[Dakar V]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

so murderers never have political agendas?

Not nearly as often as the news outlets and PL denizens do.

[hyteckit]

Both Dr. Tiller's killer and this white-supremacist are Right-Wing Extremist that The Department of Homeland Security warned us about over 1 month ago.

[hyteckit]

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

Right-Wing Extremist
-- anti-abortion extremist
-- neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists
-- radical pro-gun, antigovernment groups

[Chuckit]

No self-respecting American conservative would align himself with something called "national socialism."

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

No self-respecting American conservative would align himself with something called "national socialism."

BIngo! Thank you. There's this fashionable notion already making the rounds that this guy was "right-wing" or "conservative".

Some facts about von Brunn;

• Christian hater
• Jew Hater
• FOX News/O'Reilly hater (hmm, sounds like a useful profile of our left here)
• Weekly Standard hater (address was found on his person and the rag's building is less than a mile away from the Museum)
• Bush hater
• Neo-con hater (probably uttered this term in its derogatory fashion less than some of our more virulent left here)
• 9-11 conspiracy theorist
• Socialist sympathizer. Stated that “SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West”
• anti-capitalist
• buddy mentions him complaining about his Social Security drying up due to some Jewish conspiracy. Says he was living hand to mouth and prattled on about his entitlements.

Yup. All the makings of a Right-Wing Conservative alright.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Both Dr. Tiller's killer and this white-supremacist are Right-Wing Extremist that The Department of Homeland Security warned us about over 1 month ago.

Wrong. He's your huckleberry my friend.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

^^so where on the political spectrum would the Tiller murderer and this nazi murderer fall into?

Tiller's murderer was anti-abortion. I don't know if he attended Church, hated taxes, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid or not. He just hated the abortion doctor. As far as the Museum killer, clearly leftist through and through. The guy's political views read like a socialist manifesto.

[hyteckit]

Both the Dr. Tiller murderer and the Holocaust Museum murderer are clearly Right-Wing Extremist.'

He's chanting the same arguments Right-Wing teabaggers are chanting at the Tea-bag rallies:

Obama is a secret Muslim who is not born in the US.

Has the same anti-immigration hate.

Dr. Tiller's murderer became an anti-abortion extremist after turning to God and started attending Church. It wouldn't matter if he attended Church or not. Anti-abortion is a right-wing agenda. Murdering someone because of it, makes him a Right-Wing Extremist.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

No self-respecting American conservative would align himself with something called "national socialism."

He's not a conservative. He's a Right-Wing Extremist.

[hyteckit]

Right-Wing Extremist
-- anti-abortion extremist
-- neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists
-- radical pro-gun, antigovernment groups

von-Brunn is a white supremacist who hates Jews and Blacks. He is very pro-gun and is very anti-government.

Yup, Right-Wing Extremist.

[ironknee]

the spin doctors are working overtime

lol now i know who listens to rush

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

von-Brunn is a white supremacist who hates Jews and Blacks.

He and Robert C. Byrd could share a beer together!

He is very pro-gun and is very anti-government.

Because it isn't leftist enough. We know.

Yup, Right-Wing Extremist.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

Because it isn't leftist enough. We know.

Leftist? What's that?

You mean ebuddy's stupid arguments because he is a Bush Hater, thus must not be Right-Wing and has to be Left-Wing? von Brunn is also a Obama hater, so what does that mean? He's not a leftist and must be a Right-Wing nutjob?


von Brunn is a Right-Wing Extremist because he fits the DHS's profile of a Right-Wing Extremist.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Best option for this thread...

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Leftist? What's that?

Stupendousman was pointing out that this guy is anti-OUR GOVERNMENT, not government in general. He is a socialist. Guess which side of the American political spectrum is generally aligned with socialism?

Though again, it's a pretty pointless connection to make unless you believe that everybody who falls under the same broad political umbrella is the same. Which is called prejudice. Which is stupid.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

BIngo! Thank you. There's this fashionable notion already making the rounds that this guy was "right-wing" or "conservative".

Some facts about von Brunn;

• Christian hater
• Jew Hater
• FOX News/O'Reilly hater (hmm, sounds like a useful profile of our left here)
• Weekly Standard hater (address was found on his person and the rag's building is less than a mile away from the Museum)
• Bush hater
• Neo-con hater (probably uttered this term in its derogatory fashion less than some of our more virulent left here)
• 9-11 conspiracy theorist
• Socialist sympathizer. Stated that “SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West”
• anti-capitalist
• buddy mentions him complaining about his Social Security drying up due to some Jewish conspiracy. Says he was living hand to mouth and prattled on about his entitlements.

Yup. All the makings of a Right-Wing Conservative alright.

hey buddy!

where'd you get those "facts"

what a cute name... buddy!

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Stupendousman was pointing out that this guy is anti-OUR GOVERNMENT, not government in general. He is a socialist. Guess which side of the American political spectrum is generally aligned with socialism?

Though again, it's a pretty pointless connection to make unless you believe that everybody who falls under the same broad political umbrella is the same. Which is called prejudice. Which is stupid.

hey chuck... before you post any more and make yourself look like a fool... here's a little help... extreme lefts are called commies... extreme rights are called fascists ... guess where the nazis fall into?

[hyteckit]

von Brunn sounds like a Right-Winger who would participate in those Tea Parties months ago.

von Brunn post on FreeRepublic

Obama is missing!

Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help - but to serve whom & why???
....

WHY DON'T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA?

Love him or hate him, we all remember how the press went to great lengths to find out every move that President Bush made ... finally unable to come up with anything factual, so they created it! When their accusations were proven empty, they refused to retract one word of the fraud they perpetrated on the American people.

Dan Rather lost his job over fraudulent documents, because common people like you & me reached out and ripped CBS to pieces. They couldn't stand the loss of sponsors OR viewers!

The same Media went to great lengths to scandalize & destroy Sarah Palin. She maintains a 91% approval rating among voters from all parties, thanks to the Internet and investigative journalists who don't work for the mainstream media.

NOW ------- The Supreme Court has scheduled a Conference for Dec 5th about Obama's

U. S. Citizenship. STILL, not a word about any of this from the Media. If it were not for the Internet and talk radio, American citizens would become the servants of a dishonest & conspiratorial Media.

THINK ABOUT IT. IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THIS WAY! How much longer are we going to sit on our hands & say not a word?

AND DON'T THINK THE MEDIA SIMPLY DOESN'T KNOW - THEY ARE GETTING POUNDED WITH EMAILS ABOUT IT!!!

Obama could not get a simple security clearance with the information the government has on him ---- NOBODY COULD!

NOW he is privy to every top secret America has!

What is going on??? WHERE ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY - ARE YOU OUT THERE???

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Stupendousman was pointing out that this guy is anti-OUR GOVERNMENT, not government in general. He is a socialist. Guess which side of the American political spectrum is generally aligned with socialism?

Though again, it's a pretty pointless connection to make unless you believe that everybody who falls under the same broad political umbrella is the same. Which is called prejudice. Which is stupid.

What? When did Stupendousman point out that this guy is anti-OUR GOVERNMENT, not government in general?

Chuckit, maybe you need to point out ebuddy stupid prejudice ridiculous arguments because he somehow "believe that everybody who falls under the same broad political umbrella is the same"

ebuddy is making the stupid prejudice arguments. Not me. Are you calling ebuddy stupid?

You see ebuddy's stupid arguments?

Hates Fox News - He also hates mainstream media, hates CBS, hates Dan Rather
Hates Pres. Bush - He also hates Pres. Obama
9-11 conspiracy theorist - He also believes Obama is not a US citizen


Guess which side is pro-guns? Eh? What's your point?


I said von Brunn fits into the DHS's profile of a Right-Wing Extremist that was release on April 2009.

[Laminar]

Does it really matter where each side feels this guy falls in the political spectrum? Does either side back his actions? Will it bring the guard back to life?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Does it really matter where each side feels this guy falls in the political spectrum? Does either side back his actions? Will it bring the guard back to life?

von Brunn fits into the DHS's profile of a Right-Wing Extremist that was release on April 2009.

The DHS warns us about it, but the Republicans were whining about how veterans can't be Right-Wing Extremist rather than making use of the information and figuring out along with the Democrats on how to reduce such extremist activities.

Reminds me of how the Bush admin ignore the CIA report on a possible Al Qaeda attack on US soil right before 9/11.

Wondering why Republicans makes us less safe. They rather play politics than try to make the US safer from foreign and domestic terrorism.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

von Brunn fits into the DHS's profile of a Right-Wing Extremist that was release on April 2009.

The DHS warns us about it, but the Republicans were whining about how veterans can't be Right-Wing Extremist rather than making use of the information and figuring out along with the Democrats on how to reduce such extremist activities.

Reminds me of how the Bush admin ignore the CIA report on a possible Al Qaeda attack on US soil right before 9/11.

Wondering why Republicans makes us less safe. They rather play politics than try to make the US safer from foreign and domestic terrorism.

You quoted my post, but it's quite obvious that you ignored it completely.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

You quoted my post, but it's quite obvious that you ignored it completely.

No, I answered your question.

Will it bring the guard back to life? No.

But we need to figure out how to stop the proliferation of Right-Wing Extemist, so this won't happen again.

We shouldn't be ignore the DHS's report on Right-Wing Extremist just because some Republicans feeling got hurt because of the word "Right-Wing" and associating it with extremist.


The government should protect us against both foreign and domestic terrorism.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

hey chuck... before you post any more and make yourself look like a fool... here's a little help... extreme lefts are called commies... extreme rights are called fascists ... guess where the nazis fall into?

You need a new nick: iron-kneejerk.



-t

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

You need a new nick: iron-kneejerk.



-t

cute

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

No, I answered your question.

Will it bring the guard back to life? No.

But we need to figure out how to stop the proliferation of Right-Wing Extemist, so this won't happen again.

We shouldn't be ignore the DHS's report on Right-Wing Extremist just because some Republicans feeling got hurt because of the word "Right-Wing" and associating it with extremist.


The government should protect us against both foreign and domestic terrorism.

What's wrong with saying "we need to figure out how to stop the proliferation of Extemist [sic]"?

Why do you need to attribute this man's actions to a political party? Are this man's actions avidly backed up by so-called "right-wingers"?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

What? When did Stupendousman point out that this guy is anti-OUR GOVERNMENT, not government in general?

When he responded to the statement "He is … anti-government" by saying "Because it isn't leftist enough."

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Chuckit, maybe you need to point out ebuddy stupid prejudice ridiculous arguments because he somehow "believe that everybody who falls under the same broad political umbrella is the same"

ebuddy is making the stupid prejudice arguments. Not me. Are you calling ebuddy stupid?

You see ebuddy's stupid arguments?

Hates Fox News - He also hates mainstream media, hates CBS, hates Dan Rather
Hates Pres. Bush - He also hates Pres. Obama
9-11 conspiracy theorist - He also believes Obama is not a US citizen

Whether or not his argument makes sense, I don't think ebuddy is trying to claim this dude is typical of liberals. But ironknee did try to paint this guy as representing conservatives. That's the prejudice I'm talking about. It's like seeing a black man and saying, "Oh, I bet he's a thug like that rapper I saw."

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

I said von Brunn fits into the DHS's profile of a Right-Wing Extremist that was release on April 2009.

If the DHS believes people advocating a Communist uprising are right-wing, I think that just illustrates that the DHS needs to take an introductory political science course.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

When he responded to the statement "He is … anti-government" by saying "Because it isn't leftist enough."

What again? You are making absolutely no sense.

When did Stupendousman point out that this guy is anti-OUR GOVERNMENT, not government in general?

How does a response like "Because it isn't leftist enough" equate to "this guy is anti-our goverment"?

Stupendousman is merely pointing out von Brunn is somehow more of a "leftist".

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

If the DHS believes people advocating a Communist uprising are right-wing, I think that just illustrates that the DHS needs to take an introductory political science course.

Strawman argument.

Who's advocating Communism? Where does the DHS believe people advocating a Communist uprising as right-wing?

[hyteckit]

Left-Wing Extremist report

http://fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

Right-Wing Extremist report

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Whether or not his argument makes sense, I don't think ebuddy is trying to claim this dude is typical of liberals. But ironknee did try to paint this guy as representing conservatives. That's the prejudice I'm talking about. It's like seeing a black man and saying, "Oh, I bet he's a thug like that rapper I saw."

Hey, wasn't the whole argument for the last few months was that even though Pres. Bush is a right-wing Republican, he is no conservative. Wasn't that ebuddy's argument?

I'm not saying von Brunn is a conservative. I did say von Brunn is a Right-Wing Extremist according to the DHS's profile.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

. But ironknee did try to paint this guy as representing conservatives. That's the prejudice I'm talking about.

i call it looking down my nose

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

If the DHS believes people advocating a Communist uprising are right-wing, I think that just illustrates that the DHS needs to take an introductory political science course.

YOU think they need a course on political science? YOU? after saying the nazis are left wing?

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

What's wrong with saying "we need to figure out how to stop the proliferation of Extemist [sic]"?

Why do you need to attribute this man's actions to a political party? Are this man's actions avidly backed up by so-called "right-wingers"?

so why is rush/fox trying to spin this guy into a liberal?

oh and not with a nod but with a wink.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

YOU think they need a course on political science? YOU? after saying the nazis are left wing?

Yes. On account of I was poking fun at the whole topic and the DHS usually is usually pretty serious.

[hyteckit]

By the way, von Brunn hates liberals/marxist/Jew. He blames liberals/marxist/Jews for advocating race equality and eliminating diversity through racial miscegenation.

Here's his book:

http://web.archive.org/web/200707100...rog_first6.pdf

Paradoxically, the LIBERAL establishment is engaged in a counterculture campaign designed to eliminate diversity through racial miscegenation.
.....

Approval of inter-racial breeding is predicated on idiotic
Christian dogma that God’s children must love their enemies
(a concept JEWS totally reject); and on LIBERAL/MARXIST/JEW propaganda that all men/races are created equal.
These genocidal ideologies, preached from the American
pulpits, taught in American schools, legislated in the halls of
Congress (confirming TALMUDIC conviction that goyim
are stupid sheep), are expected to produce a single, super-
intelligent, beautiful, non-White “American” population.
Eliminating forever racism, inequality, bigotry and war. As
with ALL LIBERAL ideologies, miscegenation is totally
inconsistent with Natural Law: the species are improved
through in-breeding, natural selection and mutation. Only
the strong survive.

[hyteckit]

von Brunn wants to eliminate all liberals/marxist/Jews once the Aryan races talks over.

http://web.archive.org/web/200707100...rog_first6.pdf

von Brunn hates:

Jews
Karl Marx
Marxist
Liberals


von Brunn hates Karl Marx because:

1. Marx is a Jew
2. Marx "compulsion was to destroy the Aryan society that had rejected him."
3. Marx "promises, which eventually will give way to a stateless, classless, godless society wherein everyone is equal (no Christians allowed, however’ and “anti-Semitism” (HATE) is a crime!"

Other quotes from the book:

"As a propagandist — a seducer of innocents, sophists, Liberals and born losers — MARX was superb."
"No intelligent person took MARX seriously. His Old Testament idea that work is evil — and New Testament idea that men and races are equally endowed —opposes Nature and the very Soul of the West."


von Brunn hates Sigmund Freud because:

1. Freud is a Jew
2. Freud like Marx "attempted to lump all men together as equals, stripped of any noble or spiritual, significance."
3. The two JEWS (Marx and Freud) "simply used different methods to accomplish a singular purpose, the ILLUMINATI purpose: Destruction of the West."

Other quotes from the book:

"But the Freudian “cure” began with the premise that everyone is neurotic: either perverted or inverted. Ergo, Aryans are sick, too! Just like us JEWS."
"The madness continues as Freud focuses on the Western Soul. He finds it strictly mechanical and totally predictable: Spiritual impulses are simply sexual impulses. Therefore, in Freud’s TALMUDIC brain all men are EQUAL because they are all sexually neurotic. And he decides what is neurotic! "


von Brunn hates Liberals because:

1. Liberals believe that "ALL men share EQUAL potential: racial differences result, largely, from environmental factors rather than from heredity."

Other quotes:

"This irrefutable fact strikes at the heart of MARXISM/LIBERALISM/JEWRY and their effort to miscegenate the Races and create One World ILLUMINATI Government."

[Snow-i]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

von Brunn sounds like a Right-Winger who would participate in those Tea Parties months ago.

von Brunn post on FreeRepublic

You, sir, are the the same type of hate mongering radical that spawns nutjobs such as these. This guy lived in my home town for the past few years and I dare you to find anyone who went to the tea parties in this area that would find anything in common with that monster.

In fact, I find it interestingly peculiar that the two of you are so very similar in your treatment of differing viewpoints.

-blind hatred for ideologies other than yours
-interolerance for those who do not follow your ideology
-wildly ignorant and offensive statements towards afore-mentioned individuals
-inability to listen to, much less reason with those around you who may say things you disagree with.

Anyone else notice a similarity?

Hatred breeds only more hatred, so don't think that because you enjoy the smell of your own farts, they aren't stinky to everyone else.

[hyteckit]

von Brunn also hates:

Franz Boas
Ted Kennedy
Welfare
Communist

von Brunn hates Franz Boas because:


1. Boas is a Jew
2. Boas "professes that ALL men share EQUAL potential: racial differences result, largely, from environmental factors rather than from heredity. This ideology, or pseudo-science, is enthusiastically endorsed by LIBERALS/ MARXISTS/JEWS"
3. Boas "seeks a Communist equality — not equality of opportunity or equality-of-merit but of results — which requires transferring money from achievers, who earned it, to the incapable, indigent and disadvantaged."

Other quotes:

"How else can degenerates like U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy remain in office? In the U.S., today, 60% of the National Budget goes toward Welfare. "

"All of these MARXISTS/LIBERALS/JEWS, spreading JEW syphilis, established chairs of KILL THE BEST GENTILES Cultural Anthropology at America’s most prestigious universities."

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Snow-i 

You, sir, are the the same type of hate mongering radical that spawns nutjobs such as these. This guy lived in my home town for the past few years and I dare you to find anyone who went to the tea parties in this area that would find anything in common with that monster.

Did you not watch the Tea Party videos?

Did you read what I wrote?

I said what von Brunn posted on FreeRepublic about Obama not being a US citizen sounds just like what the Right-Wingers are saying at the Tea Party, who deny Obama is a US citizen. Does it not?


YouTube - Tea Party protestors believe Obama not US-born


You don't think they are saying the same thing about Obama not being a US citizen or the lack of proof that he is a citizen?

I guess you have the

-inability to listen to, much less reason with those around you who may say things you disagree with.


Next time, do some comprehensive reading because you start accusing others of something because of your intolerance and the blind hatred for ideologies other than yours.

[ebuddy]

von Brunn;

WESTERN SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West, and the end of JEWRY on Western soil.

Capitalists found no fault with economically defeating, within the law, opposing economic groups. That was considered “healthy competition.” European States, goaded by Bankers, also competed with one another. Often with disastrous results. During WWI it became painfully clear that the IDEA of “rugged individualism” worked against the ARYAN NATION and its individual States.

... the guy who attacked the Federal Reserve’s Washington headquarters in 1981 when Ronald Reagan was President. The guy who shares the same sentiment as prominent Democrat- Philip J. Berg who filed suit against Barack Obama claiming that Obama is not a natural-born citizen and, therefore, is not eligible to be president of the United States. The guy who essentially mimics the vile hatred of the likes of Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, etc.. against Jews.

That's correct... the left-wing radical extremist. He's nationalist alright. German nationalist, socialist, and pinko-commie lib who happens to share the same rhetoric as the most noteworthy of leftists, particular those hostile to Israel and Jews. There you have it.

[hyteckit]

von Brunn is a socialist, pinko-commie, liberal who hates:

1. Socialist
2. Communist
3. Liberals
4. Marxist
5. Capitalism
6. Welfare

Good one ebuddy. Does that mean you are a socialist, pinko-commie, liberal?

By the way, what's von Brunn's "Western Socialism"? According to von Brunn:

"WESTERN SOCIALISM, unlike Marxism/Communism and Capitalism, emanates not from Reason alone but from the ETHOS OF THE WEST. It expresses the instinctive and Intuitive feelings UNIQUE to the Aryan Nation. Its Idea is the Musketeers' cry: “One for All and All for One!” The ingathering of the White Nation-States into ONE CULTURAL ORGANISM — its own territory and its own State in which to house, protect, and nurture the Nation — precludes Marxist inspired class warfare and hate-struggles between its component parts."

von Brunn wants to create a White Christian nation, a Holy Western Empire.

His website: holywesternempire.org

http://web.archive.org/web/200710101...org/page2.html

REAR ADMIRAL John G. Crommelin, USN, said this about James von Brunn:
"It is my conviction that James von Brunn deserves the gratitude and assistance of every White Christian citizen of these United States."

[hyteckit]

Here's my summary of von Brunn's thoughts after skimming his article. He basically categorizes MARXISTS/LIBERALS/JEWS as the same.

He hates:

1. Socialist
2. Communist
3. Liberals
4. Marxist
5. Capitalism
6. Welfare
7. The Church, the Mass Media, the Universities, and the Government for preaching racial equality
and obvious
8. Jews


von Brunn dislikes capitalism because 'during WWI it became painfully clear that the IDEA of “rugged individualism” worked against the ARYAN NATION and its individual States.' Jew are too good being bankers and basically took control over a capitalistic society. He claims "JEWRY'S primary weapon was money manipulation and USURY."

von Brunn believes a capitalist society allowed the Jews to control everything ranging from the Mass Media, to the Universities, and to the US government. Because of MARXISTS/LIBERALS/JEWS "effort to miscegenate the Races and create One World ILLUMINATI Government", von Brunn feel the need to create what he called a "Western Socialism".

von Brunn coin the phrase "Western Socialism" to mean a White Christian nation, a Holy Western Empire, where the "White Nation" work together like "ONE CULTURAL ORGANISM" to "expresses the instinctive and Intuitive feelings UNIQUE to the Aryan Nation" and to "house, protect, and nurture the Nation."

[Doofy]

Again, people. Fascism is left wing. Hitler was left wing.

If you think otherwise then you need to go read the 25-point plan and compare it with the manifestos of left-of-centre parties. The only reason why some of you folks don't understand which side of the fence fascism is on is because you've been told it's "right wing" by a bunch of lefties (your history professor, the media, etc.) who're trying to distance the nasties from their own political position.

No self-respecting right-winger would hate on anyone who's a potential customer, regardless of colour.

That is all.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Again, people. Fascism is left wing. Hitler was left wing.

I'm having a hard time with both you and ebuddy claiming fascism is "left wing."

Fascism is anti-liberal and anti-conservative is it not? It's focused on the modern decline of society, victimization by "outsiders", and a call for unity/purity by militant nationalist.

(Have I uncomfortably described certain people on this board yet? )

In other news, that FreeRepublic post:

Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help - but to serve whom & why???
....

WHY DON'T WE SEE ONE WORD OF THIS IN ANY OF THE MEDIA?

Love him or hate him, we all remember how the press went to great lengths to find out every move that President Bush made ... finally unable to come up with anything factual, so they created it! When their accusations were proven empty, they refused to retract one word of the fraud they perpetrated on the American people.

Dan Rather lost his job over fraudulent documents, because common people like you & me reached out and ripped CBS to pieces. They couldn't stand the loss of sponsors OR viewers!

The same Media went to great lengths to scandalize & destroy Sarah Palin. She maintains a 91% approval rating among voters from all parties, thanks to the Internet and investigative journalists who don't work for the mainstream media.

NOW ------- The Supreme Court has scheduled a Conference for Dec 5th about Obama's

U. S. Citizenship. STILL, not a word about any of this from the Media. If it were not for the Internet and talk radio, American citizens would become the servants of a dishonest & conspiratorial Media.

THINK ABOUT IT. IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THIS WAY! How much longer are we going to sit on our hands & say not a word?

AND DON'T THINK THE MEDIA SIMPLY DOESN'T KNOW - THEY ARE GETTING POUNDED WITH EMAILS ABOUT IT!!!

Obama could not get a simple security clearance with the information the government has on him ---- NOBODY COULD!

NOW he is privy to every top secret America has!

What is going on??? WHERE ARE THE GOOD PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY - ARE YOU OUT THERE???

Does this, or does this not, eerily resemble some posts we've seen in this forum over the last year?

Scary.

greg

[badidea]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Again, people. Fascism is left wing. Hitler was left wing.

If you think otherwise then you need to go read the 25-point plan and compare it with the manifestos of left-of-centre parties. The only reason why some of you folks don't understand which side of the fence fascism is on is because you've been told it's "right wing" by a bunch of lefties (your history professor, the media, etc.) who're trying to distance the nasties from their own political position.

No self-respecting right-winger would hate on anyone who's a potential customer, regardless of colour.

That is all.

^translation:

The sane world is 99.9% left lefty lefties!

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Lefties simply don't know what fascism is. It does have extreme leftist elements to it in the economic sense, the desire for large government and government control over industry, and in being anti-capitalist and anti-individual. The problem is, many leftists have falsely assigned themselves the role of the only political side that's against racism, so they take the racist nature of fascism, assign themselves as the opposition by default, and then try and label everything else as 'right-wing'.

As usual, nothing is really quite that simple. Yes, libs, Nazis and Fascists did share a lot of your same beliefs when it came to matters economic and governmental. The difference is, that's not to say that just because these things had left-wing elements, that leftwingers are either Nazis or Fascists. That'd be doing what you lefties do- take things completely out of context and then try and apply them totally falsely to your political opposites.

It's so childish to quote some murderer, and say it sounds like people on this forum. I'm not aware of anyone on this forum that advocates murdering anyone.

Recently when a Muslim convert shot two soldiers- did people here start quoting his beliefs and say "Gee, his rants against the Iraq war, US military, Israel, Zionists, etc. sound just like members of this forum?"

How about the four Muslim converts that tried to blow up synagogues in Brooklyn and shoot down airliners recently? Anyone quote from them, and say "Gee, they sure have a lot of beliefs that sound like our local lefties!"?

It's pretty ironic, because for whatever reason when it comes to spewing hate against Jews and trying to blow up/shoot up synagogues, it's downright stupid to try and claim it's strictly a right-wing or left-wing thing- ALL sides of the political fringe attack Jews relentlessly. Hell, just the other day, Obama's pastor said publically it was "them Jews" keeping him from seeing his old bud. Anyone make that into a big lefty conspiracy?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

Lefties simply don't know what fascism is. It does have extreme leftist elements to it in the economic sense, the desire for large government and government control over industry, and in being anti-capitalist and anti-individual. The problem is, many leftists have falsely assigned themselves the role of the only political side that's against racism, so they take the racist nature of fascism, assign themselves as the opposition by default, and then try and label everything else as 'right-wing'.

As usual, nothing is really quite that simple. Yes, libs, Nazis and Fascists did share a lot of your same beliefs when it came to matters economic and governmental. The difference is, that's not to say that just because these things had left-wing elements, that leftwingers are either Nazis or Fascists. That'd be doing what you lefties do- take things completely out of context and then try and apply them totally falsely to your political opposites.

Good stuff, Crash.

-t

[stumblinmike]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Good stuff, Crash.

-t

Oh, get a room you two!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

I'm having a hard time with both you and ebuddy claiming fascism is "left wing."

Adolf Hitler's First Letter about Jewry

Originally Posted by Adolf

And since even the Jew's feelings are limited to the purely material realm, his thoughts and ambitions are bound to be so even more strongly. Their dance around the golden calf becomes a ruthless struggle for all the possessions that we feel deep down are not the highest and not the only ones worth striving for on this earth.

The value of an individual is no longer determined by his character or by the significance of his achievements for the community, but solely by the size of his fortune, his wealth.

The greatness of a nation is no longer measured by the sum of its moral and spiritual resources, but only by the wealth of its material possessions.

All this results in that mental attitude and that quest for money and the power to protect it which allow the Jew to become so unscrupulous in his choice of means, so merciless in their use of his own ends. In autocratic states he cringes before the 'majesty' of the princes and misuses their favors to become a leech on their people.

In democracies he vies for the favor of the masses, cringes before 'the majesty of the people', but only recognizes the majesty of money.

He saps the prince's character with Byzantine flattery; national pride and the strength of the nation with ridicule and shameless seduction to vice. His method of battle is that public opinion which is never expressed in the press but which is nonetheless manages and falsified by it. His power is the power of the money, which multiplies in his hands effortlessly and endlessly through interest, and with which he imposes a yoke upon the nation that is the more pernicious in that its glitter disguises its ultimately tragic consequences. Everything that makes the people strive for higher goals, be it religion, socialism, or democracy, is to the Jew merely a means to an end, the way to satisfy his greed and thirst for power.

Programme of the NSDAP, 24 February 1920

Originally Posted by Adolf

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens.
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9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.
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10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
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We demand therefore:
11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
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13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
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14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
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15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
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17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
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18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
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21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

Not exactly right-wing capitalist pig conservatism, is it?

Originally Posted by Benito

Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato

Oh yeah. I know zillions of right-wingers who just love the idea of an all-encompassing state.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Why do you need to attribute this man's actions to a political party??

Because he's part of the problem, not part of the solution. He wishes to demonize those who disagree with him in ways that marginalize them so he can feel better about himself. This is exactly the problem the killer in question had. It doesn't matter which side of the argument he was actually on.