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Jasoco · May 4, 2005, 04:28 AM

"That's the best thing I ever saw!!!" -Fry

Big Mac · 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Not just in item counting, but turn on info for drive sizes for desktop icons. The size listed is often wrong after you've deleted some files. The drive size simply doesn't get updated, often not until you log out. It's EXTREMELY irritating, and this problem has been around forever too.

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Reason 42 to dislike the Finder. . . how hard would it be for the Finder to get an update notification after an rm?

Simon · May 4, 2005, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Reason 42 to dislike the Finder. . . how hard would it be for the Finder to get an update notification after an rm?

Not that I like the Finder, but actually it does get the notification. To see for yourself play the QT movie at the bottom of this page:
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/18

JLL · May 4, 2005, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Simon

Not that I like the Finder, but actually it does get the notification. To see for yourself play the QT movie at the bottom of this page:
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/18

Yes, Finder responds instantly when files are touched from Terminal.

Diggory Laycock · May 4, 2005, 09:35 AM

Yum - you can now copy and paste events in iCal - nice for events that are only repeated once or twice, without any regular pattern.

Diggory Laycock · May 4, 2005, 09:44 AM

Oh, and Keychain Access has a much nicer UI - it's searchable, which is useful when you've got loads of passwords and certs.

moodymonster · May 4, 2005, 10:06 AM

search in spotlight for "wdgt"

finds hidden widgets for voice and neon and stuff

edit: only if you've got the developer install, thought I'd found something there

Simon · May 4, 2005, 10:31 AM

I noticed that Apple has changed the location of the console.log files. Under 10.3.9 I had them at /Library/Logs/Console/MyUserName/, now under 10.4, they're at /Library/Logs/Console/MyUserID/.

Thanks to MkConsole I noticed that I wasn't getting any console updates with the old path. Great app btw.

TheMacOracle · May 4, 2005, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Diggory Laycock

Oh, and Keychain Access has a much nicer UI - it's searchable, which is useful when you've got loads of passwords and certs.

Yes! This is a great feature.

Here is another very interesting addition. Now that newer Apple keyboards no longer have a power key, we've lost the ability to control-apple-power to quickly restart a frozen Mac. Tiger has brought this back (sort of).

You can use control-apple-eject as a keyboard shortcut to restart. This is a "clean" OS X restart, just as if you had selected it from the Apple menu.

-- TMO

cybergoober · May 4, 2005, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheMacOracle

Yes! This is a great feature.

Here is another very interesting addition. Now that newer Apple keyboards no longer have a power key, we've lost the ability to control-apple-power to quickly restart a frozen Mac. Tiger has brought this back (sort of).

You can use control-apple-eject as a keyboard shortcut to restart. This is a "clean" OS X restart, just as if you had selected it from the Apple menu.

-- TMO

That's not new to Tiger, BTW.

CharlesS · May 4, 2005, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by cybergoober

That's not new to Tiger, BTW.

It won't work on a frozen Mac, either.

Dammit, what was wrong with having a power key on the keyboard, anyway?

Agent69 · May 4, 2005, 02:31 PM

Probably has something to do with the way USB works.

CharlesS · May 4, 2005, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Agent69

Probably has something to do with the way USB works.

The original (tiny, crappy) Apple USB keyboards had a power button.

Art Vandelay · May 4, 2005, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

The original (tiny, crappy) Apple USB keyboards had a power button.

But it still worked differently than the ADB keyboards. If a Mac froze, that power button became useless unlike the ADB one which still allowed you to restart.

=BIO= · May 5, 2005, 12:53 PM

U can change application pressing "command+TAB" ....but I think that was also in 1.3 version

CharlesS · May 5, 2005, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

But it still worked differently than the ADB keyboards. If a Mac froze, that power button became useless unlike the ADB one which still allowed you to restart.

Hmm? It seemed to work for me a lot of the time, even if the machine was frozen.

Granted, I didn't own one of those, so my experience is limited to other people's machines that I've used...

Diggory Laycock · 03:16 PM

Xcode has a little progress bar in its dock icon to show the progress of a build.

It's like the volume bar on a Sony TV - vertical parallel bars (except grey instead of green)

TheMacOracle · May 5, 2005, 04:41 PM

I didn't think ctrl-apple-eject was in Panther, but it's too late now for me to test it.

I just noticed something else I think is new. I was opening a large file in Illustrator so there was a progress bar on the screen while it was loading. I apple-tab'ed to switch to another application and the icon for Illustrator in the floating application switcher had an up-to-date copy of the progress bar underneath it.

-- TMO

alphasubzero949 · May 5, 2005, 05:25 PM

If someone in your iChat buddy list has their message set to currently playing song, the arrow icon takes you straight to the listing on iTMS.

Geobunny · May 5, 2005, 06:02 PM

Just noticed this one. Previously if you had something in the Trash (eg preference file) and then trashed something else with the exact same name, you'd end up with "my File" and "my File copy". Now what you get is "my File" and "my File hh-mm-ss" where hh-mm-ss is a time code in hours minutes and seconds, making it MUCH easier to see the order in which you trashed the files!

m.brown · 06:16 PM

Disk Utility now allows you to erase free space on your hard drive: Either zero out space, 7-Pass or 35-Pass.

Disk Utility > Select your HD > Erase tab > Erase Free Space

Undeleted files are unaffected, so you can run this whilst logged in. You can also interrupt the process with[edit]out[/edit] harming your data.

Geobunny · May 5, 2005, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by m.brown

<snip>You can also interrupt the process with harming your data.

Hmm, doesn't really sound like a "feature" I'd like to have!!

Sorry to jump on you like that - couldn't resist though!

m.brown · May 5, 2005, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Geobunny

Hmm, doesn't really sound like a "feature" I'd like to have!!

Sorry to jump on you like that - couldn't resist though!

Ha ha! It took me a minute to realise what you where on about. Of course it should read:

"You can also interrupt the process without harming your data."

MartiNZ · May 5, 2005, 07:39 PM

Something curious I've just noticed with command-control-D - it shows the word you're looking for at 100% size, i.e. viewing a slide in Keynote at 63% size, and it resizes the word you look up to how it would be at 100% - I can't see why this should be ... but at least it doesn't leave it that way

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TETENAL · May 5, 2005, 10:11 PM

⌃⌘D opens the dictionary panel, while the contextual menu opens Dictionary.app. However in the preferences of Dictionary.app this can be changed, so that the contextual menu opens the dictionary panel (and from the dictionary panel you can open Dictionary.app anyway if you want to). I find this far more convenient than ⌃⌘D.

gabe824 · May 6, 2005, 05:36 PM

The Energy Saver Schedule now includes wake up option as apposed to previously only allowing a start up time.

ChrisF · May 6, 2005, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by gabe824

The Energy Saver Schedule now includes wake up option as apposed to previously only allowing a start up time.

Not new to Tiger though you pretty much just had to know that scheduling a startup would also wake the computer in Panther.

ntt · May 6, 2005, 07:03 PM

The prompt for shutting down or restarting the computer if other users are logged in accepts Return as confirmation, not cancellation. Yay!

Geobunny · May 6, 2005, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by ntt

The prompt for shutting down or restarting the computer if other users are logged in accepts Return as confirmation, not cancellation. Yay!

Booo! Not good - Apple has always traditionally taken the stance that the default option should be the non-destructive one.

CharlesS · May 6, 2005, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Geobunny

Booo! Not good - Apple has always traditionally taken the stance that the default option should be the non-destructive one.

You already have to type a password at that prompt. I think it's pretty unlikely that you would type your password and hit Return all by accident.

Besides, it's inconsistent because every other password box in the whole OS has OK as the default. I'm so used to it that every time I tried shutting down in Panther when multiple users were on, this would happen:

shutdown... <type type type>

crap!

shutdown... <type type type>

shutdown... <type type type> <click>

It's good they changed this.

Geobunny · May 6, 2005, 07:29 PM

Ok, maybe the headbang was a bit strong and I'd be lying if I said I hadn't been bitten before by exactly the process you just described, however, I would prefe....

Know what, this has been argued time and time again ad nauseam, so let's just forget it. You can't please all the people all the time and I very much doubt Apple would go against their decision about this again.