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Jul 5, 2005, 06:05 PM
 
It's fine if you want to go Jamil, but please send your sister here to post her pictures.
     
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Jul 5, 2005, 06:08 PM
 
Yay he's gone!
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Jul 5, 2005, 06:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by Captain Obvious
I wish they would actually go after they post their little dramatic tirade. If they feel the need to go and make such a fuss over leaving that they make a thread about it then stay gone. Speaking of which...
Of course, they'll be back posting in the lounge again after about 6 months.
     
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Jul 5, 2005, 06:09 PM
 
Originally Posted by alphasubzero949
Of course, they'll be back posting in the lounge again after about 6 months.
Need a hug?
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Jul 5, 2005, 06:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by budster101
What store?
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=261040
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Jul 5, 2005, 06:22 PM
 
If you're posting on Mac forums on Apple's time while in the store, the company is justified in firing you. And if you're posting confidential information anywhere at any time, the company is again justified in taking action. But if you're posting from a separate connection, and you're not posting anything confidential, Apple cannot reasonably fire you. Unless you were to admit to superiors you were posting on your own time, how would they even know about your activity? I suppose a coworker could inform on you, but other than that how could they find out? Is the Apple Bureau of Investigation going to covertly sniff your packets looking for MacNN traffic? Just post discreetly - don't leave a lot of potential clues to your identity - and you should be fine.

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Jul 5, 2005, 06:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by Big Mac
. But if you're posting from a separate connection, and you're not posting anything confidential, Apple cannot reasonably fire you.
Um, yeah they can.
It might not be easy to find you but since he already posted he works there before and then this thread it would not be impossible. But yes, they can fire you for pretty much anything you do that they feel reflects poorly on them because you are a member of their company.

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Jul 5, 2005, 06:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by Captain Obvious
Um, yeah they can.
It might not be easy to find you but since he already posted he works there before and then this thread it would not be impossible. But yes, they can fire you for pretty much anything you do that they feel reflects poorly on them because you are a member of their company.
Well, I'll amend my statement: If said employee is posting as an admitted employee of Apple but is not posting anything of a negative, confidential or otherwise consequential nature concerning his or her employment/employer, the company doesn't have much cause to terminate employment. A company can certainly fire without good cause, but the former employee can also sue. And I think the employee would have a good wrongful termination suit in such a scenario.

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Jul 5, 2005, 06:51 PM
 
Apple does certainly prohibit employees from posting on any mac related forums. It's crazy, but they do it. It's a fairly common occurrence for people to get canned over it too.
I would sue them - I am 100% serious - if they tried to tell me that I couldn't post at a forum in my own free time. If I'm not giving away confidential information then it's none of their business.
     
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Jul 5, 2005, 07:03 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
I would sue them - I am 100% serious - if they tried to tell me that I couldn't post at a forum in my own free time. If I'm not giving away confidential information then it's none of their business.
And in most states you would get your ass trounced in court by Apple's lawyers and have nothing to show for it but a huge legal debt. Unless you're part of a union, your employer has the right to fire you for any reason not specifically forbidden by law — including no good reason at all. Can you cite a law that says people can't be fired by a private business owner for posting on an Internet forum?
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Jul 5, 2005, 07:07 PM
 
Well, one thing is for sure: I'd have a good time with it. I'd love the bad press Apple would get.
     
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Jul 5, 2005, 07:11 PM
 
I worked for Apple for two years, as an Apple Solutions Consultant, and was never told not to post on Mac boards. It's rather obvious that you shouldn't post confidential information, but the vast majority of Apple employees, including store managers, don't have any more inside info than the man on the moon, as to what's coming in as new products. They find out about it the same day the general public does. I used to have a regional manager who thought he was being a big shot by hinting at what was coming down the pike, and he was wrong more often that right.
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Jul 5, 2005, 07:21 PM
 
Originally Posted by Big Mac
And I think the employee would have a good wrongful termination suit in such a scenario.
You'd be wrong. Very very wrong.


Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
Well, one thing is for sure: I'd have a good time with it. I'd love the bad press Apple would get.
YDC
Pff, and someone like me would love the checks you'd have to deliver to my office as you pay off a 15,000 dollar bill. Which will have gotten you all of one paragraph on slashdot and maybe a minute on your local news. I am sure Apple would be quivering in fear of that kind of press.

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Jul 5, 2005, 07:27 PM
 
Here you are again, Captain Obvious! You just sit and wait until I post and then you post...I'll say it again...YOU LOVE ME!



     
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Jul 5, 2005, 07:29 PM
 
Ydc

It might seem that way to you but the since every other post you put up highlights your idiocy a person can only see it so many times in one day without commenting on it. I am sure there are dozens of examples from today alone but this thread was the only one I caught. It is a numbers game in which of all the stupid things said on MacNN one will inevitably respond to one of yours. This is a ballpark guess but it can't be more than a 1:3 ratio in the lounge.
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Jul 5, 2005, 07:49 PM
 
enough with the name calling.
     
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Jul 5, 2005, 08:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
Here you are again, Captain Obvious! You just sit and wait until I post and then you post...I'll say it again...YOU LOVE ME!
Are you, like, Zimphire's fourth nick?
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Jul 5, 2005, 08:15 PM
 


You know what's funny? He'll (Zimph) will have like 10,000 posts on EACH one within a month.

     
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Jul 5, 2005, 08:19 PM
 


heck, I don't even average a post a day.

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Jul 5, 2005, 08:44 PM
 
Loser.

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Jul 6, 2005, 07:39 AM
 
To end this topic:
-Yes, it is true that Apple Employee's are prohibited from posting in Mac Forums/websites.
-Yes, you can be fired if you are found in violation.
-No, it doesn't matter if you said you were an Apple Employee or not.
-No, it also doesn't matter if you were distibuting confidential information or just stating your opinion.

For those Apple Retail Employees who don't believe me, check your Policies and Procedures manual, section 2-7 and 2-8. If you still don't believe it, ask: [email protected].

And yes, they can find you, fire you, and even prosecute you. (And they usually win.)

I'm not trying to scare anyone; I just don't want to see any unnecessary casualties.
     
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Jul 6, 2005, 07:49 AM
 
Originally Posted by BoarderX
And yes, they can find you
How?

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Jul 6, 2005, 07:55 AM
 
Originally Posted by BoarderX
To end this topic:
-Yes, it is true that Apple Employee's are prohibited from posting in Mac Forums/websites.
-Yes, you can be fired if you are found in violation.
-No, it doesn't matter if you said you were an Apple Employee or not.
-No, it also doesn't matter if you were distibuting confidential information or just stating your opinion.

For those Apple Retail Employees who don't believe me, check your Policies and Procedures manual, section 2-7 and 2-8. If you still don't believe it, ask: [email protected].

And yes, they can find you, fire you, and even prosecute you. (And they usually win.)

I'm not trying to scare anyone; I just don't want to see any unnecessary casualties.
And you know this how? If your knowledge of Apple policy has been obtained by the way we may easily infer that it is, then I suppose you're not frightened of those enumerated consequences?

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Jul 6, 2005, 08:21 AM
 
BoarderX
and even prosecute you
I love that: "And even prosecute you!"

Give. Me. A. Break.

Now Apple has prosecuting attorneys on staff?



     
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Jul 6, 2005, 09:34 AM
 
Ohhhh Nooooohz!!!!111!!1!!
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That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it. Yeah. Before he let's loose the marmosets on us."
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Jul 6, 2005, 09:55 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg
Now Apple has prosecuting attorneys on staff?
What, you think they just specialize in cease-and-desist orders?
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Jul 6, 2005, 10:03 AM
 
What the crap -- the dadgum forum killed my ALL CAPS. How did we circumvent that, again?

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Jul 6, 2005, 10:30 AM
 
Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome
Yay he's gone!
Dude, you gotta cover your tracks better than that. Why do they always return to the scene of the crime?

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Originally Posted by Stradlater
Dude, you gotta cover your tracks better than that. Why do they always return to the scene of the crime?

What are you talking about?
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Jul 6, 2005, 11:21 AM
 
Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome
What are you talking about?
Uhh, that you're jamil.
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Congratulations on your new job at an Apple Store. What an ideal place to work.

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Originally Posted by Big Mac
And you know this how? If your knowledge of Apple policy has been obtained by the way we may easily infer that it is, then I suppose you're not frightened of those enumerated consequences?
I'm just helping any Apple Employees (or future Apple Employees) to better understand the rules they are bound by. Like most rules, they can be interpreted to mean many different things.
     
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Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh
This isn't a US thing Athens... it's a "trade secret" thing. And last I knew, publishing trade secrets in Canada is just as illegal as in the US.

It's not hard to understand. If you posted an ad in the local paper with a trade secret, would you be amazed if you lost your job? What is the difference between posting said trade secret on the web?
No Mitchell, no company has the right to fire some one because they smoke or because they go to a forum. They can forbid them from revealing privileged information but to say you just cant post at Mac forums would be illegal. Saying you can not post privileged / secret information anywhere would be legal. Got It?
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Originally Posted by Athens
No Mitchell, no company has the right to fire some one because they smoke or because they go to a forum. They can forbid them from revealing privileged information but to say you just cant post at Mac forums would be illegal. Saying you can not post privileged / secret information anywhere would be legal. Got It?
That's just what he said: posting trade secrets would be just cause for firing, both in Canada and the US. Smoking or posting on a forum is only 'just' cause for firing in the US, because of the less stringent laws on grounds for termination.
     
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Originally Posted by Oisín
That's just what he said: posting trade secrets would be just cause for firing, both in Canada and the US. Smoking or posting on a forum is only 'just' cause for firing in the US, because of the less stringent laws on grounds for termination.
then he had no reason to reply to my post, because when I was refering to BC laws to protect people I was talking more about the A) being fired for being a smoker, and B) being told you cant post on a forum at all
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Jul 7, 2005, 12:25 PM
 
How about this:

He creates a new nick, refrains from posting about Apple secrets, and enjoys his free time? If Apple fires him because of it, I doubt he'd be happy working there in the first place.
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Jul 7, 2005, 12:28 PM
 
LIke you?
     
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Originally Posted by budster101
LIke you?
I don't work for Apple.
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Jul 7, 2005, 01:53 PM
 
But he/she/it did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
     
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Originally Posted by Oisín
Oh, and what's with the blurry pics
SEVEN DAYS
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Jul 7, 2005, 02:17 PM
 
You know, f*!% it.

If I get "terminated", then so be it. I can always find another job.
     
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Originally Posted by ReggieX
SEVEN DAYS
Someone already used that one on page 1 (SWF?).

Slowie.

     
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Jul 7, 2005, 03:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cody Dawg


You know what's funny? He'll (Zimph) will have like 10,000 posts on EACH one within a month.

oh man. what are his other nicknames???
     
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Jul 7, 2005, 04:55 PM
 
Originally Posted by Dr. Awesome
I don't work for Apple.
Dude, yes you do. You're jamil, though now it looks like you're abandoning this "Dr. Awesome" anyhow.
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Jul 7, 2005, 05:03 PM
 
Originally Posted by Stradlater
Dude, yes you do. You're jamil, though now it looks like you're abandoning this "Dr. Awesome" anyhow.
He admitted as much in the this thread.
     
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Jul 7, 2005, 05:10 PM
 
Originally Posted by jamil5454
You know, f*!% it.

If I get "terminated", then so be it. I can always find another job.
Why don't you just be smart about it, change "jamil5454"'s and "Dr. Awesome"'s profile information, then make a new account and abandon this silly little farce. It's easy enough to avoid termination. Don't be a dumbass.
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Jul 7, 2005, 05:14 PM
 
Originally Posted by E's Lil Theorem
He admitted as much in the this thread.
Finally. His very 1st "Dr. Awesome" post was evidence enough.
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Jul 7, 2005, 05:23 PM
 
Originally Posted by Oisín
Someone already used that one on page 1 (SWF?).

Slowie.
But you asked AFTER the answer was already posted, so who's the slowie now?
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Originally Posted by residentEvil
But he/she/it did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

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What's with the out of focus photos?
     
 
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