[Art Vandelay]

I'm a bit rusty on this but the Master Browser is the computer responsible for NetBIOS requests for a subnet. When a user browses Network Neighborhood or tries to map a drive directly, the NetBIOS requests to map the NetBIOS name to the actual computer on the network is handled by the Master Browser.

Normally, the Master Browser is the PC (or computer running SMB/CIFS) with the most seniority on a subnet. Seniority is determined by OS version and its role. The newer the OS, the higher the seniority. The higher the role (client, file server, BDC, PDC, etc) the higher the seniority. The "election" is when a group of PCs try to determine who should be the Master Browser via some sort of communication. Of course, with most things Microsoft, it never works as intended. When I used to run a Windows network, we had to manually set the Master Browser to be the PDC and disable it on everything else. Otherwise, some lowly little computer would get it and never show all the computers in Network Neighborhood. Or two would claim it and conflict with each other.

This stirs up all sorts of memories which make me glad I'm no longer a Windows admin.

[milenko11]

This update really screwed up my Quicksilver 867 G4. I can't access my airport station anymore and can't get on the internet with it. My clock and a few other things are missing from the top of the screen. Not sure where to go from here.

[zerostar]

10.4.8 really fixed the smb sharing at my work, i transfer some 400-500mb files across and this would crap out the win 2K shares every few times, now i just did four and no problems with a steady progress bar! (it usually stop 1/2 way,, and then bam craps out or finishes 30 seconds later)

Very nice!

[dimmer]

This stirs up all sorts of memories which make me glad I'm no longer a Windows admin.

Yeah, I'm so with you on that. Start up a laptop off-net? It's the PDC (Primary Domain Controller), attach it to a net it's STILL PDC, and it won't give that up. That DNS was already baked and boiled didn't stop MS from making their own "new" version. Biy, the number of times I could have punched Master Bates in the head just for that.

[gregpins]

What version number of Mail do folks show after installing 10.4.8? I have the 3 column hack installed, and want to make sure it didn't interfere with 10.4.8 updating Mail.

[Cadaver]

Just noticed that 10.4.8 seems to fix the PowerPoint 2004 slideshow bug with the 30" cinema display. Used to show the image shifted up about 1/2 screen, with the top wrapping around to the bottom. Doesn't do it any longer.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by tkmd

Open GL acceleration is the new quartz extreme 2d apparently vaporware. Not in this update.

Um no. Quartz Extreme 2D is something completely different.

[turtle777]

Does it play OGG now

-t

[Catfish_Man]

Originally Posted by goMac

Um no. Quartz Extreme 2D is something completely different.

I think he's saying it's like it in that it apparently works at least partially, but never seems to materialize in updates.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Catfish_Man

I think he's saying it's like it in that it apparently works at least partially, but never seems to materialize in updates.

Ah.

Well technically it is released. If you have a new iMac or Mac Pro.

[WOPR]

Originally Posted by JKT

There's a new feature in 10.4.8 - take a look at the Mouse preferences and see the new way to initiate Zooming.

That's in 10.4.7 on my Core 2 Duo, I noticed it last night by fluke.

[pheonixash]

Mine is only 147 MB for 10.4.8 on my MacBook.

[Photo678]

anybody else notice a 2-3 second delay when clicking on the airport menu in the menu bar?

[all2ofme]

Ha ha ha! Like it.

There's a great NZ band with your username, BTW.

Back on topic - I'm going to sit this one out until my Mac Pro arrives (this week sometime). Glad to see mainly positive reports so far, though.

Originally Posted by dimmer

I've got some shirts that could use that love.

[kiskynet]

MacBook Pro and possibly other Intel Macs proceed with caution. It might cripple you're airport, it just did mine.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread....39762&#3239762

[greenamp]

My MBP runs at full throttle 2.17ghz almost all the time now with barely any cpu usuage. Odd?

[zorrito]

Originally Posted by kiskynet

MacBook Pro and possibly other Intel Macs proceed with caution. It might cripple you're airport, it just did mine.
Apple - Support - Discussions - 10.4.8 Airport Issues ...

SAME PROBLEM HERE WHAT CAN WE DO NOW!!!

[JKT]

For Airport issues, read this report at MacFixIt

[angelmb]

Originally Posted by gregpins

What version number of Mail do folks show after installing 10.4.8? I have the 3 column hack installed, and want to make sure it didn't interfere with 10.4.8 updating Mail.

Here you go:

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

I'm a bit rusty on this but the Master Browser is the computer responsible for NetBIOS requests for a subnet. When a user browses Network Neighborhood or tries to map a drive directly, the NetBIOS requests to map the NetBIOS name to the actual computer on the network is handled by the Master Browser.

Normally, the Master Browser is the PC (or computer running SMB/CIFS) with the most seniority on a subnet. Seniority is determined by OS version and its role. The newer the OS, the higher the seniority. The higher the role (client, file server, BDC, PDC, etc) the higher the seniority. The "election" is when a group of PCs try to determine who should be the Master Browser via some sort of communication. Of course, with most things Microsoft, it never works as intended. When I used to run a Windows network, we had to manually set the Master Browser to be the PDC and disable it on everything else. Otherwise, some lowly little computer would get it and never show all the computers in Network Neighborhood. Or two would claim it and conflict with each other.

This stirs up all sorts of memories which make me glad I'm no longer a Windows admin.

You can go back to your happy place now Art. Thanks for the lucid explanation (as opposed to my fuzzy recall and even fuzzier explanation earlier).

[Sophus]

Strange, my Mail shows Version 2.1.1 (752.3) after updating to 10.4.8.

[seanc]

Originally Posted by Sophus

Strange, my Mail shows Version 2.1.1 (752.3) after updating to 10.4.8.

Are you on PPC or Intel? Mine is the same as angelmb's on my PowerMac G3.

[Hi I'm Ben]

Yes Mail definitely changed... my icon reverted to the original Mail.app one. Maybe it will stop forgetting what spam is. Thunderbird has been much better with it's learning system than mail.

[Sophus]

[QUOTE=seanc]

Originally Posted by Sophus

Strange, my Mail shows Version 2.1.1 (752.3) after updating to 10.4.8.[/quote

Are you on PPC or Intel? Mine is the same as angelmb's on my PowerMac G3.

I'm on Intel (MacBook Pro).

[SirCastor]

Hmm...
22.3 MB for me..

[seanc]

Originally Posted by Sophus

I'm on Intel (MacBook Pro).

Perhaps Intel computers have a different version than PPC then.

[SpaceMonkey]

After the update to 10.4.8, I'm getting a really long (like 25 seconds) delay between selecting "sleep" in the Apple menu, and my PowerBook actually sleeping.

[popstand]

Anybody experiencing longer startup times with this update. Both my Macs stay on the solid gray screen much longer at startup than they did before the update. Not so much an issue for my home Mac, which stays on all the time, but a bit of a hindrance for the laptop.

[SLiMeX]

Has anyone noticed thier screen is now a little bluer?

[seanc]

Your colour sync profile has probably changed, try changing it back to what it was originally.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by rickey939

TransparentDock still works!

w00t.

Not on my G5.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

After the update to 10.4.8, I'm getting a really long (like 25 seconds) delay between selecting "sleep" in the Apple menu, and my PowerBook actually sleeping.

Update: this may have been because of a giant Adium (0.89.1) memory leak. I felt like there was a lot of swapping going on, so I opened Activity Monitor and it turns out Adium was using about 510 MB! (I have 1 GB total).

I'll see if the problem goes away the next time I sleep my machine.

[rickey939]

Originally Posted by Don Pickett

Not on my G5.

Weird.

[SLiMeX]

Originally Posted by seanc

Your colour sync profile has probably changed, try changing it back to what it was originally.

Since the day I got it, it's been set to the color LCD choice.

[seanc]

Well 10.3.9 used to cause my iBook G4 to randomly change the colour sync profile to some random one.

[chris v]

Originally Posted by SLiMeX

Since the day I got it, it's been set to the color LCD choice.

You really should go to the trouble to calibrate it yourself using the Display Calibrator Assistant. (click the 'Calibrate...' button in the Displays Pref Pane (color tab). Use 'expert mode' -- it's a check-box in the fist window of the Calibration Assistant. You can save the profile you create, then compare it to the one you've been using to see which you like best. I always get better results with a custom profile than I do just using the stock provided ones.

[Don Pickett]

Originally Posted by rickey939

Weird.

edit: That's weird. Was getting that message. Then tried one of the themes, which turned my dock back to the default. Then I was able to use TransparentDock, but I had to rebuild it.

[workerbee]

Originally Posted by popstand

Anybody experiencing longer startup times with this update. Both my Macs stay on the solid gray screen much longer at startup than they did before the update. Not so much an issue for my home Mac, which stays on all the time, but a bit of a hindrance for the laptop.

First startup after the update was very slow; now it's back to normal.

[AllanCook]

I wish I hadn't installed this update. My MB screen is a sickly blue color, and the Java animation at this link The official U.S. time - clock doesn't work. That's all I know right now.

Yes, I've repaired permissions (although I've never had to do so before).

Yes, I've reinstalled and then checked permissions (although I've never had to do so before).

Yes, I've repaired permissions, reinstalled, repaired permissions again and restarted (although I've never had to do that before, either).

Face it, Apple blew this one. They need to update this update immediately.

[JKT]

... or you could just calibrate your screen to get it the way you want.

What made you think repairing permissions would help here? You've just been wasting your time.

[Sophus]

Originally Posted by AllanCook

I wish I hadn't installed this update. My MB screen is a sickly blue color, and the Java animation at this link The official U.S. time - clock doesn't work. That's all I know right now.

Yes, I've repaired permissions (although I've never had to do so before).

Yes, I've reinstalled and then checked permissions (although I've never had to do so before).

Yes, I've repaired permissions, reinstalled, repaired permissions again and restarted (although I've never had to do that before, either).

Face it, Apple blew this one. They need to update this update immediately.

ColorSync for some Rosetta applications were updated (bugfixes) according to Apple. This may have altered interpretation of certain colorsync profiles. As someone suggested, you should always calibrate your screen. It is absolutely worth the 5 minutes spent as the default profiles always are way off.

As regards the java animation; the daylight clock works, the other part that is supposed to show the "correct time" seems to hang. What makes you so sure that this is due to an error attributable to Apple? It could be due to at least 10 other likely events that has nothing to do with Apple software or hardware, i.e. that the timeserver it relies upon is down, programming error, server error, firewall misconfiguration etc.

It could be that you have jumped to conclusions...

[AllanCook]

Originally Posted by Sophus

ColorSync for some Rosetta applications were updated (bugfixes) according to Apple. This may have altered interpretation of certain colorsync profiles. As someone suggested, you should always calibrate your screen. It is absolutely worth the 5 minutes spent as the default profiles always are way off.

As regards the java animation; the daylight clock works, the other part that is supposed to show the "correct time" seems to hang. What makes you so sure that this is due to an error attributable to Apple? It could be due to at least 10 other likely events that has nothing to do with Apple software or hardware, i.e. that the timeserver it relies upon is down, programming error, server error, firewall misconfiguration etc.

It could be that you have jumped to conclusions...

Because it worked fine before I installed the update?

Because I made no alterations to anything before I updated?

This isn't just me; there are hundreds of posts describing myriad problems on the Apple OSX discussion board. http://discussions.apple.com/categor...categoryID=160. Apple needs to fix this update.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by AllanCook

Because it worked fine before I installed the update?

Because I made no alterations to anything before I updated?

This isn't just me; there are hundreds of posts describing myriad problems on the Apple OSX discussion board. Apple - Support - Discussions - Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger. Apple needs to fix this update.

So...have you tried calibrating your monitor yet?

[Dillon-K]

dammit, why do Apple updates screw everything up?! it's pissing me off that I have to search the web for a week each time they release an update before i can install anything!

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by tkmd

Open GL acceleration is the new quartz extreme 2d apparently vaporware. Not in this update.

I don't understand this statement.

Originally Posted by goMac

Ah.

Well technically it is released. If you have a new iMac or Mac Pro.

It is?

[Sophus]

Originally Posted by AllanCook

Because it worked fine before I installed the update?

Because I made no alterations to anything before I updated?

This isn't just me; there are hundreds of posts describing myriad problems on the Apple OSX discussion board. Apple - Support - Discussions - Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger. Apple needs to fix this update.

Well, I think not. Simply because there are millions of people without any problems and that it is likely that several of the hundreds of reported problems stem from such things as incompatible/old third-party drivers (Keyspan USB server kernel extension for instance), bad ram, bad hard-disks, changed/altered/moved/renamed OSX base components making the install go borked, people aborting second reboot, believing their computer not being functional when all it is really doing is install/maintenance scripts/cleanups and probably hundreds of other random problems or problems caused by stupidity. When you upgrade some tens of millions of personal computers, quite a few hundred will always go wrong, even though there is nothing wrong with the software per se.

So, have you calibrated your monitor yet? I am curious as the blue tint is all that seems "seriously wrong" with you Mac (FYI. the The official U.S. time - clock clock does not work on my PC either today). My guess is that the something is wrong with the website as suggested in my first response to you and that it has nothing to do with 10.4.8.

[dimmer]

dammit, why do Apple updates screw everything up?! it's pissing me off that I have to search the web for a week each time they release an update before i can install anything!

Why do Apple updates screw everything up? Hmm, last I checked gravity still worked. Updates usually screw up little to nothing for most folks, but you do hear a lot of whines from people on bulletin boards about tiny issues often of their own making ("I installed a GIMP 2.0 sub-driver in my iSub that I hacked with a custom icon of Ashlee Simpson and now when I work out I don't lose weight! DAMN YOU APPLE!)

Some people will have problems with updates: usually around 0.01%. But man, will they make it known. As my old chum David Cross would say: "Shut up you bleeping baby!".

A better way: backup. Install update. When nothing goes wrong, you are golden. if it does restore from backup. Net/net, you lost nothing, you have a backup set, you have a lovely new blue tint to remind you to reset ColorSync. It's a way better way to go that trusting yahoos on the web.

[CatOne]

Originally Posted by Dillon-K

dammit, why do Apple updates screw everything up?! it's pissing me off that I have to search the web for a week each time they release an update before i can install anything!

I have never had a problem with any update. What is screwed up? You *must* be using lots of haxies or nonstandard extensions that break the updates -- this is just not Apple's fault... you need to stop using poorly written tweaks that break stuff.

[graphics84]

hum, this install seems to have fixed a problem I was having with me MacBook Pro 2.0 (heating up with the lid closed)... so far no problem... lets see if Photoshop is faster

Now I don't expect it to be faster but wouldn't it be great in lue of Adobe updating CS suite that Apple would take the innovate and upgrade Roseta to make it run faster?.. well my 2 cents

[Frans]

Is it just me, or is my Macbook suddenly much slower? The widgets in dashboard are extremely sluggish, and overall performance has last it's 'snappy'-ness. It's more like I'm back on my old 12" G4 Powerbook....