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von Wrangell · 08:53 PM

Or perhaps they are just all busy.

Just wondering since when it became OK to call Muslims/Arabs "cameljockeys".

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=283928&page=3

Powerbook post near the end of the page.

(and is there no way of direct linking to posts anymore?)

ps. yes, I reported it a while ago.

Chuckit · Feb 1, 2006, 10:03 PM

Not going to address the language thing, but you can direct link to posts — it's just kind of hidden. If you mouse over the reply button, the end of the link will be "p=something", where something is the number of the post. The direct link to that post will then be the page's address + "#post" + the post's number. So that one, for example, is http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...=3#post2862645.

von Wrangell · Feb 1, 2006, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Not going to address the language thing, but you can direct link to posts — it's just kind of hidden. If you mouse over the reply button, the end of the link will be "p=something", where something is the number of the post. The direct link to that post will then be the page's address + "#post" + the post's number. So that one, for example, is http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...=3#post2862645.

Thanks.

Feb 1, 2006, 11:02 PM

I would add it too the censor list but...

von Wrangell · Feb 1, 2006, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Nick

I would add it too the censor list but...

How about just removing it from the post and warn (or temp/permanent ban) the poster?

And I see that vmarks (who's a mod in the PL) has posted yet did nothing about it. Does that mean it is an accepted term around here for Muslims/Arabs?

(not trying to pick a fight or anything just want a clarification on the policy on these matters)

Maflynn · Feb 2, 2006, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by von Wrangell

How about just removing it from the post and warn (or temp/permanent ban) the poster?

Actually I think Nick was hinting at was at one point he went and changed the profantiy filter to all of MACNN to filter out macupdate. I'm not sure why but he got some sort of hair across his butt.

Since then the Mods, staff and admins have made policy changes to people don't go on and inflict their own form of revenge/punishment/modifications

Mike

von Wrangell · Feb 2, 2006, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by Maflynn

Actually I think Nick was hinting at was at one point he went and changed the profantiy filter to all of MACNN to filter out macupdate. I'm not sure why but he got some sort of hair across his butt.

Since then the Mods, staff and admins have made policy changes to people don't go on and inflict their own form of revenge/punishment/modifications

Mike

Yeah, I forgot about that.

But I'm still wondering about that remark PB made. Is it the official policy of MacNN to tolerate racism now? Would it take as long for the mods to do something about someone who would call Jews "kikes" for instance? Or if someone called Africans "niggers"? How about Asians and "rice"?

Would that be tolerated? I doubt it.

Kevin · Feb 2, 2006, 09:23 AM

I am in agreement with von on this one. Lots of offensive slang being thrown around lately.

turtle777 · Feb 2, 2006, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Nick

I would add it too the censor list but...

CharlesS · Feb 2, 2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Nick

I would add it too the censor list but...

... I'd rather sulk in the corner and cry because the admins didn't let me add "MacUpdate" to the swearing filter.

I mean, 'cause "MacUpdate" is far more offensive than any old pansy racial slur! How dare we use such a word as the "M word" on a forum where children could read it! Oh, my virgin ears!

... er, eyes. Or something.

Feb 2, 2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

... I'd rather sulk in the corner and cry because the admins didn't let me add "MacUpdate" to the swearing filter.

I mean, 'cause "MacUpdate" is far more offensive than any old pansy racial slur! How dare we use such a word as the "M word" on a forum where children could read it! Oh, my virgin ears!

... er, eyes. Or something.

will do

CharlesS · Feb 2, 2006, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Nick

will do

Will do what?

Feb 2, 2006, 03:23 PM

Sulk in the corner and cry because the admins didn't let me add "PointlessTurtleHouse" to the swearing filter.

turtle777 · Feb 2, 2006, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Nick

"PointlessTurtleHouse" .

Wow, from cameljockeys to turtlehouses...

Railroader · Feb 2, 2006, 10:33 PM

Racist comments seem to be welcome here. I have pointed out a number by Rolling Bone's posts with racist comments and he has yet to even get a warning as far as I know. He now taunts me with the fact that he gets away with it.

Sorry you have to read such a ignorant racial slur VW.

I think racist comments should be grounds for an instant ban for one week. Do it again and banned for a month. Third time, you're out.

vmarks · Feb 2, 2006, 11:56 PM

The rules are as they have always been: Just because you or someone else may manage to get away with something doesn't mean that it is now okay to violate the rules.

Just because vW happens to take offense does not mean it is now ok for all manner of other offensive words to be used. There's a lot of bile in the Pol/Lounge forum, and very little time to track it all.

Railroader · Feb 2, 2006, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by vmarks

Just because vW happens to take offense does not mean it is now ok for all manner of other offensive words to be used.

This sentence makes no sense to me.

turtle777 · Feb 3, 2006, 12:12 AM

It's not like vW doesn't dish out stuff himself...

von Wrangell · Feb 3, 2006, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Racist comments seem to be welcome here. I have pointed out a number by Rolling Bone's posts with racist comments and he has yet to even get a warning as far as I know. He now taunts me with the fact that he gets away with it.

Sorry you have to read such a ignorant racial slur VW.

I think racist comments should be grounds for an instant ban for one week. Do it again and banned for a month. Third time, you're out.

Thank you.

Not often we agree but this is one of those few instances.

von Wrangell · Feb 3, 2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by vmarks

The rules are as they have always been: Just because you or someone else may manage to get away with something doesn't mean that it is now okay to violate the rules.

Just because vW happens to take offense does not mean it is now ok for all manner of other offensive words to be used.

There's a lot of bile in the Pol/Lounge forum, and very little time to track it all.

That's why I reported it as I know you guys (moderators) don't have time to read everything.

Person Man · Feb 3, 2006, 11:27 AM

While the moderators may not think so, "camelj*ckey" is just as much an offensive racial slur to muslims/arabs as "n*gger" is to black people (especially when used by a white person).

Since "n*gger" is in the offensive language filter, the request is for "camelj*ckey" to go in it as well.

This is orders of magnitude worse than adding "Macupdate" to the filter.

Kevin · Feb 3, 2006, 11:38 AM

There are a lot that should go on there as well. But they wont add them

Chuckit · Feb 3, 2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Person Man

Since "n*gger" is in the offensive language filter, the request is for "camelj*ckey" to go in it as well.

Then people will just spell it "camel jockey" instead of "cameljockey."

Originally Posted by Person Man

This is orders of magnitude worse than adding "Macupdate" to the filter.

Not really. While this may allow offensive people to say offensive things without having 0.5% of the post starred out, at least it doesn't break perfectly useful posts. Unbeknownst to some people, there are parts of this site that are actually about Mac software and not just angry political name-calling.

Incidentally, are you so much more offended by somebody saying "Those cameljockeys are all terrorists who hate our American values" than you would be by somebody saying "Those ***********s are all terrorists who hate our American values"? It would be pretty clear from context who they're insulting and what they think of them either way.

Feb 3, 2006, 01:21 PM

Actually I'm pretty sure it wouldnt break existing posts unless they were edited.

vmarks · Feb 3, 2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Person Man

While the moderators may not think so, "camelj*ckey" is just as much an offensive racial slur to muslims/arabs as "n*gger" is to black people (especially when used by a white person).

Since "n*gger" is in the offensive language filter, the request is for "camelj*ckey" to go in it as well.

This is orders of magnitude worse than adding "Macupdate" to the filter.

In case you don't understand, we DO think that camel* is offensive.

Shoot, most of the terrorists who blow themselves up in automobiles use toyotas, mercedes, and isuzus. Donkeys have been used as means for bomb delivery. Camels are pretty much modes of transportation in Morroco* and areas where Bedouin live. Use of the term camel* is inaccurate and offensive.

* My wife's cousin's father was offered 8 camels as a dowry.

Just because the offensive term stays online for a few days does not entitle vW to go posting many other offensive terms as he has done in this thread or in the one that prompted this thread.

Demonhood · Feb 3, 2006, 06:12 PM

i've been busy (and still am).

not everything is a conspiracy or intentionally jerky.

Kevin · Feb 3, 2006, 06:29 PM

Pitchfork Stabber!

CharlesS · Feb 3, 2006, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Nick

Actually I'm pretty sure it wouldnt break existing posts unless they were edited.

Um, when you added "MacUpdate" to the filter, it did modify all the existing posts in a bunch of threads, unless that was you doing it manually.

Are you ever going to just let this go? I think you need a vacation.

Feb 4, 2006, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Um, when you added "MacUpdate" to the filter, it did modify all the existing posts in a bunch of threads, unless that was you doing it manually.

In fact, I was.

Kerrigan · Feb 4, 2006, 11:41 AM

If racial slurs produce intellitxt links, then I don't see the problem.

Spliffdaddy · Feb 4, 2006, 12:09 PM

What about the word "redneck" ?

See, I get called a "redneck" quite often - but I'm not sure if it's a term of endearment or if it's a derogatory comment.

For example;

Spliff, you're a backward-assed inbred cornbread-eating redneck hillbilly...

When, in reality, I *do* eat a lot of cornbread...but my neck is not red and my parents weren't blood relatives. My ass appears to be in the back, so that part is true. And I *am* a hillbilly.

I'm confused.

aberdeenwriter · Feb 4, 2006, 01:00 PM

http://www.camelraces.com/

Camel Jockeys in the Middle East

It is a fact that any animal can travel faster with a small rider than with a large one. Horse and camel jockeys are chosen for their size, but it would take a little effort to find small adults to ride the camels. Around the Middle East, rather than make this effort, child slaves are used as jockeys on the camels. It is easier for the oil rich gulf countries to continue, as they have done for hundreds of years, to buy children from the poorer countries across the gulf in the Indian subcontinent and to force them to work as camel jockeys.

And one should presume that calling an actual camel jockey a camel jockey wouldn't be offensive. Or would it?

However, all kidding aside, there is no place for such slurs. Seriously.

Kevin · Feb 4, 2006, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

What about the word "redneck" ?

See, I get called a "redneck" quite often - but I'm not sure if it's a term of endearment or if it's a derogatory comment.

For example;

Spliff, you're a backward-assed inbred cornbread-eating redneck hillbilly...

When, in reality, I *do* eat a lot of cornbread...but my neck is not red and my parents weren't blood relatives. My ass appears to be in the back, so that part is true. And I *am* a hillbilly.

I'm confused.

I've been saying this for years.

von Wrangell · Feb 4, 2006, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Demonhood

i've been busy (and still am).

not everything is a conspiracy or intentionally jerky.

Didn't think it was a conspiracy or anything. Just thought it was a bit weird how long it took. That and that vmarks posted IIRC three times before doing anything about it in that thread.

But since it's been dealt with there's no problem.

Kevin · Feb 4, 2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by von Wrangell

That and that vmarks posted IIRC three times before doing anything about it in that thread.

And that is what this is really about isn't it?

analogika · Feb 5, 2006, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

And that is what this is really about isn't it?

bizarre enough.

Kevin · Feb 5, 2006, 05:05 PM

That von likes to make big deals out of things that pertain to vmarks?

Kerrigan · Feb 6, 2006, 01:18 AM

"The Jews are leeches, they're all leeches"

besson3c · Feb 7, 2006, 02:25 AM

You could make the argument for racist statements in this thread too

analogika · Feb 7, 2006, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

That von likes to make big deals out of things that pertain to vmarks?

That vmarks is a representative of the powers-that-be, yet sees no problem with letting borderline or truly offensive content slide - or providing it himself on occasion.

CharlesS · Feb 7, 2006, 07:19 AM

Kevin · Feb 7, 2006, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

That vmarks is a representative of the powers-that-be, yet sees no problem with letting borderline or truly offensive content slide - or providing it himself on occasion.

Hmm, I never read that. Where are you getting your information from?

I did hear him say

"There's a lot of bile in the Pol/Lounge forum, and very little time to track it all."

Not that he saw no problem with letting such content slide.

No need to exaggerate.

And CharlesS, That's a keeper!

Ω · Feb 7, 2006, 09:10 AM

Solution

Did notice you got tooki twice - and I also believe nick is "gone...."

Gamoe · Feb 7, 2006, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Um, when you added "MacUpdate" to the filter, it did modify all the existing posts in a bunch of threads, unless that was you doing it manually.

Originally Posted by Nick

In fact, I was.

You were manually editing and censoring all posts where MacUpdate was mentioned?

turtle777 · Feb 7, 2006, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ω

Solution

Did notice you got tooki twice - and I also believe nick is "gone...."

You win a one-legged hampstor !

CharlesS · Feb 7, 2006, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Ω

Did notice you got tooki twice - and I also believe nick is "gone...."

Yep, Tooki getting duped was due to a mistake on my part. I was wondering if anyone would notice that.

Originally Posted by Gabriel Morales

You were manually editing and censoring all posts where MacUpdate was mentioned?

Not the most efficient use of time for a MacNN Staff member... perhaps his replacement will help fix the problems with the server instead.

turtle777 · Feb 7, 2006, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Not the most efficient use of time for a MacNN Staff member... perhaps his replacement will help fix the problems with the server instead.

Well, if I ran the place, I would have taken away Nick's computer and locked him in a human-sized hamster-wheel

DeathToWindows · Feb 7, 2006, 10:05 PM

I'd have gone for the Machine for Calming Violent Lunatics meself...

Gamoe · Feb 8, 2006, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Yep, Tooki getting duped was due to a mistake on my part. I was wondering if anyone would notice that.

What happened to Tookie?

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Not the most efficient use of time for a MacNN Staff member... perhaps his replacement will help fix the problems with the server instead.

Indeed. I can't believe that. I don't understand why this guy was given the position he was. It seems to me as if he was put there because he knows someone or is related to someone on the staff. And I can't help but think that he's a rather young and/or immature individual judging by his posts, actions and his (I believe) Eminem sig.