[subego]

You haven't said a goddamn thing about him.

[starman]

Originally Posted by subego 

You haven't said a goddamn thing about him.

That's because the thread's been all about religion and drugs.

(checks thread...)

Um, neither have you.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by starman 

That's because the thread's been all about religion and drugs.

Because those, along with music, are the things that seemed to matter most to Prince. If you were paying attention you'd notice we've been discussing his likely cause of death, if you have something to add, do so.

[P]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

I'll clarify. 98% of the time, what kills people in a heroin OD isn't the heroin, even in huge doses, it's what it's cut with. Tylenol, in excess of 4000mg, is toxic, usually in less than a month (sometimes in a matter of days), Prince was taking >4x that amount, and had been for nearly 4 months.

He wouldn't be taking that much if he hadn't been addicted to opiates in the first place, and he pretty clearly intended to keep being addicted. If he wanted to quit, there are drugs for that (methadone), which he should have been able to get if he had no problems getting massive amounts of opiates.

[subego]

Originally Posted by starman 

That's because the thread's been all about religion and drugs.

(checks thread...)

Um, neither have you.

I'm not complaining about it, and when the religion became an issue I started a different thread... which for some unfathomable reason you thought was the absolute best time to start bitching.

I let that one go, but you decided to keep doing it.

[starman]

Just another day at the 'NN Lounge.

Might as well call it "The Derail Show"

[subego]

[makes jerking-off hand motion]

[ghporter]

We really do have a "prescription drug abuse epidemic" in the US. But it's not a bunch of folks jonesing for more Percocet as much as it's a bunch of general and family practitioners tossing out prescriptions for inappropriate doses of serious pain meds (opiates, especially), without doing even the merest hint of follow up.

With any pain management regimen, there MUST be a certain amount of "suck it up." If you administer enough pain killer to completely eliminate pain, you'll also completely eliminate consciousness. LIving with a 4 out of 10 pain is not fun, and it is not easy, but if I could do it for months at a time (which I did, and I'm a wimp), then just about anyone can do something similar. Doctors need to say NO more often, and make it stick.

[P]

This is an Ameeican problem, it seems. Wikipedia claims that the US consumes 82% of all oxycodone and 99% of hydrocodone used in the world.

[Spheric Harlot]

How did this develop, I wonder? My GP has known me for many year now, and he takes a good look at me and makes sure it's necessary before prescribing anything, including antibiotics. Did people just start going to multiple doctors for prescriptions?

Or does American medical practice implicitly or systematically condone substance abuse?

[subego]

My old GP was very unusual in that she'd suggest non pharmaceutical remedies.

I have post-nasal drip. Every other doctor has recommended a drug. She recommended a nettipot.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

The majority of doctors never even see their patients, unless the situation is dire, they see PAs and nurses. Largely because:

1. they go to the doctor for any little thing, and
2. the huge healthcare systems want to schedule every patient to come in every 3-4 months, to maximize what they can charge insurance companies.

and that leads to less than stellar services. As an experiment I tried the system my employees had been using, back when I screwed my ankle, and it was pretty bad. So bad that I've restructured the whole thing, so they could have better care.

[Chongo]

If it turns out it was overuse of Percocet, Prince will just be another in a long line of celebrities who died as a result of quacks. Remember these two?

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by subego 

[makes jerking-off hand motion]

[Spheric Harlot]

Semi-related article:
What's killing white middle-aged American women? - BBC News

"The reason the medical community began to prescribe opioids so aggressively is that we were responding in many ways to a brilliant marketing campaign launched by the maker of one opioid pain medicine, a drug called Oxycontin."
In 2007 Purdue Pharma pleaded guilty to misleading doctors and patients about the addictive properties of OxyContin and paid $600m (£415m) in fines. It also reformulated OxyContin to deter abuse.
"Rates of overdose deaths [from opiods generally] begin to soar: from 1999 to 2014, 250,000 Americans have died of an opioid overdose. Today there are more Americans dying of drug overdoses than dying from motor vehicle crashes,
"This is the worst drug addiction epidemic in US history. We have about 10 to 12 million Americans on opioids chronically, so many that drug companies can now make money selling medicines to treat the side effects from being on opioids chronically.
"We've seen a very sharp increase in prescription opioid overdoses in women. I think one of the reasons is that middle-aged women are more likely to receive treatment for a chronic pain problem from a doctor, [and] they're more likely to be prescribed prescription opioids."

[Cap'n Tightpants]

It's not even the opiate that's killing people.

[Spheric Harlot]

I believe you may have mentioned that earlier.

[andi*pandi]

A friend of mine posted that Prince really died of pain, not pain medicine, overdose, etc. Pain.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

I believe you may have mentioned that earlier.

I'm just annoyed over the misinformation everywhere, Tylenol toxicity is extremely common and drug companies are fighting tooth and nail to keep it covered up.