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..... and the bigger picture of alleged corruption that seems systemic in our political system. The latter is a much bigger picture issue than just email documents.
The emails document the corruption that the Clintons have long been a part of. They show that Mills and Abedin were doing work for both State and the Clinton Foundation, while drawing salaries from both.
So no one has talked about Trump being a bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic fascist?
Or how his supporters are white nationalist, white supremacist, alt-right, KKK, neo-Nazi sympathizers?
Of course we have, but we haven't talked about how in spite of this he won the nomination, or how/why these qualities are attractive to some.
What is going on here? To us he is, at best, the better of two evils, but there are plenty of people who enthusiastically support him and don't see him as evil at all. In fact, they view him as exactly what America needs.
The emails document the corruption that the Clintons have long been a part of. They show that Mills and Abedin were doing work for both State and the Clinton Foundation, while drawing salaries from both.
Let's see, Hillary used 18 different devices, 13 different smartphones and 5 iPads. (they have no idea where many of the retired phones are) Commentators on the news channels said the smartphones were purchased at a retail store, all 13. You would think "hostile foreign actors" didn't notice? If they did, it wouldn't be too difficult to plant a compromised phone. Then there's the fact her emails were loaded onto a laptop that was sent through the mail, and "lost".
The FBI's Labor Day weekend document dump regarding its investigation of Hillary Clinton gives those who thought the result was predetermined much to complain about. The FBI's notes confirm that her former chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, was among the several lawyers representing Clinton in her FBI interview. Mills was hip-deep in the events at the heart of the FBI's criminal investigation and was herself a material witness who had previously sat for her own interview. Yet not only was she allowed by the Department of Justice to participate as counsel in Clinton's interview, her communications with Clinton and other material witnesses also were actively protected by the Department of Justice throughout the criminal and civil investigations.
Typically, the DOJ would look askance where a material witness sought to act as a lawyer for the subject of a federal criminal investigation. In Mills's case, Justice lawyers went out of their way to accommodate this highly unusual dual-hat role. For those who wonder whether Clinton's FBI interview was all for show, Mills's participation as a lawyer should be Exhibit A.
Hillary is completely unfit, in terms of health. Watch Blair White's explanation, it's rather damning:
Starting @1:32 is where she shuts down Hillary's candidacy, a POTUS can't have those issues. Period.
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"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Hillary is completely unfit, in terms of health. Watch Blair White's explanation, it's rather damning:
Starting @1:32 is where she shuts down Hillary's candidacy, a POTUS can't have those issues. Period.
The man who steps up to her right is also wearing the EMS pin. It looks like the other two are as well. Hillary has at least two if not four EMS personnel, one carrying a Diazepam pen.
Even more interesting
An expert on Secret Service tactics told TGP Secret Service agents would not touch a candidate in the manner that this individual did and especially Hillary Clinton. It has been widely reported on Hillary’s disdain for the agents who work to protect her. The man who touches Hillary may be a member of Hillary’s close staff – but he is NOT a Secret Service agent.
CNN is so supportive of Clinton, network honchos acted like the Mafia when confronting Drew,” a source told me. “First, they demanded he retract his comments, but he wouldn’t.”
What followed was a series of nasty phone calls and e-mails. “It was downright scary and creepy,” a source close to Pinsky said.
Personally, I don't think there's anything that wrong with her medically, and if there was, Kaine (or Sanders or Biden) is a'ight.
However, if there is something medically wrong, I do not for a second put it past her to try and sweep it under the rug.
John Edwards tried to sweep the beach ball under the rug, and he's one-tenth the hardass Hillary is.
Agreed.
Occam's Razor as well. If she had a neurological condition, chances are there would have been a lapse during her massive Benghazi hearing, during a debate, interview, *something* that would provide something more concrete than this conspiracy theory stuff. You can't mask a neurological condition , it either is apparent or it isn't.
This goes in the Obama is a socialist/Muslim/communist category, and it's way too early to concede actual valid and coherent arguments (of which there are many) for this sort of fluff.
If she had a neurological condition, chances are there would have been a lapse during her massive Benghazi hearing, during a debate, interview, *something* that would provide something more concrete...
I actually agree with Dr. Drew that the concussion hasn't had a long-term effect on her cognition.
I didn't peg you as a guy into conspiracy theories, CTP.
Watch the video starting at 1:32, as the large black man (he isn't a bodyguard or SS agent, he's a paramedic) talks her down and gets her re-oriented, after what appears to be a mental disconnect and/or panic attack. Look at the glasses she has to wear (Fresnel prisms), used to treat seizure patients and keep them from seeing double. It isn't a "conspiracy theory", no one with these types of neurological issues should be elected POTUS.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Personally, I don't think there's anything that wrong with her medically, and if there was, Kaine (or Sanders or Biden) is a'ight.
Those glasses aren't for entertainment, they're used to treat a very serious neurological condition. If she's frequently seeing double without them, then she isn't fit for office as a city mayor, much less POTUS, and this doesn't even go into her being disoriented and requiring coaching to get her situated again. Being POTUS is the hardest job in the world, it's demanding both mentally and physically, and from what I've seen she can't do it.
So while Kaine would be a good replacement, how much damage could she do before she finally admits she needs to step down, if elected? Most likely she'd need to be forced out of office if she's unfit, and how difficult would that be?
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
The best thing that could happen right now is for her to step down and have Sanders run instead. She's unfit for office.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Watch the video starting at 1:32, as the large black man (he isn't a bodyguard or SS agent, he's a paramedic) talks her down and gets her re-oriented, after what appears to be a mental disconnect and/or panic attack. Look at the glasses she has to wear (Fresnel prisms), used to treat seizure patients and keep them from seeing double. It isn't a "conspiracy theory", no one with these types of neurological issues should be elected POTUS.
IIUC, the stage was being rushed. That's why when the camera pulls out you see a bunch of monster dudes, and the camera pans away to track the kerfuffle on the floor.
What's the source on the black guy not being a bodyguard? He certainly has the physique to be a professional ass-kicker.
Those glasses aren't for entertainment, they're used to treat a very serious neurological condition. If she's frequently seeing double without them, then she isn't fit for office as a city mayor, much less POTUS, and this doesn't even go into her being disoriented and requiring coaching to get her situated again. Being POTUS is the hardest job in the world, it's demanding both mentally and physically, and from what I've seen she can't do it.
So while Kaine would be a good replacement, how much damage could she do before she finally admits she needs to step down, if elected? Most likely she'd need to be forced out of office if she's unfit, and how difficult would that be?
I actually agree with Dr. Drew that the concussion hasn't had a long-term effect on her cognition.
How do you explain the disorientation @1:32, the complete loss of cognition, requiring professional help?
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
IIUC, the stage was being rushed. That's why when the camera pulls out you see a bunch of monster dudes, and the camera pans away to track the kerfuffle on the floor.
So "being rushed" made her lose her ability to speak? To identify where she was? No wonder she hasn't had a press conference.
What's the source on the black guy not being a bodyguard? He certainly has the physique to be a professional ass-kicker.
He wears an EMT badge, as shown in the video.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
She's not read anything on camera in quite a while, not since the last senate hearing, in an attempt to possibly conceal them.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
I had the sound down. I find vloggers voice intolerable.
Okay... but without doing that you can't get the full effect of what was going on, so... start at 2:14, that's the important part anyway.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
If it's her with the chai, she's responding to a bunch of people yelling in her ear.
No, it's much, much worse than the chai incident.
If it's when she's on stage, she's staring down an attacker, which is actually fairly badass TBH.
No, it's a different situation altogether.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
If you can't handle Blair's voice, which admittedly can be over the top, here's an interview w/ Dr Drew that tackles the same subject:
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
and then, out of the blue, they canceled Dr Drew's show, despite it being up in ratings. WTF??
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Okay... but without doing that you can't get the full effect of what was going on, so... start at 2:14, that's the important part anyway.
That was the video where she's on stage. I've watched it with sound.
The only thing I'd revise is the kerfuffle was a protester in one of the front-ish rows unfurling what I gather is a giant animal rights flag. That's not someone rushing the stage, but it's something which will most definitely cause the Secret Service to lose their shit.
As far as I can tell, the evidence the giant black guy isn't Secret Service is his lapel pin. There's at least one very clear picture floating around of him with a Secret Service pin. With a little nosing I found one where you can't really tell what the pin is, but it's identical to another one of the badasses in her entourage.
The Hulk also says "we'll take care of it", when the protester starts in with the flag.
How she reacted to this seems totally normal. She wasn't confused about where she was, saying where she was wouldn't have made sense at the juncture of having to pull a speech back on the rails after her protection detail went to DEFCON 5. "Here we are" is the equivalent of "so, that happened".
If you can't handle Blair's voice, which admittedly can be over the top, here's an interview w/ Dr Drew that tackles the same subject:
I mentioned this above. His opinion was there hasn't been a long-term impact on her cognition. I used the word "cognition" up-thread because I was quoting him.
He says we are owed more details on it however, and I agree with that whole-heartedly.
His opinions on her medications are iffy, but I think one can make the argument the point of the records are to explain her situation. When Drew sees Coumadin, he should then be able to point to a part which assuages his fears.
That was the video where she's on stage. I've watched it with sound.
The only thing I'd revise is the kerfuffle was a protester in one of the front-ish rows unfurling what I gather is a giant animal rights flag. That's not someone rushing the stage, but it's something which will most definitely cause the Secret Service to lose their shit.
You didn't hear what they were telling her?
As far as I can tell, the evidence the giant black guy isn't Secret Service is his lapel pin. There's at least one very clear picture floating around of him with a Secret Service pin. With a little nosing I found one where you can't really tell what the pin is, but it's identical to another one of the badasses in her entourage.
and the shot in the video (@ 1:43 in the first video) where he's wearing an EMT badge and carrying what looks very much like a syringe of some type?
The Hulk also says "we'll take care of it", when the protester starts in with the flag.
That's not what he said.
How she reacted to this seems totally normal. She wasn't confused about where she was, saying where she was wouldn't have made sense at the juncture of having to pull a speech back on the rails after her protection detail went to DEFCON 5. "Here we are" is the equivalent of "so, that happened".
@2:14 of the first video:
Hillary: *Panicked silence while she looks around, appearing to not know where she is and seems to almost go rigid. Then EMT/SS guy frightens her as he rushes the podium. Then he reassures her by patting her on the back.*
EMT/SS agent: "You're okay. Keep talking, you can handle it. We're not going anywhere."
Hillary: *Then she snaps out of whatever trance she was in* "Okay... Here we are!" *nervous laughter*
EMT/SS agent: "Keep talking, man, keep talking!"
Hillary: "We'll keep talking!" (as she repeats his orders)
That's not normal for someone seeking to be POTUS, at all. If that unhinges her, then she isn't mentally fit enough to be president.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
If she hasn't used a teleprompter since the last senate hearing, this mother****er has unlocked God mode.
Umm, no. She's just doing what she has to do, often with a great deal of assistance (she's wearing an earpiece). Besides, she's only spoken for a a couple minutes at a time while avoiding all press conferences and only made simple statements.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
I mentioned this above. His opinion was there hasn't been a long-term impact on her cognition. I used the word "cognition" up-thread because I was quoting him.
It isn't really her active cognition that's at fault, it's her "episodes" in public, during demanding public events.
He says we are owed more details on it however, and I agree with that whole-heartedly.
Which she's still avoiding.
His opinions on her medications are iffy, but I think one can make the argument the point of the records are to explain her situation. When Drew sees Coumadin, he should then be able to point to a part which assuages his fears.
It isn't just Coumadin that he questions, it's her entire course of medical treatment. And for that, apparently his show has been canned, despite it having very good ratings, out of the blue.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Again, watch the video at 2:14. (I can't find the original, Youtube or someone else has pulled it from the site.)
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
I've got a rehearsal to go to, but here's the pic with a Secret Service pin. They get switched around a lot. This is for the Service's 150th anniversary.
What is wrong with you guys? You sound like a bunch of conspiracy loons. I've had my disagreements with you before but you've always been reasonably coherent. This election is damaging your health, never mind Hillary.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
What is wrong with you guys? You sound like a bunch of conspiracy loons. I've had my disagreements with you before but you've always been reasonably coherent. This election is damaging your health, never mind Hillary.
Hillary could end all of this speculation with a no holds barred press conference. Regardless if the "Hulk" is SS or not, Hillary has been exhibiting some odd behavior that needs some explanation.
This reminds me of you right wingers making the claim that Obama is actually inarticulate and can't speak without a teleprompter, despite the hours and hours and hours of evidence that he generally does fine without a teleprompter.
And here is another 3 hours (if the 11 above isn't enough), opened by mention of Clinton being healthy again in 2013.
So, you guys are saying that Clinton had a concussion in Dec 2012, recovered adequately enough for these two hearings, one of them in Jan 2013, but has since mentally deteriorated to the point that she would have consistent problems with doing the job?
And please don't look for videos where she "ums" and "ers" or pauses trying to find her words, because we all do that. I'm looking for evidence that she has complete lapses that she simply cannot recover from.
You guys are loony tunes. There is PLENTY of other stuff to use against her, you don't need this fluff.
Hillary could end all of this speculation with a no holds barred press conference. Regardless if the "Hulk" is SS or not, Hillary has been exhibiting some odd behavior that needs some explanation.
How would that help?
You don't get dementia from a concussion, your brain is either damaged or it isn't. If it was damaged you'd see this especially in the Jan 2013 video. Her concussion was in Dec 2012.
Hillary could end all of this speculation with a no holds barred press conference. Regardless if the "Hulk" is SS or not, Hillary has been exhibiting some odd behavior that needs some explanation.
Not really. People who think she's a liar won't be convinced by anything she says. It's incredible how much air time and web page space is wasted on these issues. Hillary's health is the next birth certificate issue. Really important issues (e. g. the continued warrantless wiretapping of the whole US population and the Middle East) are drowned out by this email non-sense, and these are issues where (IMHO at least) Clinton is on the wrong side of the argument, too. So focussing on what is important doesn't necessarily mean this makes it easier for Clinton. Continuing to want to harp on these comparatively tiny issues is like wanting to argue about a leaky faucet when the house is on fire.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Not really. People who think she's a liar won't be convinced by anything she says. It's incredible how much air time and web page space is wasted on these issues. Hillary's health is the next birth certificate issue. Really important issues (e. g. the continued warrantless wiretapping of the whole US population and the Middle East) are drowned out by this email non-sense, and these are issues where (IMHO at least) Clinton is on the wrong side of the argument, too. So focussing on what is important doesn't necessarily mean this makes it easier for Clinton. Continuing to want to harp on these comparatively tiny issues is like wanting to argue about a leaky faucet when the house is on fire.
But did you hear that Clinton had a concussion 3.5 years ago?
You don't get dementia from a concussion, your brain is either damaged or it isn't. If it was damaged you'd see this especially in the Jan 2013 video. Her concussion was in Dec 2012.
You don't need this fluff.
You know, you're right. It's about fluff like this.
Democrats fixate over 932040294 things that Trump has said and done similar to how Republicans tried 239283094 things to see what would take down Obama, whereas Republicans have an autistic-like focus on a few special interests of theirs involving Clinton (email, Benghazi, her concussion) that they just keep coming back to.
What's sad is that we aren't talking about what we have done to get a Trump as a nominee, and the bigger picture of alleged corruption that seems systemic in our political system. The latter is a much bigger picture issue than just email documents.
Originally Posted by subego
So no one has talked about Trump being a bigoted, racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Semitic fascist?
Or how his supporters are white nationalist, white supremacist, alt-right, KKK, neo-Nazi sympathizers?
Originally Posted by besson3c
Of course we have, but we haven't talked about how in spite of this he won the nomination, or how/why these qualities are attractive to some.
What is going on here? To us he is, at best, the better of two evils, but there are plenty of people who enthusiastically support him and don't see him as evil at all. In fact, they view him as exactly what America needs.
I guess this is why Jesse Jackson has been hiding. He had such nice words for the Donald.
I've got a rehearsal to go to, but here's the pic with a Secret Service pin. They get switched around a lot. This is for the Service's 150th anniversary.
I'll rewatch it when I get back... totally my bad if I misheard the Hulk.
Not the pin, the badge... also, listen to what he says to her during that one speech, it sounds exactly like what a trauma counselor would say to a patient.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
What is wrong with you guys? You sound like a bunch of conspiracy loons. I've had my disagreements with you before but you've always been reasonably coherent. This election is damaging your health, never mind Hillary.
Yeah, because potentially electing someone with actual brain damage to the most powerful office in the world isn't a big deal.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Say what you will about Tricky Dick, but he had more integrity than Hillary.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
ALERT
Watch Blair White's explanation, it's rather damning:
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