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Fred_Cokebottle · Aug 10, 2005, 09:50 PM

I mean if there are over a hunderd billion stars in our galaxy...it just makes it more likely that it was a fluke, doesnt it?

d4nth3m4n · Aug 10, 2005, 09:55 PM

so start a thread about it.

dreilly1 · Aug 10, 2005, 09:56 PM

From the Hitchhiker's Guide Wiki:

Many races believe that the Universe was created by some sort of god or in the Big Bang. The Jatravartid people, however, believe that the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure. They live in perpetual fear of the time they call The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief. Theory of the Great Green Arkleseizure is not widely accepted outside Viltvodle VI.

budster101 · Aug 10, 2005, 09:59 PM

Whatever.

rickey939 · Aug 10, 2005, 10:09 PM

Proud of you.®

Salty · Aug 10, 2005, 10:25 PM

So because there are lots of places where an incredibly infinitesimally small and unlikely event might take place, that increases the probability to a for sure thing? What if that just means that there is more land space for something impossible to not happen?
But of course... thinking this way would require you to think differently than the way you've already decided you were going to think. Sorry I thought we'd try and be rational for a second.

d4nth3m4n · Aug 10, 2005, 10:28 PM

here we go...

budster101 · Aug 10, 2005, 10:39 PM

If there is life elsewhere do you think it was an accident too?

A cosmic roll of the dice with odds in teh Billions? (Warning, overuse of the word 'teh' can lead to a serious attitude problem)

Mastrap · Aug 10, 2005, 11:03 PM

Life is everywhere.

macaddict0001 · Aug 10, 2005, 11:59 PM

thread title:
That's what your parents said.

budster101 · Aug 11, 2005, 12:07 AM

Ha-ha. Ahem. That was mean. :/

Salty · Aug 11, 2005, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by macaddict0001

thread title:
That's what your parents said.

Followed with, "That we've regretted ever since"

Cipher13 · Aug 11, 2005, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Salty

So because there are lots of places where an incredibly infinitesimally small and unlikely event might take place, that increases the probability to a for sure thing? What if that just means that there is more land space for something impossible to not happen?
But of course... thinking this way would require you to think differently than the way you've already decided you were going to think. Sorry I thought we'd try and be rational for a second.

1. He never, ever alluded to the idea that it became a "sure thing" - infact, he simply said that the likelyhood of such a fluke occurring increases with the number of places ("potential combinations of conditions") where it could occur. Which it does, naturally. Give up divination for statistics for a semester.

2. Impossible? It's quite obviously not impossible.

You seem to have no concept of statistics whatsoever. If you roll a one-million-sided die once (one planet), what're the chances of it coming up money? If you roll a billion of them, what're the chances of one of them coming up right?

Anyway, the ignorance of this debate is that we don't know that there is no life elsewhere. We don't even *know* that there isn't life on Mars.

Sorry, I thought I'd be rational for a second.

iMOTOR · Aug 11, 2005, 03:17 AM

This thread needs a theme song.

Kevin · Aug 11, 2005, 03:20 AM

I am a big fan of biogenesis.

budster101 · Aug 11, 2005, 04:08 AM

"Leave it to Beaver"....

Dick Van Dyke Show

"Uhm, supercalifragilisticexpialidoscious"

Syncopated Clock, The

Get Smart Theme

Any other suggestions? Votes?

iMOTOR · Aug 11, 2005, 04:42 AM

Nah, I was thinkin more like this

budster101 · Aug 11, 2005, 05:03 AM

How about this one?

Railroader · Aug 11, 2005, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Cipher13

2. Impossible? It's quite obviously not impossible.

You seem to have no concept of statistics whatsoever. If you roll a one-million-sided die once (one planet), what're the chances of it coming up money? If you roll a billion of them, what're the chances of one of them coming up right?

You think the odds of life evolving from bacteria as a one in a million chance? HA HA HA!!!

Oh, you guys kill me.

Has anyone here read "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson? I highly recommend it.
Amazon link.

Mastrap · Aug 11, 2005, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

You think the odds of life evolving from bacteria as a one in a million chance?

Bacteria are alive.

Salty · Aug 11, 2005, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Cipher13

1. He never, ever alluded to the idea that it became a "sure thing" - infact, he simply said that the likelyhood of such a fluke occurring increases with the number of places ("potential combinations of conditions") where it could occur. Which it does, naturally. Give up divination for statistics for a semester.

2. Impossible? It's quite obviously not impossible.

You seem to have no concept of statistics whatsoever. If you roll a one-million-sided die once (one planet), what're the chances of it coming up money? If you roll a billion of them, what're the chances of one of them coming up right?

Anyway, the ignorance of this debate is that we don't know that there is no life elsewhere. We don't even *know* that there isn't life on Mars.

Sorry, I thought I'd be rational for a second.

1) Oh... sorry I thought the word MUST in the title of the thread kind of implied an absolute thing... sorry me no speaky english so... wait... yes I do...

2) Ironically we did a bit of stats work specifically focusing on biology stuff in high school bio. And they had one method for figuring out how likely something was. Even before the billions they tend to simply say it's probably never going to happen and so you just work on that assumption.
Beyond that though, even for the rarer than me enjoying one of your posts chance that a bunch of carbons, hydrogens etc bond into a bunch of protein, and DNA, RNA, and other things required to have ONE working cell. Even if all that stuff that would be required for the simplest of cells were to happen (for the record a simple celll is still very complex). Even if all that happens, you still have a cell that is likely to die as soon as the sun comes up. And if not then, when the next big storm comes up, or the next big change in temperature.

Even if life did generate just out of the blue, odds are it would die right away.

xenu · Aug 11, 2005, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Salty

Even if life did generate just out of the blue, odds are it would die right away.

And if there were billions of the little buggers?

Cipher13 · Aug 11, 2005, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

You think the odds of life evolving from bacteria as a one in a million chance? HA HA HA!!!

Oh, you guys kill me.

Has anyone here read "A Short History of Nearly Everything" by Bill Bryson? I highly recommend it.
Amazon link.

You're an idiot.

Cipher13 · Aug 11, 2005, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Salty

1) Oh... sorry I thought the word MUST in the title of the thread kind of implied an absolute thing... sorry me no speaky english so... wait... yes I do...

2) Ironically we did a bit of stats work specifically focusing on biology stuff in high school bio. And they had one method for figuring out how likely something was. Even before the billions they tend to simply say it's probably never going to happen and so you just work on that assumption.
Beyond that though, even for the rarer than me enjoying one of your posts chance that a bunch of carbons, hydrogens etc bond into a bunch of protein, and DNA, RNA, and other things required to have ONE working cell. Even if all that stuff that would be required for the simplest of cells were to happen (for the record a simple celll is still very complex). Even if all that happens, you still have a cell that is likely to die as soon as the sun comes up. And if not then, when the next big storm comes up, or the next big change in temperature.

Even if life did generate just out of the blue, odds are it would die right away.

You're an idiot, too.

You're both complete, utter fools.

That is all I have to say on the matter. The educated in this thread have no problem with what I've said, and if they do, I'll kindly converse with them. Railroader and yourself have conveniently excluded yourself from any 'intelligent' conversation.

Mastrap · Aug 11, 2005, 07:44 AM

Most people appear to be thinking that the default state for life is 'off', i.e the existence of life is the exception. It appears to me however, with life existing in the most inhospitable locations on this planet, that the default state for life is 'on'. Meaning that given half a chance, it does exist.

Railroader · Aug 11, 2005, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Cipher13

You're an idiot.

So, you're saying that it is one in a million chance for life to be created and formed eventually into humans through evolution?

Those are better odds than the lotto!

And you call me an idiot?

Athens · Aug 11, 2005, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Fred_Cokebottle

I mean if there are over a hunderd billion stars in our galaxy...it just makes it more likely that it was a fluke, doesnt it?

Naw I think under the right conditions life forms (with out the help of the bible) so I bet there are billions of worlds out there with life. Whats prob a fluke is the conditions staying ripe long enough to form Intellegent life, like Whales. God only knows to well we are mistakes lol

GranolaBoy · Aug 11, 2005, 08:45 AM

As for evolution of man from stardust by pure chance, the data available to support this hypothesis demonstrates there is a 99.9% chance that it is wrong. It is one of the more interesting ironies of the debate that, using their own standards, scientists would conclude we probably do not exist.

SimpleLife · Aug 11, 2005, 08:49 AM

The Drake Equation is your friend.

Thats is to start a solid reflection on this topic.

Then, there is Bad Science, Worse philosophy

I believe that Foster, like most creation scientists, is lazy. He does not want to actually face the monumental complexity of the problem he has set out to solve. Indeed, everyone is actually unable to do so, for it is a task that would challenge and even elude the most brilliant biochemists. To actually calculate the odds of 'life' developing from inanimate matter, one must be acquainted not only with a vast arrangement of data and know how to estimate all the statistical relationships involved, but one must even know things that no one on Earth presently knows, or ever may know.

...and here is to "Highschool Statistics" also known to Salty as "Sunday School"...

SimpleLife · Aug 11, 2005, 08:50 AM

...And I am waiting for the Intelligent Design folks to creep out...

saddino · Aug 11, 2005, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Salty

So because there are lots of places where an incredibly infinitesimally small and unlikely event might take place, that increases the probability to a for sure thing?

Haven't you ever heard of the lottery? Individual chances are usually one 1 in many millions, but someone always eventually wins due the sheer numbers of tickets sold. So yes, incredibly small probablilities for individual events go to 1 if you measure the probablility of at least one in an ever expanding group achieving the event. The more tickets sold, the more likely someone's going to become a dysfunctional multi millionaire.

Cipher13 · Aug 11, 2005, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

So, you're saying that it is one in a million chance for life to be created and formed eventually into humans through evolution?

Those are better odds than the lotto!

And you call me an idiot?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=example

Idiot.

Shaddim · Aug 11, 2005, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Cipher13

You're an idiot.

That's uncalled for, grow up.

Doofy · Aug 11, 2005, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

...And I am waiting for the Intelligent Design folks to creep out...

Sorry, we're not here right now. Please leave a message at the tone.

turtle777 · Aug 11, 2005, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

That's uncalled for, grow up.

Seconded.

Cipher13, calling people with a different opinion from yours names makes YOU the idiot.

-t

Chuckit · Aug 11, 2005, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by GranolaBoy

As for evolution of man from stardust by pure chance, the data available to support this hypothesis demonstrates there is a 99.9% chance that it is wrong. It is one of the more interesting ironies of the debate that, using their own standards, scientists would conclude we probably do not exist.

People, if you don't understand scientific topics, nobody's putting a gun to your head and making you pull this stuff out of your ass.

budster101 · Aug 11, 2005, 11:26 AM

Beeeeeep........ (Please hang up or try again)

RAILhead · Aug 11, 2005, 11:38 AM

Is this the young, hot, Asian, female model thread?

Kevin · Aug 11, 2005, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cipher13

You're an idiot.

Originally Posted by Cipher13

You're an idiot, too.

You're both complete, utter fools.

Ah, I got my daily recommended does of pretentious condescending banter today.

Thanks.

Zenbone · Aug 11, 2005, 11:51 AM

I didn't make my coffee strong enough this morning.

saddino · Aug 11, 2005, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Is this the young, hot, Asian, female model thread?

All that, plus evolution, natch.

Kevin · Aug 11, 2005, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by saddino

All that, plus evolution, natch.

She has waaaaaay too much clothes on.

Close though.

Stradlater · Aug 11, 2005, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

I am a big fan of biogenesis.

Nice. I'm a big fan of steak, personally.

budster101 · Aug 11, 2005, 12:10 PM

Add Tobasco.

Stradlater · Aug 11, 2005, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Salty

Followed with, "That we've regretted ever since"

Yes. That was the joke.

Stradlater · Aug 11, 2005, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Zenbone

I didn't make my coffee strong enough this morning.

Time for a second cup!

Chuckit · Aug 11, 2005, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by saddino

All that, plus evolution, natch.

Ah, back before she started coming up with **** like "I am WOMEN" and "Fairyland" (yeah, fairy-land is right).

EDIT: Eh, I decided the thread was going to kill itself anyway without the evil photo.

turtle777 · Aug 11, 2005, 12:14 PM

IBL. Thread, YOU'RE GONNA DIE !

-t

GranolaBoy · Aug 11, 2005, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

People, if you don't understand scientific topics, nobody's putting a gun to your head and making you pull this stuff out of your ass.

That's right, Chuckit. Leave the conversation to those of us who do.

chris v · Aug 11, 2005, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by SimpleLife

...And I am waiting for the Intelligent Design folks to creep out...

The sheer idiocy of humanity pretty much precludes the possibility of intelligent design, as far as I'm concerned. If g*d so intelligently designed us, why are we such idiots?