[parallax]

Welcome back to the new forums!

If you're having any trouble, please email [email protected] .

We'll have to tell you the story of the Quest for the New Server some day. It's quite a tale.

[gorgonzola]

We'll have to tell you the story of the Quest for the New Server some day. It's quite a tale.

LMAO, tell me about it.

Regarding the Lounge and OS X General -- we've archived them (OS X General Archive II and Lounge Archive II), but we've moved the top 50 or so threads -- the ones that were active, basically -- to the "new" Lounge and X Gen forums. I think that will work out well.

Kudos to Cipher for help with the move.

Let us know if you get any "software error" messages -- we think we worked all of them out (they're very minor errors, takes px just a minute to fix), but we may have missed a few here or there.

Welcome!

-gzl.

[cwasko]

Originally posted by parallax:
<STRONG>Welcome back to the new forums!

If you're having any trouble, please email [email protected] .

We'll have to tell you the story of the Quest for the New Server some day. It's quite a tale. </STRONG>

Why wait for 'some day'... now is as good as any...

[parallax]

Originally posted by cwasko:
<STRONG>

Why wait for 'some day'... now is as good as any...</STRONG>

It would take us days just to outline it... Think of Don Quixote meets King Arthur

[CaseCom]

Thanks for all the work, guys! Looks pretty good so far...

OK, who wants to be the first to ask when the AI forums are coming back?

[juanvaldes]

THERE ALIVE!!!@!!!!@@!@!!@ ALIVE I TELL YOU@@@@@!!11!!!@@!@!@!@!

[Norm1985]

Ah, Mac OS X Client v10.1 and MacNN Forums with a new a server, what a fantastic combination of speed.

EDIT: I forgot to say... Kudos to Monish, the administrators, and the moderators of MacNN Forums for paying for and setting up this.

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Norm1985 ]

[Bockie]

Speed's not too shabby.
Way to go, guys!

[joshuablevins]

What are the specs of the new forum server???

[Scotttheking]

Hey, I'm writing a book on it.
No telling until I publish.
The book will be a $150/month subscription, but you can divide that among as many people as you want. It gets slower when you divide it among lots of people though.
All funds will go to pay for the new Team MacNN servers.

Check out the new Team MacNN website at http://team.macnn.com

[scaught]

its fast!

it works!

thank you all!

[escher]

Thanks guys!!!

It sounds like parallax and gorgonzola did the dirty work with some help from Cypher13. And of course, after delaying this for months, Monish is the one who bought the server and is still ultimately responsible for MacNN.

Is there anybody else to thank? I wouldn't want to forget anybody who helped make this rebirth of the MacNN forums possible.

Cheers,
Escher

[Matsu]

It is now time to fix AppleInsider. However, since AI has so long been treated as the flea infested family dog, I fear 'fix' implies slicing open the old boys scrotum, pouring a dissinfectant over the open wound and throwing his testicles into a trash compactor.


So nice to be back...

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Matsu ]

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by escher:
<STRONG>Thanks guys!!!

It sounds like parallax and gorgonzola did the dirty work with some help from Cypher13. And of course, after delaying this for months, Monish is the one who bought the server and is still ultimately responsible for MacNN.

Is there anybody else to thank? I wouldn't want to forget anybody who helped make this rebirth of the MacNN forums possible.

Cheers,
Escher</STRONG>

Yup, you're right on, we did the dirty work (as we usually do ).

Cipher helped us with the amazingly mundane and irritating job of moving around 100 threads from the archived OS X General and Lounge forums to the current ones.

You guys don't know him, but we should also thank Jorge (the hosting guy) who helped us finish up the forums LATE last night even though it was his birthday.

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: gorgonzola ]

Originally posted by joshuablevins:
<STRONG>What are the specs of the new forum server???</STRONG>

Dual 1000mhz
2GB Ram
30GB SCSI

You'll really feel the power kick-in in the next few days.

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Rampage ]

[macvillage.net]

This forum is blazing...

Remember when everyone said to switch to mySQL because "no server could handle UBB with this type of load"?

Told you.


Good job guys. Very very fast.

[Norm1985]

Originally posted by Rampage:
<STRONG>

Dual 1000mhz
2GB Ram
30GB SCSI

You'll really feel the power kick-in in the next few days.

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Rampage ]</STRONG>

Pentium III or Athlon?
DDR or SD?
RPM? Ultra160 SCSI?

[Mac Write]

I have a suggestion to improve these forums dramaticly.

Switch to vBulliten Board

vBulliten board would handle the loads these forums get way better then UBB.

So why haven't you switched to vbulliten board? I saw it up here for about an hour a few months ago.

Also, The reason they are fast now, is they have removed 95% of the threads (according to seeing only about 50 threads per board).

Can you please restore all the threads?

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Mac Write ]

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Mac Write:
<STRONG>I have a suggestion to improve these forums dramaticly.

Switch to vBulliten Board

vBulliten board would handle the loads these forums get way better then UBB.

So why haven't you switched to vbulliten board? I saw it up here for about an hour a few months ago.

Also, The reason they are fast now, is they have removed 95% of the threads (according to seeing only about 50 threads per board).

Can you please restore all the threads?

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Mac Write ]</STRONG>

Loading a tread in vBulletin makes 6 mySQL connections. Now with the type of load this site generates, in order for the server to handle that type of load, you would need this server as a front end, and then another for backend mySQL. This is MUCH more efficient. mySQL is good for high traffic sites, but only if you have the infrustructure to handle that. And unless you have thousands and thousands of posts a day, that is a wasted investement.

[sek929]

Veeeeery speedy on my cable modem.

I can feel the glory days of MacNN returning

[Scotttheking]

Originally posted by Mac Write:
<STRONG>Also, The reason they are fast now, is they have removed 95% of the threads (according to seeing only about 50 threads per board).

Can you please restore all the threads?

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Mac Write ]</STRONG>

If you didn't notice, they were archived. The forums are so much faster because there is a new super high power server.

Check out the other new thing that happened, http://team.macnn.com

--Scott

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by Mac Write:
<STRONG>Also, The reason they are fast now, is they have removed 95% of the threads (according to seeing only about 50 threads per board).

Can you please restore all the threads?</STRONG>

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
Regarding the Lounge and OS X General -- we've archived them (OS X General Archive II and Lounge Archive II), but we've moved the top 50 or so threads -- the ones that were active, basically -- to the "new" Lounge and X Gen forums. I think that will work out well.

[IceEnclosure]

Thanks fer tha hard werk fellas.. you get my vote

(Dunno what i'm voting for, but.. you get tha point)

[Demonhood]

{do the dance of joy}

[seanyepez]

Finally.

This is unnacceptable. I don't think any other site would think it appropriate to have their forums that slow and down for that long.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
<STRONG>{do the dance of joy}

</STRONG>

Perfect Strangers was one of the funniest shows of all time!!!!

Originally posted by Norm1985:
<STRONG>

Pentium III or Athlon?
DDR or SD?
RPM? Ultra160 SCSI?</STRONG>

Dual 1GHz P3
2048MB PC-133 RAM (Kingston PC 133 ECC Registered SDRAM)
36GB SCSI 10 000 RPM Hard Drive

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Rampage ]

[seanyepez]

No...

Dual 1.2-gigahertz Athlon MP's
Tyan Thunder K7T Dual CPU
Four no-name brand 256-megabyte DDR-SDRAM DIMM's
IBM DeskStar 60GXP 20-gigabyte, 7200-RPM DMA-100 hard drive

Originally posted by seanyepez:
<STRONG>No...

Dual 1.2-gigahertz Athlon MP's
Tyan Thunder K7T Dual CPU
Four no-name brand 256-megabyte DDR-SDRAM DIMM's
IBM DeskStar 60GXP 20-gigabyte, 7200-RPM DMA-100 hard drive</STRONG>

That was the original plan we drew up, but we came upon this specific server on friday.

[uochris]

Is it possible to do bulletin boards like this with Mac OS X? Isn't UBB based on perl? Is x86 hardware faster or that much less expensive? Just curious why this isn't being run on a Mac. I'm not upset about it or anything like that I'm just curious.

Originally posted by Rampage:
<STRONG>

Dual 1000mhz
2GB Ram
30GB SCSI

You'll really feel the power kick-in in the next few days.

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: Rampage ]</STRONG>

[macvillage.net]

x86 hardware is cheaper, and when running *NIX it doesn't really matter anyway. This server appears to be running linux, so it is cheaper than a Mac, and performance is better. Don't forget that Mac OS X is very bloated for a server. AQUA is much more resource filling than it appears. Even if you don't have a monitor.

Could rig up Darwin maybe, but then again, why would you really? There is a lot of Linux software (ASP solutions etc.).

Originally posted by uochris:
<STRONG>Is it possible to do bulletin boards like this with Mac OS X? Isn't UBB based on perl? Is x86 hardware faster or that much less expensive? Just curious why this isn't being run on a Mac. I'm not upset about it or anything like that I'm just curious.

</STRONG>

[cdhostage]

Very speedy. I like this ne wsetup better than the old one.

Now, when are you going to give us AppleInsider back? Can you give us the old hardware that used to run this? I'll make a new topic so everyone can see...

[chris v]

Don't wanna debate the differing qualities of server architecture, just wanna add a GLAD TO BE BACK!

I've been saving up OS X questions for a week!

Sure is fast, whatever kind of server it is. I approve

CV

[Mac Write]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
<STRONG>

Loading a tread in vBulletin makes 6 mySQL connections. Now with the type of load this site generates, in order for the server to handle that type of load, you would need this server as a front end, and then another for backend mySQL. This is MUCH more efficient. mySQL is good for high traffic sites, but only if you have the infrustructure to handle that. And unless you have thousands and thousands of posts a day, that is a wasted investement.</STRONG>

This is totaly and utterly completely 100% untrue.

�A MySQL backend is way more effient then a flat file system
�the Old server running vBulliten board could handle the load of these forums cuase of the PHP/MySQL backend
�you don't need 2 servers to run a MySQL driven forum like this. the server MacNN Forums uses now could easly handle vBulliten board with a MySQL backend. The cost to switch? $160+ 1 day MAX to convert the old board and All posts.


�

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
<STRONG>You guys don't know him, but we should also thank Jorge (the hosting guy) who helped us finish up the forums LATE last night even though it was his birthday.

[ 10-08-2001: Message edited by: gorgonzola ]</STRONG>

Happy birthday Jorge! And don't worry about missing the birthday, I celebrated for the both of us.

[Cipher13]

Lets just stick with UBB for now - we don't wanna tempt the fates any more - its working, so lets leave well enough alone

Well done guys

[OldManMac]

My thanks also to everyone involved! I'm relatively new to these forums, but I did miss them, and it's great to see them back!

[fobside]

thank you! i resorted to doing real work last week. its been tough. usually i pretend to be working and i surf macnn but i had been pretending to work, finding nothing to do, and going back to work. doh! free at last, free at last!

[- - e r i k - -]

*cough cough*

The forums are speedier than most servers, but the images are still located on the old server, which still sucks...

[daimoni]

.

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
<STRONG>*cough cough*

The forums are speedier than most servers, but the images are still located on the old server, which still sucks...</STRONG>

We know, that's just a temporary hack so we could get the forums up now. We haven't noticed any performance degradation so far, but we had to do that in order to get the forums up quickly because the current way our UBB is setup is a bit nasty, and it will take a little more time to fix that. No problems, though, it's all good.

Bear in mind that there are still a few things to iron out because we wanted to get the forums up as soon as possible -- 99% of everything will work, but just bear with us as we sort through the remaining 1%. The transition is not over completely, but the bulk of it is.

[parallax]

Originally posted by seanyepez:
<STRONG>Finally.

This is unnacceptable. I don't think any other site would think it appropriate to have their forums that slow and down for that long.</STRONG>

If only you knew how hard it was for us.
I've seen sites down for plenty longer than four days. Perhaps it seemed much longer to you.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
<STRONG>*cough cough*

The forums are speedier than most servers, but the images are still located on the old server, which still sucks...</STRONG>

Actually a good thing. That is the only thing that server appears to be doing. And that is one less thing this new server is doing.

[parallax]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
<STRONG>

Actually a good thing. That is the only thing that server appears to be doing. And that is one less thing this new server is doing.</STRONG>

Yah, I did that for two reasons. First is that the UBB we have installed right now (transplanted from the old server) is configured oddly, and second, it's a nice way to divide up responsibility (no, nuke's not going to retire that easily!)

[Matsu]

Now that we've got this silly MacNN business out of the way, whither AI?

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by parallax:
<STRONG>

Yah, I did that for two reasons. First is that the UBB we have installed right now (transplanted from the old server) is configured oddly, and second, it's a nice way to divide up responsibility (no, nuke's not going to retire that easily!)</STRONG>

You should wipe that machine, reinstall Apache, and just use it as an image server to keep the load on this server down. Right now it is blazing, and I have to believe that an image server would make it better.


BTW: What name was decided for this server?

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
<STRONG>BTW: What name was decided for this server?</STRONG>

No name yet. The dual 1.2 ghz box was going to be called nuke+ (tentatively) but there has been no decision on this one

Savior?

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
<STRONG>You should wipe that machine, reinstall Apache, and just use it as an image server to keep the load on this server down. Right now it is blazing, and I have to believe that an image server would make it better.


BTW: What name was decided for this server?</STRONG>

We are definitely going to completely clean out nuke and do something with it -- AI is a possibility (we are bringing the AI forums back in the next one-two months, but we are still deciding on where to host it). We don't really need an image server, since we already have one (www4) -- this is just a temporary fix until we move the images onto www4 or on the server itself (even while rebuilding forum stats, the server load never goes above 0.4 or so -- there is a LOT of extra CPU power there, and since the servers are on OC-12 lines with OC-3 links, there is no shortage of bandwidth either).

We've been toying with the idea of setting up an IRC chat network on one of our (now) spare machines for a few months now, and since ircd takes up such little CPU power, nuke might be ideal for that purpose. AI Forums (still not sure about news) are going *somewhere*, but we haven't figured out whether to put them on nuke or what.

Either way, nuke has to be wiped (you have never seen SUCH a nastily configged box), and we're likely going to do a UBB reinstall and reconfig once Infopop releases UBB 6.1 Final (currently in beta testing).

Anyway, those are our plans so far. I think we're going to name the new server gonzo (fitting in with kermit and that whole theme), although bender is still high on the charts.

[macvillage.net]

If you are still taking votes for the server name:

Johnny5 (he was a Mac remember?)


As for Nuke:

I like the IRC idea....

if you do it, make sure there is a java IRC client on the server (just in case you are away from your machine but want access) I have used confrence room ( http://www.webmaster.com/ ) and found it to be really good.

[HHogan]

BRING BACK AI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!