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Oct 8, 2011, 01:06 PM
 
For a couple of days now, I often don't see any images nor sigs when loading threads in Safari.
Sometimes, a refresh of the page brings *some* images, sometimes even multiple refreshes don't do a thing.

I checked the pages with Firefox, no problems there.

What gives ?

Btw it's *not* related to the images being hosted at a specific site, like the Imageshack issue.

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Oct 8, 2011, 01:09 PM
 
This has been an issue with Safari 5.1 under both Snow Leopard and Lion for quite some time.

Occasionally mages and even entire pages refuse to load. Simply refreshing the page usually fixes it.
     
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Oct 8, 2011, 01:12 PM
 
I never had the issue in SL, and refresh doesn't fix it in Lion.

For Pete's sake, I'm surfing 'NN now with Firefox. WTF ?

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Oct 8, 2011, 01:29 PM
 
I've been getting this as well ever since Lion + its Safari. I've always assumed it was related to Safari 5.1 being half-baked, especially since I frequently get "can't load page" or similar errors, intermittently, at various websites.
     
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Oct 8, 2011, 01:47 PM
 
I dunno. I could swear it got much worse recently.

I didn't notice it when Lion came out first. Now, it's blatantly obvious.

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Nov 23, 2011, 04:16 PM
 
Just wanted to chime in and say that I'm experiencing the same issue as well. It's definitely something with Safari and Lion. Sometimes if I clear the cache and restart Safari it will display the images. Usually not though. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. Chrome never seems to have this problem.

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Nov 23, 2011, 04:46 PM
 
Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
I never had the issue in SL, and refresh doesn't fix it in Lion.

For Pete's sake, I'm surfing 'NN now with Firefox. WTF ?

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I've had the issue for a while in Safari and Chrome
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Nov 23, 2011, 08:44 PM
 
Hello admins, any fix for this ?

I haven't had an issue with other sites, so at this point, I assume it's the lame hampstor of yours.

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Nov 29, 2011, 10:01 PM
 
Safari 5.1.2 appears to fix this.
     
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Nov 30, 2011, 02:10 PM
 
I'm seeing the same behavior on Safari 5.1.2. Sometimes the images show. Something they don't.

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Nov 30, 2011, 05:58 PM
 
Yeah - with a little more time, I've noticed it too. It appeared to be working consistently at first, and I have to say, it seems images are disappearing less frequently. But still happening occasionally.
     
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Dec 1, 2011, 01:17 AM
 
5.0.4 on Snow Leopard, same behaviour.

Incidentally, I currently have forums.macnn.com blocked in my router, to try and force me to get some work done. And yet here I am. So maybe something to do with site config? DNS problem maybe? <shrug>
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Dec 1, 2011, 02:28 AM
 
The next time this happens I suggest right clicking where the image is supposed to be, opening up your Webkit inspector and looking to see if the image file was actually requested (you can determine the filename by looking at the source in the "Elements" tab). It could be that since these forums use a pretty old school table based layout, load a ton of images, and these pages are rife with W3C validation errors that your browser is just choking on the rendering of the page for some reason?

Lazy loading the images would probably fix this, not to mention make pages load much faster. I'm also wondering if web server file caching is a part of this too, but I'm kind of grasping at straws with that.
     
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^^^^^^ I tried this in both Safari 5.1.2 and Chrome. The image file appears in both. It goes directly to it in Chrome because I can actually click on the image. In Safari it went to a DIV that contained what was immediately below where the image should have been. But when I dug around above that I found the DIV the contained the URL for the image. The thing is ... Safari is just flaky about actually rendering it. I only see this behavior on forums.macnn.com. So something about Safari and this site aren't playing nicely together.

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Dec 1, 2011, 03:13 PM
 
Did you look at your JavaScript console for errors? The JavaScript engines in chrome and safari are different so maybe the Image resizer is involved?
     
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Dec 1, 2011, 05:40 PM
 
^^^ While I do work in IT I've been on the management side of things for years. Where would I find such a thing to see?

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Dec 1, 2011, 06:11 PM
 
Originally Posted by OAW View Post
^^^^^^ I tried this in both Safari 5.1.2 and Chrome. The image file appears in both. It goes directly to it in Chrome because I can actually click on the image. In Safari it went to a DIV that contained what was immediately below where the image should have been. But when I dug around above that I found the DIV the contained the URL for the image. The thing is ... Safari is just flaky about actually rendering it. I only see this behavior on forums.macnn.com. So something about Safari and this site aren't playing nicely together.

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to be clear here, what I was referring to was not just finding the image in the markup, I'd be utterly shocked if it wasn't there for some people, but digging through the "resources" tab in the Inspector to see if it actually loaded?
     
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Dec 1, 2011, 06:12 PM
 
Originally Posted by OAW View Post
^^^ While I do work in IT I've been on the management side of things for years. Where would I find such a thing to see?

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It's the "console" tab of the Webkit Inspector.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
to be clear here, what I was referring to was not just finding the image in the markup, I'd be utterly shocked if it wasn't there for some people, but digging through the "resources" tab in the Inspector to see if it actually loaded?
OIC. I was looking in the Elements tab previously. When I looked on the Resources tab I see the image when I click on it. It just doesn't load on the page.

Originally Posted by besson3c
It's the "console" tab of the Webkit Inspector.
The Console tab had no messages of any sort.

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Dec 1, 2011, 07:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by OAW View Post
The Console tab had no messages of any sort.

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Try reloading the page again with this tab open. On this page you should see:

Resource interpreted as Other but transferred with MIME type undefined.
GET http://www.easypicturehost.com/icons/index.php 500 (Internal Server Error)
GET http://forums.macnn.com/clientscript...itor.css?v=387 404 (Not Found)
(if you right click in the Console you can also enable "Log XMLHttpRequests", which is AJAX calls)
     
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Dec 1, 2011, 07:07 PM
 
I see this now ....

Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) _gb_vbulletin_editor.css
Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 500 (Internal Server Error)
4 index.php
Unable to post message to http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net. Recipient has origin http://forums.macnn.com.
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Dec 1, 2011, 07:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by OAW View Post
I see this now ....



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At the same time you're not seeing some images?
     
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Dec 1, 2011, 07:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
At the same time you're not seeing some images?
That's correct.

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Originally Posted by OAW View Post
That's correct.

OAW

Are the missing images hosted on easypicturehost, according to the markup?
     
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Dec 1, 2011, 09:31 PM
 
Could be. But the image in the thread I was testing was the following ....

http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/...tk-d2z5a1j.jpg

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Feb 5, 2012, 11:20 AM
 
Why the f*ck is this still not fixed ?

It happens ALL THE TIME with pics on my Safari 5.1.2.

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Feb 5, 2012, 12:07 PM
 
What's with the sense of entitlement? MacNN cannot fix Safari bugs.
     
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Feb 5, 2012, 02:23 PM
 
Funny. MacRumors apparently can. They seem to have the better hampstor.

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Feb 5, 2012, 02:54 PM
 
My Firefox variety still shows all images. I'm pretty sure it's a Safari bug.

Have you reported it to Apple? Perhaps someone on Macrumors did, and Apple fixed the issue for their server configuration.
     
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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Funny. MacRumors apparently can. They seem to have the better hampstor.

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Different page markup, probably different Javascript.

This problem will probably result in a lot of experimentation. Moving away from a table based layout and striving towards W3C validation might help this place, but that has been on the back burner for years and years.

W3C validation is often not always necessary, but given that this markup is table based it might throw browsers into quirks mode, cause I don't think a gazillion embedded tables has ever worked all that well.
     
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Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
Have you reported it to Apple? Perhaps someone on Macrumors did, and Apple fixed the issue for their server configuration.
Of course not. What would I say ? Images not showing on Macnn ?

I have no idea about the underlying technical details, so a submission would be useless.
MacNN admins need to submit that bug report, because they could argue why it's a Safari bug, and not a forum bug.

And seriously - this is a Mac forum, are you guys content it doesn't show correctly in Safari ?
Is your OFFICIAL recommendation to use FireFox ? Then you should post a sticky about that.

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Feb 6, 2012, 11:20 AM
 
I disagree. If you use Safari, open the inspector panel (I forget the exact name) and move down the the resources. You can see all pictures there, and copying the link for one to a new tab will open the picture. If it had been a server config issue, it should not be able to find the image URL at all - conversely, since it can find the the image resource, not rendering it is a bug.
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Feb 22, 2012, 07:32 PM
 
A little birdie told me that it appears this issue is resolved in Safari 5.2.

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Jun 5, 2012, 11:36 PM
 
Still not fixed, Safari 5.1.7.

WTF ? This is bullshit.

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Jun 5, 2012, 11:42 PM
 
Turtle: I can't remember, did you say whether or not this issue exists in Chrome?
     
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Dunno. I don't have Chrome. Let me install and check.

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