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Apr 7, 2005, 12:46 PM
 
Originally posted by starman:
When you DS fanboys stay out of the PSP threads, we'll consider taking your request seriously.

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Apr 7, 2005, 12:51 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
Hmmm... spell check clears. Looks grammatically correct. But if you'd like to have english class with Ronnie go ahead...
English with a capital E, PLEASE! Moron.
     
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Apr 7, 2005, 01:10 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
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Sorry, but you invaded the PSP thread first.

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Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
English with a capital E, PLEASE! Moron.
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Apr 7, 2005, 01:11 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
Wow... so many things wrong with this. Short list:

a) PSP is the newer system, it will sell better for a while.
No the overall sales are higher. That means total units sold, not just for the week.

The DS has been out for longer and therefor should have sold more.

Any fanboy who buys the gigantic DS to replace the portable GBA to play GBA games is a total idiot.

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Apr 7, 2005, 01:14 PM
 
Ok lets just say for a second any of the rumors are true. That the controller has giros or a touch screen with customizable buttons. There, sounds neat. Now explain to use Hawk and Go how this would make a better gaming experience and have people drooling for a Nintendo.

Honestly, lay it on me.

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Apr 7, 2005, 01:21 PM
 
Originally posted by starman:
Sorry, but you invaded the PSP thread first.

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I wasn't the one who brought up the DS in the PSP thread. Don't look at me. I don't even own one.
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Apr 7, 2005, 01:28 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
I wasn't the one who brought up the DS in the PSP thread. Don't look at me. I don't even own one.
Yet you're an expert.

Now read my previous post and wow us.

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Apr 7, 2005, 01:54 PM
 
Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Ok lets just say for a second any of the rumors are true. That the controller has giros or a touch screen with customizable buttons. There, sounds neat. Now explain to use Hawk and Go how this would make a better gaming experience and have people drooling for a Nintendo.

Honestly, lay it on me.
Considering we have no idea what Nintendo is doing for control scheme it would be kinda pointless to go over the pros and cons for each possible one.
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Apr 7, 2005, 02:15 PM
 
I'm interested in knowing what the CPU will be like.

We already know that Cell is 1xPPE + 8xSPE.
We already know that Xenon likely uses 3xPPE.

What about Revolution? Is it another PPE-based solution? We already know it's PowerPC.
     
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Apr 7, 2005, 02:17 PM
 
25 years of the Nintendo Revolution

1980


2005




The rest of the industry

1980


2005





Conclusion: Nintendo will never evolve or revolve.
     
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Apr 7, 2005, 02:23 PM
 
Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
I'm interested in knowing what the CPU will be like.

We already know that Cell is 1xPPE + 8xSPE.
We already know that Xenon likely uses 3xPPE.

What about Revolution? Is it another PPE-based solution? We already know it's PowerPC.
Doesn't really matter because all the games will look like this

     
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Apr 7, 2005, 02:36 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
Considering we have no idea what Nintendo is doing for control scheme it would be kinda pointless to go over the pros and cons for each possible one.
No, give me your WILDEST dreams based on the rumors. I mean anything that you can think of that they would do realistically that would stun others.

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Apr 7, 2005, 02:40 PM
 
Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
Doesn't really matter because all the games will look like this

don't make fun of me man. I'm saving money for new clothes but first I wanna buy PSP.
     
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Apr 7, 2005, 02:57 PM
 
Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
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Thats a pretty ugly screenshot. The people in it are.. uhh.. flat? Thats very nice realism. Not to mention the mountain in the background is ultra jaggy. Actually the buildings are flat. So are the trees. Is this the best the PS3 can do? Cause the Gamecube could wipe the floor with this.
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Apr 7, 2005, 02:59 PM
 
Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
No, give me your WILDEST dreams based on the rumors. I mean anything that you can think of that they would do realistically that would stun others.
Ummmm... it would be a neural connection to your mind?

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Apr 7, 2005, 03:02 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
Ummmm... it would be a neural connection to your mind?

You know what the word realistically means?

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Apr 7, 2005, 03:04 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
. Is this the best the PS3 can do?
Uh...it's Gran Turismo 4 on running on the four year old PS2. While the following is running on Nintendo's amazing 2005 machine




Cause the Gamecube could wipe the floor with this.
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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
You know what the word realistically means?
I'm just making up stuff, like you told me to.
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Apr 7, 2005, 03:06 PM
 
Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
Uh...it's Gran Turismo 4 on running on the four year old PS2.




Evidence?
You want evidence that the Gamecube could wipe the PS2 graphically? I'd be surprised if SWG would debate this one, although I wouldn't put it past him. PS2 is below both XBox and Gamecube graphically. It's all over the internet. You could just do a Google search.

I've never seen a Gamecube game that makes that much use of 2D textures.
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Apr 7, 2005, 03:08 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
You want evidence that the Gamecube could wipe the PS2 graphically? I'd be surprised if SWG would debate this one, although I wouldn't put it past him. PS2 is below both XBox and Gamecube graphically. It's all over the internet. You could just do a Google search.
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Apr 7, 2005, 03:09 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
You want evidence that the Gamecube could wipe the PS2 graphically? I'd be surprised if SWG would debate this one, although I wouldn't put it past him. PS2 is below both XBox and Gamecube graphically. It's all over the internet. You could just do a Google search.

I've never seen a Gamecube game that makes that much use of 2D textures.
I've never seen a GC do 1080i.

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Apr 7, 2005, 03:09 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
I'm just making up stuff, like you told me to.
I said come up with a "realistic" idea that Nintendo could use that would wow everyone, you seem to be avoiding the question. Even based on the rumors so far, what is so impressive about it?

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Apr 7, 2005, 03:11 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
You want evidence that the Gamecube could wipe the PS2 graphically? I'd be surprised if SWG would debate this one, although I wouldn't put it past him. PS2 is below both XBox and Gamecube graphically. It's all over the internet. You could just do a Google search.

I've never seen a Gamecube game that makes that much use of 2D textures.
Hey here is news for ya, the gamecube is great hardware, other than the small disk storage. It COULD kill the PS2 graphically in some ways but not sound wise.

Nintendo doesn't touch 480p or 1080i or internet, this is what people want though.

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Apr 7, 2005, 03:11 PM
 
Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
No, you do the Googling and post game comparisons
...the Xbox is the technically superior console in terms of processing power, followed by the GameCube, and then the Playstation 2, which is a year older than the others and showing its age.

http://nintendo.about.com/od/editori...mcompare_2.htm

Took me about 30 seconds to fine.
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Originally posted by goMac:
...the Xbox is the technically superior console in terms of processing power, followed by the GameCube, and then the Playstation 2, which is a year older than the others and showing its age.

http://nintendo.about.com/od/editori...mcompare_2.htm

Took me about 30 seconds to fine.
If you cared about system comparisons like that you would have conceded that the PSP kicks the DS's backside black. Show some game comparisons side by side and eat it.
     
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Originally posted by goMac:
...the Xbox is the technically superior console in terms of processing power, followed by the GameCube, and then the Playstation 2, which is a year older than the others and showing its age.
That is the only accurate thing you have ever said.

In terms of sound though the Cube is at the bottom.

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Apr 7, 2005, 03:15 PM
 
Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Hey here is news for ya, the gamecube is great hardware, other than the small disk storage. It COULD kill the PS2 graphically in some ways but not sound wise.

Nintendo doesn't touch 480p or 1080i or internet, this is what people want though.
Right. Because hooking up a graphically outdated console to a HDTV will suddenly make it look all that much better.
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Fixed you, bitch! I rule


Originally posted by goMac:
Right. Because hooking up a graphically outdated handheld console to two small screens will suddenly make it look all that much better.
     
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Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
Fixed you, bitch! I rule
You know.. I was just about to comment on this:

Nintendo on Revolution: It's not the graphics, it's the features!

SWG on PS2 vs. Gamecube: It's not the graphics, it's the features!
SWG on DS vs. PSP: It's not the features, it's the graphics!
SWG on Revolution vs. PS3: It's not the features, it's the graphics!

Make up your mind you two.
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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Nintendo doesn't touch 480p or 1080i or internet, this is what people want though.
Actually, most of the GC games I have do 480p.

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goMac gets fixed again.

Originally posted by goMac:


goMac on PS2 vs. Gamecube: It's the graphics potential, not the games or how they look in reality side by side!
goMac on DS vs. PSP: It's not the games or features it's the cute touchscreen
goMac on Revolution vs. PS3: Everybody is crazy but me whaaa whaaa whaaa mummy.
Post the game comparisons and which version plays better.
     
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Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
goMac gets fixed again.



Post the game comparisons and which version plays better.
How about you search them up? The Gamecube version is going to play faster because the hardware is more powerful and the FPS will be higher.
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Originally posted by goMac:
The Gamecube version is going to play faster because the hardware is more powerful and the FPS will be higher.
Huh? So you agree the PSP is better than the DS because the hardware is more powerful and the FPS will be higher? What about your 'the quality and playability of games matter more' idea?
     
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Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
Huh? So you agree the PSP is better than the DS because the hardware is more powerful and the FPS will be higher? What about your 'the quality and playability of games matter more' idea?
Wow.. you're good at beating me to posts. I was about to say its kinda funny. The DS will lose because it has worse graphics. The Revolution will lose because it has worse graphics. But somehow the PS2 owns the market with the worst graphics? And the DS still owns the handheld market?

Gee.. Yeah. Looks like the Revolution is doomed to the same fate as the PS2 because they both had horrible graphics compared to the rest.
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Originally posted by goMac:
Right. Because hooking up a graphically outdated console to a HDTV will suddenly make it look all that much better.
If you have actually looked at GT4 on an HDTV you would agree 100%. Gt4 in 1080i LOOKS so damn incredible I was beside myself. It looks better than any Xbox game in hd.
I never would have thought the PS2 could do it but it does it without a hitch.

You need to get out of your nintendo world and at least try other systems. Heck try taking a break from talking about how the PSP sucks and run to a friends house with one.

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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
If you have actually looked at GT4 on an HDTV you would agree 100%. Gt4 in 1080i LOOKS so damn incredible I was beside myself. It looks better than any Xbox game in hd.
I never would have thought the PS2 could do it but it does it without a hitch.

You need to get out of your nintendo world and at least try other systems. Heck try taking a break from talking about how the PSP sucks and run to a friends house with one.
I do have friends with PS2's. Not here at college though. Everyone in my dorm has a Gamecube strangely enough, but I think there's an XBox next door.

Oh, that and I don't have an HDTV, so I uhhh.. wouldn't care.
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Originally posted by goMac:
Wow.. you're good at beating me to posts. I was about to say its kinda funny. The DS will lose because it has worse graphics. The Revolution will lose because it has worse graphics. But somehow the PS2 owns the market with the worst graphics? And the DS still owns the handheld market?

Gee.. Yeah. Looks like the Revolution is doomed to the same fate as the PS2 because they both had horrible graphics compared to the rest.
I'll make it easy on you.

The PSX beat the N64 because the games were better.

The PS2 still outsells the Gamecube because the games are better. Even when they had the same games programmers made better use of PS2 hardware than they did on the Gamecube. 2D textures? All racing and sports games have cutout spectators at the moment, on every platform. You know that so don't be a clever pussy.

For the amount of time the PSP has been out it has been outselling the DS because the games and graphics are better.

The PS3 will continue the trend because the only thing Nintendo can come out with is yet another version of Super Mario and Blook at my Blicep.
     
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Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
I'll make it easy on you.

The PSX beat the N64 because the games were better.
The PS2 still outsells the Gamecube because the games were better. Even when they had the same games programmers made better use of PS2 hardware than they did on the Gamecube. 2d textures? All racing and sports games have cutout spectators at the moment, on every platform.
For the amount of time the PSP has been out it has been outselling the DS because the games and graphics are better.
The PS3 will continue the trend because the only thing Nintendo can come out with is yet another version of Super Mario and Blook at my Blicep.
Oh... now its about games? Fancy that! Wait wait wait... what was my post a while back?

"There's no doubt that the Revolution will have better graphics than the Gamecube. But Nintendo has made it clear they would rather work on gameplay thats fun than graphics. And if you look at it, they're right. No game company has released a game in a long time (including Nintendo) that I can just absolutely love. You have all the kids these days that think Halo is a top notch game, but when you compare it to the games that came before, it's downright boring. The last game I really enjoyed was probably Ocarana of Time on N64. Wonderful storyline, unique gameplay. That's what Nintendo is going after. They bet if they can start making games the way the industry used to, by innovating, that maybe they can win back gamers. Companies these days seem to be about making a sequel with the exact same gameplay but better graphics. Thats boring.

There is also a second problem associated with the graphics climb. The more complex the graphics and the hardware, the more effort has to be spent programming a game. Programming for two processors is hard enough on the PC. Now the PS3 is going to have well beyond that many processors, just making programming for it all the more complicated. In addition, the time it will take to create graphics at high detail will take a lot of time. All the time spent on graphics will take away from time spent on gameplay, just further adding to the drudgery of boring games.

I find it very odd that game experiance wasn't anywhere on your list, because, in the end, its the most important piece of a game. All the graphics in the world with the smartest AI won't make a game experiance. Nintendo knows this."

Nice to see you agree with me.
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Originally posted by goMac:
Oh... now its about games?
It was always about the games. We've been trying to drill that into that skull of yours, the one marked 'Defective : Send back to factory in China', for a week. That's why we've been saying the PSP beats the DS. Did you listen? No. Why? Hypocrisy. ****head.
     
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I'm still waiting to hear what the Next Nintendo system could possibly offer other than a touch screen controller. And we all know what even the nintendo fanboy reaction has been to that.

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Pass.

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Originally posted by Superchicken:
You guys need girl friends...
My girl friend happens to like the Gamecube...
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Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
It was always about the games. We've been trying to drill that into that skull of yours, the one marked 'Defective : Send back to factory in China', for a week. That's why we've been saying the PSP beats the DS. Did you listen? No. Why? Hypocrisy. ****head.
So thats when I said it was about the games you shot me down? Makes absolutely perfect sense. I thought the PSP taking the game market was based on its graphics. And if games are important, wouldn't the DS have the advantage because it has the most valuable games in the portable industry as it can play Game Boy games? Isn't the DS the most adaptable handheld?

Thats also my point on why the Revolution not being the graphics king probably won't mean a thing.
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Apr 7, 2005, 09:29 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
So thats when I said it was about the games you shot me down? Makes absolutely perfect sense. I thought the PSP taking the game market was based on its graphics. And if games are important, wouldn't the DS have the advantage because it has the most valuable games in the portable industry as it can play Game Boy games? Isn't the DS the most adaptable handheld?
The PSP has better graphics and games than the DS. No argument unless you want to contest the average ratings given by reviewers. If you want to play Game Boy games go ahead. They're lame by comparison already. Within a year of PSP game releases...oh, brother.
     
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Apr 7, 2005, 09:59 PM
 
Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
The PSP has better graphics and games than the DS. No argument unless you want to contest the average ratings given by reviewers. If you want to play Game Boy games go ahead. They're lame by comparison already. Within a year of PSP game releases...oh, brother.
Didn't we just go over the point that the system with the worst graphics can easily take the market? Doesn't it seem from Sony's own Playstation that having the best graphics doesn't really sway that many people?
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Apr 7, 2005, 10:04 PM
 
Originally posted by goMac:
Didn't we just go over the point that the system with the worst graphics can easily take the market? Doesn't it seem from Sony's own Playstation that having the best graphics doesn't really sway that many people?
Yes but why is it so popular than? Because it has a strong 3rd party support.

Why is the Gube so unpopular. Because of poor 3rd party support. Nobody is saying the cube hardware can't do it, they are saying that Nintendo isn't using the hardware they have.

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Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Yes but why is it so popular than? Because it has a strong 3rd party support.

Why is the Gube so unpopular. Because of poor 3rd party support. Nobody is saying the cube hardware can't do it, they are saying that Nintendo isn't using the hardware they have.
Yeah... Gee... XBox has games like Halo and Halo 2 from 3rd parties that make it popular. Oh... wait...

The most popular games are always first party. I think the reason the Cube didn't do well is no backwards compatibility. It would have helped at launch.
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