RENT ASUNDER. CRUSHED. LIKE ADAM, BITE THE APPLE AND DIE!!!!

Kerrigan · Sep 12, 2006, 02:18 PM

Holy crap that thing is tiny. I'm soo getting one.

TheoCryst · Sep 12, 2006, 02:19 PM

Yay, the store's back up!

Stradlater · Sep 12, 2006, 02:19 PM

gapless playback in itunes, too. good news!

Eug · Sep 12, 2006, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Goldfinger

320x240 = 76900
640x480 = 307200

While technically true, it's still just marketing BS. The image is twice as large.

No. The image is 4X as large.

Originally Posted by Dakar

Yes, they got all technical and said resolution. The window is only twice as big.

No. The window is 4X as large.

This is elementary school math, guys.

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

that isn't even DVD quality. Shame considering the iMac 24" would be good for hi-def.

HD was never going to be an option at this time, for full-length movies. The infrastructure isn't quite there yet.

As for 640x480, that's lower than DVD rez, but it depends on the encoding as to the overall "quality". H.264 does offer some quality advantages over MPEG2 if the bitrate is reasoanble.

My guess though is that the bitrate will be around 2.5 Mbps for video, which means it will be of good (but probably not Superbit) DVD-level quality.

Jawbone54 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:22 PM

the 3...

mdc · Sep 12, 2006, 02:23 PM

the new nano looks really nice. kinda glad i've been holding off on one for my nike+ shoes.
I'm really excited for the iTV

zwiebel_ · Sep 12, 2006, 02:25 PM

Like the new iTunes look. Well done.

TheoCryst · Sep 12, 2006, 02:25 PM

Dammit, now I have to buy a new iPod.

On the other hand... I get to buy a new iPod now! Whee!

And is it just me, or did they change the color of the music note on the iTunes icon from green to blue?

itai195 · 02:35 PM

I prefer the old nano but to each his own. I wouldn't mind having an 8GB one

The improvements to iTunes sound pretty good. iPod syncing with multiple computers is something I've wanted for a loooong time.

They used to change the iTunes icon with every major release, though I think they stopped doing that a couple versions ago (I lost track anyway). I don't like the new icon though, and the UI in iTunes 7 has been uglified a bit. Looks more like a Microsoft app with every new release.

I'm on the fence about the iTV until more is revealed.

Dakar · Sep 12, 2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

No. The window is 4X as large.

Originally Posted by Dakar

what does it say when I right click a movie widow in iTunes and go from 320x to 640x?

...

Jawbone54 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:27 PM

The new nano looks so miniesque. I like it, personally. I think today was a great day, except for everyone who wanted a "true' video iPod.

The new shuffle is absolutely fantastic, IMHO. I can't believe the little guy is that small.

The "iTV"...I have yet to decide how cool it is, but I think it's a great start. Hopefully DVR, like someone else said earlier, will be included. If so, this is going to be phenomenal.

iTunes 7...we all knew.

BRussell · Sep 12, 2006, 02:27 PM

There doesn't seem to be an education discount on the ipod.

TheoCryst · Sep 12, 2006, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by BRussell

There doesn't seem to be an education discount on the ipod.

I noticed that too. I'm hoping that changes in the next few days.

kick52 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:28 PM

has anyone downloaded the new itunes?

is it better looking yet?

-UPDATE-

I'm downloading it now, i hope it doesnt look like ****.

Eug · Sep 12, 2006, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

As for 640x480, that's lower than DVD rez, but it depends on the encoding as to the overall "quality". H.264 does offer some quality advantages over MPEG2 if the bitrate is reasoanble.

My guess though is that the bitrate will be around 2.5 Mbps for video, which means it will be of good (but probably not Superbit) DVD-level quality.

Nope.

Video formats supported: H.264 video, up to 1.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Low-Complexity Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48 kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; H.264 video, up to 768 Kbps, 320 by 240 pixels, 30 frames per sec., Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48 kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats; MPEG-4 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per sec., Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48 kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

The quality of 640x480 at 1.5 Mbps is pretty good, but yeah, non-Superbit DVD can beat it.

And no love for the older iPods? Or will they just get a firmware update to enable functionality they've had all along?

BTW, the screen is still 320x240.

Calimus · Sep 12, 2006, 02:28 PM

From the bottom of the itunes store page:

1. Exact resolution depends on aspect ratio

Perhaps for widescreen videos, they are the full 480 tall and wider than 640? We can hope.

Jawbone54 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:29 PM

Ooo...cool little feature.

Stradlater · Sep 12, 2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

...

What can one say? People are idiots and inconsistent.

Dakar · Sep 12, 2006, 02:34 PM

Right, blame Apple. Quicktime does the same thing. That's consistent.

fhoubi · Sep 12, 2006, 02:34 PM

Black Nanos in 8GB only. Bummer.

SouthPaW1227 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:34 PM

Limiting the colored nanos to 4GB was retarded.

I would definitely buy a pink 8GB for my wife to replace her 4GB mini, but there's no space advantage to upgrading now.

I just don't "get" the black-only 8GB. Additionally, it's confusing to the average consumer. I can imagine hoards of folks going to Apple Stores and requesting green 2/8GB nanos, only to be shot down.

Eug · Sep 12, 2006, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Calimus

From the bottom of the itunes store page:

1. Exact resolution depends on aspect ratio

Perhaps for widescreen videos, they are the full 480 tall and wider than 640? We can hope.

True, but full DVD is 720x480. You can go over 640 wide for MPEG4 for example.

Personally, I'm more disappointed the maximum bitrate is 1.5 Mbps. I was hoping for 2.5 Mbps. 1.5 Mbps is pretty good, but there can be a significant difference between the two bitrates for complex video.

Originally Posted by SouthPaW1227

I just don't "get" the black-only 8GB. Additionally, it's confusing to the average consumer. I can imagine hoards of folks going to Apple Stores and requesting green 2/8GB nanos, only to be shot down.

Upsell of course.

Jawbone54 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:35 PM

For Apple in 2006, "black" means exclusive and more expensive. Grrr...

waxcrash · Sep 12, 2006, 02:35 PM

Downloaded the new iTunes. I like the old look better. The removed the graphic equalizer and visualizer button at the bottom. Also, the download missing album artwork is sketchy.

Landos Mustache · Sep 12, 2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by fhoubi

Black Nanos in 8GB only. Bummer.

They are doing the same thing as the black MacBook where to pay more and flaunt that you are more exclusive.

Dakar · Sep 12, 2006, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

True, but full DVD is 720x480.

I wonder if they'll be offering flicks in either wide or full.

ort888 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:37 PM

All of the updates are good, but not good enough to make me go nuts and upgrade.

I like the new Nanos and shuffles, but the movies and new 5 1/2 Gen iPod are underwhelming. The set top box is an interesting sign of things to come, but is nothing I'm interested in yet. It needs to do Hd and have DVR functionality.

Stradlater · Sep 12, 2006, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Right, blame Apple. Quicktime does the same thing. That's consistent.

Not blaming Apple alone. Blaming people. Apple just happens to have a few on staff.

waxcrash · Sep 12, 2006, 02:38 PM

iTunes store is now up.

Dakar · Sep 12, 2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

Not blaming Apple alone. Blaming people. Apple just happens to have a few on staff.

No they just have a marketing staff clever enough to use a technical statistic in order to wow the layman.

Here's another interesting thing: If I tell Photoshop to increase a 320x image by 200% it goes to 640x.

Jawbone54 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:39 PM

iTunes 7, for those of you that haven't dloaded yet. Music Store coming...

Dakar · Sep 12, 2006, 02:40 PM

I hope you realize your name may be showing.

Stradlater · Sep 12, 2006, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

No they just have a marketing staff clever enough to use a technical statistic in order to wow the layman.

Here's another interesting thing: If I tell Photoshop to increase a 320x image by 200% it goes to 640x.

I don't have PS on this computer on hand. But when you're scaling a photo, you usually determine the scaling factor based on height or width. If you do 200% height, and aspect-ratio is locked, width will be 200% as well.

That doesn't mean the image is 200%; in fact, geometry determines the contrary.

itai195 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

They are doing the same thing as the black MacBook where to pay more and flaunt that you are more exclusive.

At least the black nano is a worthwhile upgrade -- you get something other than just the color -- unlike the black MacBook.

I think it's too late for the iTV if they make it into a DVR. Will be useless for people with HDTV sets and satellite service. And for some reason, I can't see Apple wanting to compete with TiVo over their 'lucrative' business

waxcrash · Sep 12, 2006, 02:42 PM

Ha ha…Ryan Austin Dean likes Gnarls Barkley.

TheoCryst · Sep 12, 2006, 02:43 PM

Hmm... new iTunes look... possibly a hint of things to come in Leopard?

For those who have not downloaded it yet: no more Aqua-y scrollbars, the Aqua highlight bar in Party Shuffle is different... everything looks very... different. It feels very out-of-place in Tiger, actually.

My verdict, however, has not offically been passed.

Stradlater · Sep 12, 2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by waxcrash

Ha ha…___ likes Gnarls Barkley.

Who doesn't?

Eug · Sep 12, 2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

I wonder if they'll be offering flicks in either wide or full.

My bet is that 16:9 material will be 640x360.

It will be easier to decode, and the 1.5 Mbps will do better on 640x360 than say 740x416 or 720x400.

Kr0nos · Sep 12, 2006, 02:45 PM

How does that cover-art thing work? Is there a central data-base that will sync the covers to the music on your mac?

Dakar · Sep 12, 2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Stradlater

I don't have PS on this computer on hand. But when you're scaling a photo, you usually determine the scaling factor based on height or width. If you do 200% height, and aspect-ratio is locked, width will be 200% as well.

That doesn't mean the image is 200%; in fact, geometry determines the contrary.

Ok, but if I hit zoom in from 100% to 200% once again, the window is what you'd call 4x bigger.

My point isn't that its wrong. My point is that its a completely technical view of the matter and when you say something like that for marketing, you're definitely spinning.

Jawbone54 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:46 PM

Not entirely sure how practical all of them are on such limited use so far, but so much seems to be so cool. Very happy with iTunes 7 as of now.

SouthPaW1227 · Sep 12, 2006, 02:46 PM

Upselling the black 8GB?

You don't catch my drift...if I want a 8GB colored nano, I'm not going to just magically buy the black one to get my 8GB.

I'll likely walk out with nothing.

Landos Mustache · Sep 12, 2006, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by TheoCryst

Hmm... new iTunes look... possibly a hint of things to come in Leopard?

For those who have not downloaded it yet: no more Aqua-y scrollbars, the Aqua highlight bar in Party Shuffle is different... everything looks very... different. It feels very out-of-place in Tiger, actually.

My verdict, however, has not offically been passed.

It totally is. It is obvious 10.5 will be "black" oriented (the colour before anyone makes any cracks) and you can see that in iTunes 7.