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No brothers, two sisters, middle child, straight.* depending on who you ask.
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Yes, I've heard of this. It's an interesting argument for evolution trying to prevent overpopulation.
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Five older brothers. I'm sixth and straight. But I am a sex maniac. I think because I was breast fed.
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Nope. Didn't happen. Next question?
Oh, and I was bottle fed and I qualify as a maniac too.
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ
Yes, I've heard of this. It's an interesting argument for evolution trying to prevent overpopulation.
It's been a while since my biology classes, but I don't understand how that argument would work. You're saying that there would be a selective pressure for a gene that only affected younger siblings with older brothers? I don't think so...
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My wife's cousin is gay. He is the youngest of four brothers.
The theory seems plausible. There is definitely something about having a male child that can affect the fetal development of subsequent children. Miscarriage rates are higher after a mother has a male child.
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I am the second of six brothers... none gay.
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Eldest of 3, one brother and one sister. I'm gay, siblings are straight.
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ
Yes, I've heard of this. It's an interesting argument for evolution trying to prevent overpopulation.
Originally Posted by peeb
It's been a while since my biology classes, but I don't understand how that argument would work. You're saying that there would be a selective pressure for a gene that only affected younger siblings with older brothers? I don't think so...
Evolutions has created many techniques for regulating population, including frogs that can change their sex when there is a need. This would have to be among the most elaborate, but it would work.
I have a friend who is gay and the youngest of six with two older brothers. The siblings are all straight. Not surprisingly, he is the only one without offspring.
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I am the youngest, but there's only two of us, and my older brother isn't gay.
There's only one gay relative that I know of. My dad's sister had a sex change and became my dad's brother. He[she] is married.
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The best way to settle this issue is clearly with a sample of about 12 carefully controlled Mac users.
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hmmm. i'm not sure of this older brother theory, but I did always think it was genetics. I know a family where the eldest is a female (gay), second eldest is a male (gay), and they have three younger siblings (sexual orientation not yet discovered, as they are too young ).
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Actually the Jewish media made me gay, via television programs such as "The Real World" and "Sesame Street".
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan
Actually the Jewish media made me gay, via television programs such as "The Real World" and "Sesame Street".
Bert and Ernie? Complete homos.
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One of them better be Family Guy.
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I doubt this claim has much statistical support. Large families with many sons used to be much more common. Farm families are still large. Orthodox rabbis have many sons (on average). Mormon families have many sons on average. I don't see any greater incidence of homosexuality in any of those examples.
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Originally Posted by Gossamer
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One of them better be Family Guy.
Bingo.
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Originally Posted by Mithras
The best way to settle this issue is clearly with a sample of about 12 carefully controlled Mac users.
LOL!
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I'm the older brother and the gay one. My sister is straight.
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I'm an only child and gay.
My bf is the youngest of 3 brothers and gay.
Most of my gay friends are the oldest brother.
All over the map.
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I'm the youngest of 3, one brother, one sister...all straight.
I have a gay cousin who is the middle child of three (all guys), and my wife's uncle is gay (youngest of two boys).
I've never heard of this before.
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Originally Posted by peeb
It's been a while since my biology classes, but I don't understand how that argument would work. You're saying that there would be a selective pressure for a gene that only affected younger siblings with older brothers? I don't think so...
I tend to agree with you, which is why I suspect this theory to be loudly denounced in the gay community: it points to a case where the "gay gene" theory doesn't hold.
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To be honest most gay people I know are always the oldest of the siblings.
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Originally Posted by Millennium
I tend to agree with you, which is why I suspect this theory to be loudly denounced in the gay community: it points to a case where the "gay gene" theory doesn't hold.
It'll be denounced by anyone with any amount of brains, because it's total BS
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Originally Posted by peeb
It's been a while since my biology classes, but I don't understand how that argument would work. You're saying that there would be a selective pressure for a gene that only affected younger siblings with older brothers? I don't think so...
I'm not saying anything for or against it. Just putting it out there.
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My father was the middle of three boys and gay.
His widower was the second youngest of six boys. Also, the oldest brother was gay.
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Originally Posted by Rumor
My father was the middle of three boys and gay.
His widower was the second youngest of six boys. Also, the oldest brother was gay.
In Northern LA?
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My dad was from LA. His husband is from Nor Cal.
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LA the state or LA the city in Cali?
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This isn't supposed to be a politically inflammatory comment, so try not to take it that way -- but I've noticed that among conservatives and religious types, homosexuality is thought to be lying just beneath the surface. It's something within all of us that can be triggered by bad decisions, media influences, moral decay, etc. In other words, everyone is at significant risk of becoming gay if they make a false step, and yet homosexuality is supposed to be so alien and contrary to nature. A weird paradox.
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Boy this "evolution" is sure smart. Like it was a thinking entity.
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Boy this "evolution" is sure smart. Like it was a thinking entity.
The theory sounds plausible that cells can remember these things and change accordingly, however, statistics will kill this particular theory.
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Maybe in the dissenting cases, there was marijuana use, resulting in memory-loss for the cells involved.
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ
Maybe in the dissenting cases, there was marijuana use, resulting in memory-loss for the cells involved.
Or maybe there were multiple unknown miscarriages beforehand, all male fetuses of course Allowing for multiple older siblings unbeknownst to anyone else.
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That's a theory for a completely different situation than the one I'm trying to explain.
But I like it.
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Originally Posted by Rumor
My dad was from LA. His husband is from Nor Cal.
Knowing this region, I'd say your dad probably had a hard time.
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Originally Posted by kmkkid
The theory sounds plausible that cells can remember these things and change accordingly, however, statistics will kill this particular theory.
Wasn't meaning for my post to be taken seriously....
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan
This isn't supposed to be a politically inflammatory comment, so try not to take it that way -- but I've noticed that among conservatives and religious types, homosexuality is thought to be lying just beneath the surface. It's something within all of us that can be triggered by bad decisions, media influences, moral decay, etc. In other words, everyone is at significant risk of becoming gay if they make a false step, and yet homosexuality is supposed to be so alien and contrary to nature. A weird paradox.
It probably arises in part because many extreme homophobes are deeply closeted, self-denying gays. For them, it really is lying beneath the surface.
As for the role of genetics in gender identity, just remember these words of wisdom:
"Heredity means if your grandfather didn't have any children and your father didn't have any children, then you won't have any, either."
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