[von Wrangell]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4652286.stm

"The Iranians have said 'We want a weapon' and it's not in the world's interests that they have a weapon," Mr Bush said in Washington.

ummmm, would this be a lie or could you perhaps find where the Iranians have said that?

[Shaddim]

Well, they want to "wipe Israel off the map", I'd imagine they'd need some pretty potent weapons to do that... A person would have to be stupidly naive to think Iran wants this technology just for the sake of nuclear power, especially considering how much oil they're sitting on.

[TETENAL]

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/inte...395753,00.html

[…] the head of the IAEA, Mohammed Elbaradei […] no longer excludes the possibility that Iran has a secret atomic weapons program in addition to those nuclear activities known to the IAEA. "If they have the nuclear material and they have a parallel weaponization program along the way, they are really not very far -- a few months -- from a weapon," he said in the interview.

[OSX Abuser]

Maybe we could 'GIVE' a few to Iran.

[tie]

Originally Posted by von Wrangell

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4652286.stm

ummmm, would this be a lie or could you perhaps find where the Iranians have said that?

I think you are stretching here. Iran's intentions are pretty clear.

[cla]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/inte...395753,00.html

Who is the guy on the picture, and how did he become "they"?
Who are "the Iranians"? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

[Spliffdaddy]

The Iranians are the folks who kidnapped our citizens at the American embassy and held them for 333 days.

We haven't yet had the chance to even the score for that one. But we soon will.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

The Iranians are the folks who kidnapped our citizens at the American embassy and held them for 333 days.

The Americans are the folks who toppled the Iranian democracy and installed a dictatorship.

[Spliffdaddy]

And we can do it again.

[black bear theory]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

And we can do it again.

can we? really? okay, i'll play along. what lessons will the US bring to iran, taking into account that we've played there before and were burned?

[black bear theory]

Originally Posted by von Wrangell

ummmm, would this be a lie or could you perhaps find where the Iranians have said that?

remember, no one ever uttered the phrase 'imminent threat'.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

And we can do it again.

Yeah. We saw that in Viet-Nam...

[Spliffdaddy]

Which conflict was it that France won?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(oh, I surrender)

[von Wrangell]

I see no one has found where the Iranians said this.

So I take it this is a lie then.


Continue spinning. It's probably good for your health or something.

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The Americans are the folks who toppled the Iranian democracy and installed a dictatorship.

Hehe there is that IRONY thing again.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by von Wrangell

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4652286.stm

ummmm, would this be a lie or could you perhaps find where the Iranians have said that?

I noticed Bush in his recent speech and he seemed particularly troubled. I think it was a bumblingly unintelligent thing to say. Most of the surveys and polls I see show an Iranian more pro-West than ever (the people, not the government) and an unwillingness to attain "peace and tranquility" through nuclear means. in short, I agree with you in part Von, I believe it was a stupid thing to say and didn't qualify by indicating the apparent dsconnect between a government and her people. I don't think it was a lie so much as a bumble of words. The Iranian government, I believe well-supported by facts and rightly under suspicion by many more than just the US administration, is interested in nuclear weapons technology. The majority of Iranian people however seem not to be. I wished at times I had a more eloquent leader, but I don't regard this as an outright lie.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Which conflict was it that France won?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(oh, I surrender)

But you haven't finished making fun of the Jews and Poles.

[boots]

Originally Posted by OSX Abuser

Maybe we could 'GIVE' a few to Iran.

Interestingly, I just heard a story on the radio about a CIA project that gave flawed plans for a nuclear weapon to Iran. Seems that we were trying to get evidence that they wanted to build a bomb, so we were going to help them build enough to get the evidence. Of course, between China and Russia, the flaws were quickly identified.....

I thought that was interesting. Sorry I don't have a link.

[black bear theory]

Originally Posted by boots

Interestingly, I just heard a story on the radio about a CIA project that gave flawed plans for a nuclear weapon to Iran. Seems that we were trying to get evidence that they wanted to build a bomb, so we were going to help them build enough to get the evidence. Of course, between China and Russia, the flaws were quickly identified.....

I thought that was interesting. Sorry I don't have a link.

yeah. i heard that too. brilliant plan ("project merlin"?). fabricating evidence and reasons... so were does the ME seem to get it's wmd's?

also, the CIA inadvertently sent a double agent contact info for it's agents in iran. afterwards our intellegence gathering ability was rolled up in short order.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by OSX Abuser

Maybe we could 'GIVE' a few to Iran.

Nuclear power plants and other peaceful applications of the technology? They've been offered repeatedly, by the US and by several European countries, in exchange for giving up the program. These offers have been refused every time they were offered.

Why waste the money to reinvent the wheel with peaceful applications of nuclear technology, when you have multiple nations willing to give that technology to you? What rational reason exists, unless what you want is something they aren't willing to give?

[black bear theory]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Nuclear power plants and other peaceful applications of the technology? They've been offered repeatedly, by the US and by several European countries, in exchange for giving up the program. These offers have been refused every time they were offered.

Why waste the money to reinvent the wheel with peaceful applications of nuclear technology, when you have multiple nations willing to give that technology to you? What rational reason exists, unless what you want is something they aren't willing to give?

i think by 'GIVE' he meant dropping some out of an airplane.

the refusal for russian enrichment and disposal is a little disconcerting. it's a win-win situation. i think it might have something to do with national pride though - no country likes to be told what they can or can't do - and nuclear power is on a pretty high pedestal, from a technological standpoint. it would show their sophistication.

plus, why use your own cheap oil, when you can sell it for a lot more.

[von Wrangell]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Nuclear power plants and other peaceful applications of the technology? They've been offered repeatedly, by the US and by several European countries, in exchange for giving up the program. These offers have been refused every time they were offered.

Why waste the money to reinvent the wheel with peaceful applications of nuclear technology, when you have multiple nations willing to give that technology to you? What rational reason exists, unless what you want is something they aren't willing to give?

Because they have seen what happens when you get dependent on Western nations on anything. Trusting the US or the EU on this would be a suicide.

[Busemann]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Well, they want to "wipe Israel off the map", I'd imagine they'd need some pretty potent weapons to do that...

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Well, they want to "wipe Israel off the map", I'd imagine they'd need some pretty potent weapons to do that...

Not necessarily ...



Now, if they said they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet ...

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Now, if they said they want to wipe Israel off the face of the planet ...

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he was saying.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he was saying.

I think many of us missed his threat to the USA, to!

It wasn't just a world without Zionism and Israel that Ahmadinejad and his friends in Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and other terrorist groups were envisioning. It was a world without the United States of America.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, it is literally true. Examine for yourself the photos published here of Ahmadinejad addressing the Tehran conference Oct. 26, 2005.

Some of them will look very familiar. Those showing the Iranian president gesticulating at a podium showing the name of the conference were published worldwide – from Al-Jazeera to the Associated Press. But those showing a wider view – and the complete poster for the event – are getting their biggest audience yet here in WND.

It is worth noting that Ahmadinejad didn't just stroll up to the podium. The Iranian government actually produced the visual aids you see here.

Yes, that is a ball representing the USA cracked at the bottom of that hourglass — with another representing Israel falling later.

It wasn't just the imagery of the conference that was overlooked, ignored, unreported and underplayed by the world press. It was also the anti-American substance of Ahmadinejad's speech.


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

"Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism?" he asked. "But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved."

What is he talking about?

Iran has developed a strategic "war preparation plan" for what it calls the "destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=48430

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/new...p?storyid=4164

"I am hopeful that just as the Palestinian nation continued its struggle for the past ten years, it will continue to maintain its awareness and vigilance. This phase is going to be short-lived. If we put it behind us successfully, God willing, it will pave the way for the annihilation of the Zionist regime and it will be a downhill route.

I warn all the leaders in the Islamic world to beware of this conspiracy. If any of them takes a step towards the recognition of this regime [Israel], then he will burn in the fire of the Islamic umma (nation) and will have eternal shame stamped on his forehead, regardless of whether he did this under pressure by the dominant powers, or lack of understanding or naiveté or selfishness or worldly incentives...The issue of Palestine is the issue of the Islamic world. Those who are closeted behind closed doors cannot make decisions on this issue and the Islamic nation does not allow this historical enemy to exist at the heart of the Islamic world."

[von Wrangell]

Originally Posted by ebuddy

I noticed Bush in his recent speech and he seemed particularly troubled. I think it was a bumblingly unintelligent thing to say. Most of the surveys and polls I see show an Iranian more pro-West than ever (the people, not the government) and an unwillingness to attain "peace and tranquility" through nuclear means. in short, I agree with you in part Von, I believe it was a stupid thing to say and didn't qualify by indicating the apparent dsconnect between a government and her people. I don't think it was a lie so much as a bumble of words. The Iranian government, I believe well-supported by facts and rightly under suspicion by many more than just the US administration, is interested in nuclear weapons technology. The majority of Iranian people however seem not to be. I wished at times I had a more eloquent leader, but I don't regard this as an outright lie.

Though I disagree with you I have to thank you for giving the first honest answer in this thread.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he was saying.

Oh, believe me, I agree completely. There are many other places where his goals are quite obvious. I'm just saying there are many ways to interpret how he sees those goals being met, nuclear weapons being only one possibility.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to conclude from the oft quoted "wipe Israel off the map" statement that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.

[Jawbone54]

"Mahmoud Ahmadinejad"

Now you see why so many people simply refer to him as "Iran's president" in conversation.

[black bear theory]

Originally Posted by boots

Interestingly, I just heard a story on the radio about a CIA project that gave flawed plans for a nuclear weapon to Iran. Seems that we were trying to get evidence that they wanted to build a bomb, so we were going to help them build enough to get the evidence. Of course, between China and Russia, the flaws were quickly identified.....

I thought that was interesting. Sorry I don't have a link.

here are a couple about Merlin from the man who brought us NSA domestic wire-tapping ("State of War" by James Risen)

'CIA bungling hands Iran vital A-bomb clue'

George Bush insists that Iran must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. So why, six years ago, did the CIA give the Iranians blueprints to build a bomb?

MERLIN: The CIA, Iran, And The Bomb

hmm, couldn't find it on google news... enjoy