[HOMBRESINIESTRO]

http://croquer.free.fr/


They predicted the last security update. Perhaps they have some real information:

M9042LL/A
Dual 2.2 Ghz
512MB PC 3200 DDR
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
160GB Serial ATA
3 64Bit PCI slots, 1 133Mhz, 2@ 100Mhz

M9490LL/A
Dual 2.4 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI Radeon 9800XT
250GB Serial ATA
3 267Mhz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

M9496LL/A
Dual 2.6 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI RAdeon 9800XT
250 GB Serial ATA
3 267MHz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

[Link]

2.2-2.6 would be a ****ing lame hardware update.

[The Placid Casual]

Originally posted by Link:
2.2-2.6 would be a ****ing lame hardware update.

The low end is higher than the current high end, higher Ghz than AMD's top offering. Not too shabby when put in perspective.

I don't believe a word of it though.

[Link]

I agree on that low end point, which is nice and healthy.. not to mention DUALS?

That'd be nice.. I have a feeling it just aint happening though. This is Apple, not a company that feels they need to stay ahead of the curve to remain in business

[striker100]

So you think Apple's gonna use the ATI 9800XT video card as the standard card in the middle and top of the line G5's?
You know that's not happening.

[BZ]

Hope your kidding....

That is a 30% increase in Ghz PER PROCESSOR. That drive, Ram and a nice new video card.

I will take this one (if true, which I hope).

M9496LL/A
Dual 2.6 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI RAdeon 9800XT
250 GB Serial ATA
3 267MHz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

BZ

Originally posted by Link:
2.2-2.6 would be a ****ing lame hardware update.

[GoGoReggieXPowars]

Originally posted by Link:
2.2-2.6 would be a ****ing lame hardware update.
...
This is Apple, not a company that feels they need to stay ahead of the curve to remain in business

Yeah, because we all know that Apple has direct control over the CPUs they manufacture.

Quit while you're ahead, kid.

[djohnson]

Bah...

[Turias]

The release date is the only thing that matters...

[HOMBRESINIESTRO]

Originally posted by Turias:
The release date is the only thing that matters...

As they know what isc coming I think the release isn't that far away. My bet: within the next ten days.

[Evan_11]

Not to troll but do any of you guys actually use a computer for anything besides bitching here about product updates?

It's funny watching from the other side.

[HOMBRESINIESTRO]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Not to troll but do any of you guys actually use a computer for anything besides bitching here about product updates?

It's funny watching from the other side.

What do you mean by "the other side"? The _dark_ side? ;-)

[The Placid Casual]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Not to troll but do any of you guys actually use a computer for anything besides bitching here about product updates?

It's funny watching from the other side.

We don't need that much time, we're well practiced. We've been bitching about product updates for years.

[scottiB]

Originally posted by HOMBRESINIESTRO:
M9042LL/A
Dual 2.2 Ghz
512MB PC 3200 DDR
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
160GB Serial ATA
3 64Bit PCI slots, 1 133Mhz, 2@ 100Mhz

M9490LL/A
Dual 2.4 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI Radeon 9800XT
250GB Serial ATA
3 267Mhz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

M9496LL/A
Dual 2.6 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI RAdeon 9800XT
250 GB Serial ATA
3 267MHz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

If these specs are true, hopefully, there'll be more in the configs to differentiate them.

If the 2x2.2 is U$1999, 2x2.4-$2499, and 2x2.6-$2999, there's little reason (unless one needs 267MHz PCI-X slots or the 9800XT--which I'd think'll be a BTO item) to spend the extra U$1k for 800 MHz.

If Apple is having a tough time procuring the 2.6 GHz chips, it may not be a bad thing.

[Link]

eh who cares. As long as there's a powerbook update in it somewhere

[Kenneth]

1GB of RAM comes in standard on the mid-range and high-end models??

AFAIK, Apple tends to give us less RAM. Also DDR RAM price is rising recently.

[3.1416]

I don't believe this, primarily because there's not enough differentiation in processors. The low end will be a single, or there will be a wider range like all-dual 1.8/2.2/2.6. Also I seriously doubt the midrange will have a 9800XT, and I don't expect Apple to all of a sudden start shipping adequate RAM in stock configurations.

Sure would be nice, though. I'd be at the front of the line for the midrange.

[Don Pickett]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Not to troll but do any of you guys actually use a computer for anything besides bitching here about product updates?

Those of us using the machines for heavy lifting are usually too busy working to bitch.

[Lateralus]

Go away Link. Stay in the lounge or something. Just, don't talk about hardware.

[Link]

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
Go away Link. Stay in the lounge or something. Just, don't talk about hardware.

I'm a little teapot,
short and stout,
here is my handle,
here is my spout.
*hammer drops*
whoops, no more teapot.

[Lateralus]

If I could punch you in the nuts, I would.

[Link]

Oh well, at least he got the message..


I say, the one benefit to ANY revision, is they'll hopefully ditch the dual 2.0ghz line, for good. w00t?

[Todd Madson]

Originally posted by Link:
2.2-2.6 would be a ****ing lame hardware update.

Your expectations are a prison.

There will be no 3 ghz update until late summer by my estimations, also known as fall. Deal with it. In other words: announced late summer, shipping in the fall.

Regarding the next batch of upgrades - soon:
I said dual 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 a month or two back. There may be some
slight deviations +/- 200 mhz on either side but this seems fairly
plausible. Video cards notwithstanding. Next 15-20 days I bet.

Possibility of a lower entry level model:
Also, one poster indicated there would be a dual 1.8 - I highly
doubt ANY sub 2 ghz G5 towers will ship. It's been a long time
for us sawtooth and mirror door users and we want at least 2 ghz
to induce us to update. For that kind of money we need at least
2 ghz and it sounds as if Apple will deliver. I could see a
single CPU but I (and most other folks) would prefer a dual.
Bring it on.

[kovacs]

Sounds like a decent update to me, doesn't sound too far fetched to me either...

[villalobos]

For the anecdote, they pretend that governemental agencies have ordered 80,000 Xserve and/or new G5, and that would be one of the reason for the delay.... Take that as you wish.

villa

[Evan_11]

I agree about getting over the 2.0 hump. It's purely psychological from a new buyer stand point. However a dual 1.8 machine for $1999 is a good deal for the power user and Apple won't discount their leftovers heavily enough to justify anything more.

A good price/performance lineup would be:

2.2 single - $1695
1.8 dual - $1999
2.2 dual - $2499
2.4(5?) dual - $2999

possible 3.0 dual come late summer, early fall - $3499

There is also a chance that we'll see another promotion between now and WWDC on the current Powermacs. Knocking a couple hundred off would increase sales and move inventory but I can only see this being a last ditch.

I still can't see an update until then but I'm probably wrong since I just ordered a one.

[ae86_16v]

Originally posted by Turias:
The release date is the only thing that matters...

Exactly, especially at this point. I sure hope that they'll hit 3.0GHz by the end of Summer.

[Turias]

I actually like the idea of removing the single processor machine from the Power Mac lineup. Apple has been criticized in the past over not having a large enough difference between their pro and consumer lines. Making all Power Macs dual-processor machines would help fix that. Also, I believe it would help reduce costs since they would no longer have to design a single-processor case.

[Cadaver]

Dual 2.2 @ the low-end? Sign me up.
I'm going to get a low-end rev. B for the office, whatever it may end up being... I'd be happy to buy a DP2.2 for the office, then take it home and bring the DP2.0 to the office instead

[DeathToWindows]

at this point, not bloody likely.

as an exercise, let's say the above machines were released today:

shipping times
2.2 - next week
2.4 - 2+ wks
2.6 - month

by the time teh channel was fully saturated, it'd be WWDC...

[DeathToWindows]

Originally posted by HOMBRESINIESTRO:

M9042LL/A
Dual 2.2 Ghz
512MB PC 3200 DDR
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
160GB Serial ATA
3 64Bit PCI slots, 1 133Mhz, 2@ 100Mhz

as far as I know, the current 1.6 board can;t handle this setup - PCI to PCI-X, and NOW we're talking...

[Link]

I suspect we'll see something like this in the next month or two.

Dual 1.8ghz g5 - $1999
Dual 2.0ghz g5 - $2499
Dual 2.2ghz g5 - $2999

Same video card options, etc.

[Lateralus]

[Todd Madson]

Originally posted by Link:
I suspect we'll see something like this in the next month or two.

Dual 1.8ghz g5 - $1999
Dual 2.0ghz g5 - $2499
Dual 2.2ghz g5 - $2999

Same video card options, etc.

Too conservative. Plus the "Below 2 ghz psychological stigma"
applies.

No one will buy a 1 ghz computer in 2004 unless it's a laptop.
Pro desktops need to be above 2 ghz.

I could see them blowing old old inventory but two of those
machines are already in the product line. You're basing your
predictions on the former Motorola lassitude.

[olePigeon]

Originally posted by Link:
I'm a little teapot,
short and stout,
here is my handle,
here is my spout.
*hammer drops*
whoops, no more teapot.

I'm a little teapot,
short and stout,
here is my handle,
here is my...
OH SH*T I'M A SUGAR BOWL!

[Eriamjh]

Hmmm. Nothing until late june according to Appleinsider.

[bernardb]

What IS totally LAME is Apple's insistance on using GAME CARDS instead of some real graphics cards that can be used for real world applications like Maya, AE, Lightwave, etc. Pixars release of Renderman for OSX is a step in the right direction, but no serious 3D user can do anything but laugh at the idiotic choice Apple has made for graphics cards in their "high end" machines.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by bernardb:
What IS totally LAME is Apple's insistance on using GAME CARDS instead of some real graphics cards that can be used for real world applications like Maya, AE, Lightwave, etc. Pixars release of Renderman for OSX is a step in the right direction, but no serious 3D user can do anything but laugh at the idiotic choice Apple has made for graphics cards in their "high end" machines.

The GPUs are the same between "pro" cards and game cards. The main differences are minor hardware tweaks and driver support AFAIK.

I suspect when there is more 3D demand on the Mac, there will be more 3D video card choice as well at the high end.

[gate]

Whatever the new configurations, IT IS TOO LATE! I was willing to buy in January or February. Now, I'm waiting for a PCI Express video card and DDR II and Dual 3 GHZ. It is just a few months away. There is no way I'm gonna buy now and be very frustrated next summer!

[Turias]

Originally posted by gate:
Whatever the new configurations, IT IS TOO LATE! I was willing to buy in January or February. Now, I'm waiting for a PCI Express video card and DDR II and Dual 3 GHZ. It is just a few months away. There is no way I'm gonna buy now and be very frustrated next summer!

A few months away? Just like the 2nd revision PowerMacs were a few weeks away back in January? There's always going to be something "a few months away". Such is the world of technology. Just buy it when you need it.

[gate]

Originally posted by Turias:
A few months away? Just like the 2nd revision PowerMacs were a few weeks away back in January? There's always going to be something "a few months away". Such is the world of technology. Just buy it when you need it.

Chances are, I will have to update the video card something like 2 years after I bought the computer. The new hot video card of the moment won't be compatible with the old technology.

And 3 GHZ is like a magic number! And it will be much faster than 2,6 GHZ.

And I can afford to wait.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by gate:
And it will be much faster than 2,6 GHZ.

No it wont.

[gate]

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
No it wont.

"the chip (...) will ship this fall at 2.8-3GHz+ with a major clock-for-clock performance advantage over previous G5s. In addition, it will run much cooler and offer huge power savings due to its advanced power management features."

[Leonard]

Originally posted by gate:
Chances are, I will have to update the video card something like 2 years after I bought the computer. The new hot video card of the moment won't be compatible with the old technology.

gate, as long as there is demand for AGP graphics cards, video card manufacturers will create AGP graphics cards. And with the currently installed base, there is quite the demand. Only a small percentage of the computers in 1 year (and probably 2 years) will have PCI-Express. What's the sense of creating the hottest and greatest graphics card (using PCI-Express), if the majority (using AGP) can't use it. Most users don't buy a new computer every year. If you buy a computer with AGP you should be fine for 4-5 years.

[Thain Esh Kelch]

Originally posted by Link:
2.2-2.6 would be a ****ing lame hardware update.

And you my friend, is a jerk. That would be a major upgrade.

Originally posted by striker100:
So you think Apple's gonna use the ATI 9800XT video card as the standard card in the middle and top of the line G5's?
You know that's not happening.

My exact thought. And 1 Gb ram in the mid-model.

[bkb]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Not to troll but do any of you guys actually use a computer for anything besides bitching here about product updates?

It's funny watching from the other side.

haha

[gate]

Originally posted by Leonard:
gate, as long as there is demand for AGP graphics cards, video card manufacturers will create AGP graphics cards. And with the currently installed base, there is quite the demand. Only a small percentage of the computers in 1 year (and probably 2 years) will have PCI-Express. What's the sense of creating the hottest and greatest graphics card (using PCI-Express), if the majority (using AGP) can't use it. Most users don't buy a new computer every year. If you buy a computer with AGP you should be fine for 4-5 years.

Like you said "as long as there is demand for AGP graphics cards, video card manufacturers will create AGP graphics cards". The demand is for new computers not for the few people who may change. "Most users don't buy a new computer every year" you're right and most users never change the video card.

At this moment, there is no high-end video cards available from ATI. The 9800 and 9600 families are all AGP.

I'd rather wait and buy for the future not for the past.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally posted by gate:
"the chip (...) will ship this fall at 2.8-3GHz+ with a major clock-for-clock performance advantage over previous G5s. In addition, it will run much cooler and offer huge power savings due to its advanced power management features."

Where are you getting this from? Sounds like somebody's wishful thinking.

Originally posted by gate:
At this moment, there is no high-end video cards available from ATI. The 9800 and 9600 families are all AGP.

Huh?

[Mr. Blur]

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Where are you getting this from? Sounds like somebody's wishful thinking.
Huh?

it's wishful thinking. i believe that stuff was taken from everybody's favorite - macosrumors.com.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by gate:
At this moment, there is no high-end video cards available from ATI. The 9800 and 9600 families are all AGP.

If that isn't a contradictory statement, I don't know what is...