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TETENAL · Jan 22, 2005, 05:13 PM

The Bush family was making satanic signs during Bush's inauguration ceremony:

spacefreak · Jan 22, 2005, 05:18 PM

W

TETENAL · Jan 22, 2005, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
W

That's not a W, that's clearly the sign of the devil they are making. Bush himself had made the W sign before, and that's not it.

spacefreak · Jan 22, 2005, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by TETENAL:
That's not a W, that's clearly the sign of the devil they are making. Bush himself had made the W sign before, and that's not it.

OK. He must be evil.

Chuckit · Jan 22, 2005, 05:32 PM

Just so we're clear, you realize that's the "rock and roll" sign, right?

spacefreak · Jan 22, 2005, 05:36 PM

Maybe they meant to do the "love you" sign.

I also heard it could be the new sign for "stop crying you weenie liberals".

NYCFarmboy · Jan 22, 2005, 05:36 PM

<snip..oops double post>

NYCFarmboy · 06:24 PM

that is the commonly used (in Texas anyhow) "hook 'em horns" sign used by Texas Longhorn football fans.

The photos were made when the Longhorn marching band went by the Inaugural parade viewing platform and again later at one of the balls when the band again made an appearance.

TETENAL · Jan 22, 2005, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
Just so we're clear, you realize that's the "rock and roll" sign, right?

The sign is sometimes used by "evil" heavy metal bands, but it means "devil".

spacefreak · Jan 22, 2005, 05:47 PM

Bush is always mispronouncing words. Maybe he's mispronouncing whatever sign it is he's trying to make.

spacefreak · 05:56 PM

Originally posted by NYCFarmboy:
that is the commonly used (in Texas anyhow) "hook 'em horns" sign used by Texas Longhorn football fans.

The photos were made when the Longhorn marching band went by the Inaugural parade viewing platform and again later at one of the balls when the band again made an appearance.

Good call. Or maybe the whole family is into devil worship.

Jenna's a Longhorn, isn't she?

Chuckit · Jan 22, 2005, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by TETENAL:
The sign is sometimes used by "evil" heavy metal bands, but it means "devil".

That's where it came from, but it trickled down to the less hardcore acts and has reached the point where it's used by well-meaning "punk rock" teenies all over the States just to mean "rock and roll."

Luca Rescigno · Jan 22, 2005, 06:13 PM

At least they're not giving The Shocker.

mitchell_pgh · Jan 22, 2005, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
Just so we're clear, you realize that's the "rock and roll" sign, right?

No no no... it can't be "rock and roll' because that's not EVIL enough... and we all know Bush is evil... so it must be the sign of the devil.

deej5871 · Jan 22, 2005, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
At least they're not giving The Shocker.

Why Shock her when you can Spock her?

Millennium · Jan 25, 2005, 05:37 PM

It's also worth noting that it's very similar to the American Sign Language for "I Love You" (though it's not quite right; the thumb should be extended at a right angle to the index finger, not curled in). It's entirely possible that Bush is extending his linguistics-mangling talents beyond English.

TETENAL · Jan 25, 2005, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
That's where it came from, but it trickled down to the less hardcore acts and has reached the point where it's used by well-meaning "punk rock" teenies all over the States just to mean "rock and roll."

Maybe it's cool to make this sign now in American rock culture, but even there everybody knows where it comes from and what it means. Bush and his PR consultants must have been fully aware what message he is sending to the world when he makes that sign.

AKcrab · Jan 25, 2005, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by TETENAL:
Maybe it's cool to make this sign now in American rock culture, but even there everybody knows where it comes from and what it means. Bush and his PR consultants must have been fully aware what message he is sending to the world when he makes that sign.

Are you aware that

is considered highly offensive in some cultures? Same with using your index finger to point.. Same with the "OK" gesture, and same with waving with an open hand.

These things aren't "global" or "universal".

Chuckit · Jan 25, 2005, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by TETENAL:
Maybe it's cool to make this sign now in American rock culture, but even there everybody knows where it comes from and what it means. Bush and his PR consultants must have been fully aware what message he is sending to the world when he makes that sign.

Let's see. To my knowledge...

Number of people who actually use that sign to refer to Satan: 0

Number of people who use it to mean "rock 'n' roll": Everybody who uses the sign

Taking it as the sign of the devil is like taking the declaration "I'm gay" to mean "I'm joyous." I'd say Bush is perfectly justified in using the sign to mean what it ALWAYS MEANS nowadays. No offense, but reading it as a demonic sign is just odd.

Joshua · Jan 25, 2005, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by TETENAL:
Maybe it's cool to make this sign now in American rock culture, but even there everybody knows where it comes from and what it means. Bush and his PR consultants must have been fully aware what message he is sending to the world when he makes that sign.

Sheesh. I thought you were just trying to be funny until that post.

TETENAL · Jan 25, 2005, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
Number of people who actually use that sign to refer to Satan: 0

Exempli gratia:

The Ruda-couple. Also known as "Satan's Murderers"

This sign means "devil" to everybody. That includes "rock" bands that make it to look "cool".

jbartone · Jan 25, 2005, 07:07 PM

So obviously he was referring to the Texas Longhorns here. Case closed.

Millennium · Jan 25, 2005, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by TETENAL:

The Ruda-couple. Also known as "Satan's Murderers"

Hold on. So this lady has an inverted cross shaved into her forehead and way too much goth makeup, and she claims to be in league with Satan, and you take her seriously? Any real Satanist would laugh in their faces. At least the husband doesn't do the whole my-parents-made-me-go-to-church-once-too-often look, but these two are so completely out of their minds that you can't honestly look at them as examples of anything, except perhaps complete whackjobs.

This sign means "devil" to everybody.

Not to any real Satanist, it doesn't, except perhaps as a cultural footnote not even worth caring about. And it doesn't mean that to anyone who hasn't been exposed to this kiddie Satanism-wannabe stuff either.

That includes "rock" bands that make it to look "cool".

OK, it definitely means that to them; I won't deny that. The "cool" angle goes back to the whole pissing-off-your-parents thing, which is what the kiddie pseudo-Satanism is all about.

TETENAL · Jan 25, 2005, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Hold on. So this lady has an inverted cross shaved into her forehead and way too much goth makeup, and she claims to be in league with Satan, and you take her seriously?

Well, they are a murderer-couple, so no, that doesn't fall under the definition of "kiddie-satanism" for me.

Mac Guru · Jan 25, 2005, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Hold on. So this lady has an inverted cross shaved into her forehead

Ummmmm that's not her forehead. That would be a SIDE of her head.

But yes, Bush was waving the Hook Em Horns hand signal.

Personally I prefer this one

WOW That was bigger than I thought