[finboy]

To all the folks who were wondering when we'd KNOW that it was the Diversion-of-the-Week, it's now official: Jimmy Carter picked up his mail, and he has now received the message from the mothership.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Carter Claims There Is "Racist" Tone Against Obama

So many of us who didn't know we were racist can now scan Salon.com and find out instantly. Disagree with socialistic health care reform, and you're a racist. Disagree with financial system reform, and you're a racist. Argue that we're not dealing with Iran properly, and you're a racist.

We knew it was coming, but we just didn't know exactly when.

Now, though, it's official! Thanks Jimmy.

[Shaddim]

I thought that Garofalo idiot proved this months ago?

[stupendousman]

He probably said this as he was kicking a jew down a well.

[OAW]

As expected, our good friends on the right have stretched President Carter's words way beyond what he actually said. He never said any criticism of Obama equates to racism. He said that a lot of the opposition to Obama is rooted in it.

Originally Posted by President Carter

"I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he's African-American," Carter told NBC News. "I live in the South, and I've seen the South come a long way, and I've seen the rest of the country that shares the South's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African-Americans."

"That racism inclination still exists, and I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of belief among many white people -- not just in the South but around the country -- that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance, and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply," Carter said.

Add to that the blatant racism being displayed at these "tea parties" and the thinly veiled racism of its leaders ....

"Tea Party" leader Mark Williams appeared on a CNN panel on "Anderson Cooper 360" last night and promptly set to work discrediting himself and his movement. Williams denounced those carrying blatantly racist signs against President Obama during the tea parties as "no more part of the mainstream of America than the hippies who wear nipple clips and feather boas in San Francisco streets during so-called peace demonstrations."

Cooper had done his homework, however, and caught Williams blatantly misrepresenting himself: "What you're saying makes sense to me here when I'm hearing what you say but then I read on your blog, you say, you call the President an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief."

Williams shrugs and responds, "Yeah, that's the way he's behaving." An incredulous Cooper asks Williams if he really believes Obama is an Indonesian Muslim and a welfare thug. The tea party leader digs the hole a little deeper: "He's certainly acting like it. Until he embraces the whole country what else can I conclude."

"Tea Party" Leader Melts Down On CNN: Obama Is An "Indonesian Muslim Turned Welfare Thug"

And then of course we have the "birther movement" and all that foolishness.

Add to that the fact that the number of death threats against Obama is 400 percent higher than any other President. Beyond anything the Secret Service has ever seen.

Is all the opposition to Obama coming from the right rooted in racism? No ... but a good portion of it is.

Is fanning the flames of white racial resentment a long-standing strategy of conservative leadership (political, talk show hosts, etc.)? Indeed.

Are there those on the right who will deny the truth of the above two statements no matter what? Absolutely.

OAW

[pooka]

Sorry. Don't really buy. Not saying it's not true to some extent, of course, just don't get that vibe. ****, I'm in CONSERVATIVE, REDNECK hell. Have been for years. There's plenty of racist pricks around here, but I don't see it as the primary drive for people's disdain. Seriously, even in the most extreme tirades, the "Oh yeah, and he's BLACK" is at the very end. Icing on the hate-cake. Hell, most of these retards hate Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton and Carter 10x more than Obama. I mean, give it time and I'm sure he will be their primary source of rage and frustration. But even Obama will have to EARN that level of derision just like every other person they vehemently disagree with.

Seriously, I truly wish people would stop trying to call people out on implied or overt racism. My respect for Obama and his supporters would shoot through the roof if they would simply respond to race-related taunts with "God... you're a fscking idiot"

Rule number 1: Don't engage stupid. Ridicule it. Mock it. Make it feel great shame and commit suicide.

[BadKosh]

As a racist Southern old fart, Carter has no credibility. He was the WORST president we've ever suffered though until 0bama.

[pooka]

Hmm. Now that I think about it, maybe rednecks hate Carter, Kennedy & Clinton so much for their perceived love of black people. It's possible.

San Dimas High School Football Rules!@

[OAW]

The sad part is that those who have legitimate policy disagreements with the Obama Administration (e.g. over things like Stimulus program, Bank bailouts, Auto bailouts, the role of government, etc.) are being tainted by the extreme right-wing nutjobs out there. It has to be quite the conundrum for the Republican Party. On the one hand, the Republican leadership would like nothing more than to distance itself from this element within the party. But OTOH, that element comprises a not so insignificant portion of the party's base. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

OAW

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by finboy 

So many of us who didn't know we were racist can now scan Salon.com and find out instantly. Disagree with socialistic health care reform, and you're a racist. Disagree with financial system reform, and you're a racist. Argue that we're not dealing with Iran properly, and you're a racist.

Do we really have to go through this? Do you have any recognition of nuance at all? If you are not a racist then Carter was not referring to you. At the same time, we recently had that large "tea party" protest here in DC and from my own firsthand impression it was patently obvious that while the majority of people there were very nice and not racist at all, there were some with racially-charged messages.

What I want to know is, why do you have such a strong self-identification with everyone who is critical of Obama that you feel personally slighted if someone observes that there are still some racists in the United States?

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by OAW 

As expected, our good friends on the right have stretched President Carter's words way beyond what he actually said. He never said any criticism of Obama equates to racism. He said that a lot of the opposition to Obama is rooted in it.

...and gives no specific examples to prove his case or even which criticism he's referring to. This is known as "playing the race card" and it's intellectually dishonest. There's no way to prove it, or prove against it. It's simply a blanket accusation without any real substance to back it up except for us to just trust someone's gut feeling.

This sort of thing does nothing but stoke more racial animosity. Frankly, it's sickening.

Originally Posted by OAW 

The sad part is that those who have legitimate policy disagreements with the Obama Administration (e.g. over things like Stimulus program, Bank bailouts, Auto bailouts, the role of government, etc.) are being tainted by the extreme right-wing nutjobs out there.

No more than those who want an ease to racial tensions are being tainted by the extreme left-wing kooks who have gone on record the past few days trying to claim that Joe Wilson's disgust at Obama's lack of honesty in regards to the health care plan was simply based on racism. It cuts both ways.

It had to be quite the conundrum for the Democrat party. On the one hand, the Democrat leadership claims to want all men to be treated equally, but every time they see a chance to go into "chicken little" mode and cry "racism" when there's no real evidence it's in play, they reveal the true radical and loony-tunes nature of their political belief system.

I don't make excuses for Conservatives who express racism. It seems as though that the left on the other hand gives it's best and broadest support to some of the crazies who promote some of the most divisive expressions out there.

[BadKosh]

The left uses the race card to tell the rest to SHUT UP. It's just another way of saying SHUT UP. This is the only argument they have. It's not about facts but how the right is perceived by the left. No matter what the fact is the right is still called racist.

Pretty pathetic that so early in 0bamas term he is crashing and burning.

[Captain Obvious]

YouTube - Jimmy Carter: Wilson Comments 'Based on Racism'
“some Americans feel that an African-American "ought not be president and ought not be given the same respect as if he were white....... And the outbursts that we see, the scatological language, the sign that I saw on television last night, “We should bury Obama with Kennedy,” for instance, and “Obama is a Nazi,” and Obama’s picture with Hitler’s moustache on it—those kinds of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate over whether we should have a national program in health care. It’s deeper than that.”


http://www.alaskareport.com/images3/bush_protest.jpg
http://polizeros.com/wp-content/uplo...kill-bush1.JPG
http://www.classicalvalues.com/BushSS.jpg

racist boogeymen everywhere!

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by OAW 

The sad part is that those who have legitimate policy disagreements with the Obama Administration (e.g. over things like Stimulus program, Bank bailouts, Auto bailouts, the role of government, etc.) are being tainted by the extreme right-wing nutjobs out there. It has to be quite the conundrum for the Republican Party. On the one hand, the Republican leadership would like nothing more than to distance itself from this element within the party. But OTOH, that element comprises a not so insignificant portion of the party's base. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

OAW

Indeed, and they have very little to comment about being tainted by the extreme right in the thread I created about this very concept (http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...bama-wants-do/). Many assumptions could be formed based on this.

[BadKosh]

The extreme left is trying to act mainstream and is failing miserably. Your leftwing press chose to look the other way on the corruption involving ACORN. As they play spin while catching up is seems funny to hear a combination of numerous news readers all using the exact phraseology to call others racist, and then the radical lefties claiming to know the thoughts and emotions of others. I still haven't seen anyone proving 0bama WASN'T LYING. Now that the dems have slapped Wilson on the wrist, it's back to square one. Tax n Spend. It doesn't matter. The Dems have no idea how they come across with their snotty condescending attitudes and lack of facts when asked by the citizens. The Race Card trick is just the latest, lame trick which looks like it's backfiring.

[besson3c]

ACORN, leftist media, tax and spend, snotty condescending attitudes, ignorance of facts, race baiters, and Obama with a zero in his name all in one post - well done!

Now, if I were an ACORN operative this would be the perfect rouse! Just sayin'...

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

It's not about facts but how the right is perceived by the left.

Goes both ways.

[BadKosh]

The REAL A-CORN guy trying to cast suspicions on the innocent. Old trick. Well Known. Obvious. But you're wrong.

[besson3c]

Wow, you seem all too familiar with the tricks of ACORN! Hmmmm... 0bama's spies are everywhere, you can just never know for sure. All I'm saying is that if I were in ACORN, I would probably know their well known tricks pretty well.

Just sayin'

[finboy]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Indeed, and they have very little to comment about being tainted by the extreme right in the thread I created about this very concept (http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...bama-wants-do/). Many assumptions could be formed based on this.

The only conclusion you should draw is that I happened to see both threads at about the same time, and posted in both. Otherwise, there isn't some big move by the extreme right, it's just race-baiting rearing its head again on the Left. Which always happens when one side (guess which?) starts losing with playing on all of the other emotions (fear being used last, usually, and being the most volatile and unpredictable). This time, though, it's just on a larger scale.

[besson3c]

Or, other possible conclusions:

- That several of you guys don't really feel compelled to separate yourself from the fringe elements of your party, perhaps because you do not feel strongly about them tainting your own positions because they are not far removed from your own

- That some of you guys haven't considered the effects of having your own positions being associated with these elements

- That some of you guys feel that an "all out assault, nothing is out of play" sort of approach somehow advances your cause

- That some of you guys feel that you shouldn't have to separate yourself from these people out of principle


The problem with the latter, and I mean this quite literally, aside from one or two or three people in here, I honestly don't know whether to separate them from the fringe element.

[ironknee]

racism? nawww

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

As a racist Southern old fart, Carter has no credibility. He was the WORST president we've ever suffered though until 0bama.

Okay, so:

- bank and auto bailouts
- Stimulus bill
- proposed health care reform

is worse than:

- no health care reform
- failed social security reform
- failure to oversee markets leading to their collapse
- leading us into Iraq with no viable exit strategy
- incomplete grade on Afghanistan war
- international torture fiasco
- warrantless wiretapping
- an educational bill that most educators seem to feel is ineffective

??

[ironknee]

^^ you forgot TARP (700 billion) on your second list

[hyteckit]

1st black president = President Obama is racist

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by OAW 

"Tea Party" Leader Melts Down On CNN: Obama Is An "Indonesian Muslim Turned Welfare Thug"

OAW

But Pres. Obama does act like an Indonesian Muslim Welfare Thug.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by finboy 

To all the folks who were wondering when we'd KNOW that it was the Diversion-of-the-Week, it's now official: Jimmy Carter picked up his mail, and he has now received the message from the mothership.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Carter Claims There Is "Racist" Tone Against Obama

So many of us who didn't know we were racist can now scan Salon.com and find out instantly. Disagree with socialistic health care reform, and you're a racist. Disagree with financial system reform, and you're a racist. Argue that we're not dealing with Iran properly, and you're a racist.

We knew it was coming, but we just didn't know exactly when.

Now, though, it's official! Thanks Jimmy.

finboy, you LIE!

Jimmy Carter is right.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Or, other possible conclusions:

- That several of you guys don't really feel compelled to separate yourself from the fringe elements of your party, perhaps because you do not feel strongly about them tainting your own positions because they are not far removed from your own

- That some of you guys haven't considered the effects of having your own positions being associated with these elements

The problem with your analysis is that for the most part, mainstream Republicans don't want anything to do with the true "fringe" elements of the party. They aren't promoting "birthers" to high spots in government. They aren't having dinner parties with former abortion clinic bombers. They aren't accusing all Democrats of being murderers who really want to just kill babies because they may support abortion rights.

These types of irrational behaviors are things that the Democrats actually embrace. When the left-wing fringe who are PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT start making really loony accusations of racism where no true evidence of racism exist, make excuses for domestic terrorists and laud them with accolades, hire a communist 9/11 "truther" for a high ranking position who thinks being white is a reason why things like "Columbine" happen - you truely have a laughable situation where someone has to tell you to get the "log" out of your own eye before worrying about the other guy's splinter.

[Chongo]

Is this racist? Chia Obama - Special Edition Chia from the maker of Chia Pets

[SpaceMonkey]

^ I think you mean, is this awesome? And the answer is yes.

[Monique]

Of course this is what I thought all along. Racism is not a white thing it can come from any color skin out there.

When you do not have a lot to say, you use the race card all the time.

Every time he speaks Obama says, I am black and the rest of his sentence.

[BadKosh]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Okay, so:

- bank and auto bailouts
- Stimulus bill
- proposed health care reform

is worse than:

- no health care reform
- failed social security reform
- failure to oversee markets leading to their collapse
- leading us into Iraq with no viable exit strategy
- incomplete grade on Afghanistan war
- international torture fiasco
- warrantless wiretapping
- an educational bill that most educators seem to feel is ineffective

??

The DEMS were in charge of the markets while they collapsed. Same with the mortgage industry. What WAS Barney Frank doing? Chris Dodd?

Warrantless witretapping? How about the 'information gathering' the White House is doing with it's 'enemies' ?

Oh, and hows that 'stimulus bill' working out for you? Seen any improvements?

Health care was never an issue except to the non-productive members of society. The left is all about Tax n Spend, and is continues even now. None of their programs have ever worked as promised. 50 years is long enough.

[ort888]

The DEMS were in charge of the markets while they collapsed. Same with the mortgage industry. What WAS Barney Frank doing? Chris Dodd?
Uh, ha? Is this serious?

Warrantless witretapping? How about the 'information gathering' the White House is doing with it's 'enemies' ?
Asking for emails is now worse then warrentless wiretapping???

Oh, and hows that 'stimulus bill' working out for you? Seen any improvements?
The stock market says hi.

Health care was never an issue except to the non-productive members of society.
Um, screw you? Wow.

[OAW]

Originally Posted by Monique 

When you do not have a lot to say, you use the race card all the time.

Every time he speaks Obama says, I am black and the rest of his sentence.

Uhhhhh .... yeah. Ok.



OAW

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Okay, so:

- bank and auto bailouts
- Stimulus bill
- proposed health care reform

is worse than:

- no health care reform
- failed social security reform
- failure to oversee markets leading to their collapse
- leading us into Iraq with no viable exit strategy
- incomplete grade on Afghanistan war
- international torture fiasco
- warrantless wiretapping
- an educational bill that most educators seem to feel is ineffective

??

Obama hasn't been President for 8 years. I'm sure he'll make a few more stupid mistakes.

[OAW]

Personally I don't think President Carter should have characterized Rep. Wilson's outburst as racist. Saying "You lie!" isn't an explicitly racist comment ... and to go there essentially means that he's impugning the man's motivations as opposed to his statement. Which is a perilous approach at best.

Having said that, I find it interesting that when President Carter went there our good friends on the right are up in arms about it. But when their media darling Glenn Beck did the exact same thing ....

Originally Posted by Glenn Beck

"This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture," Beck said. "I don't know what it is."

Following up on Beck's ridiculous claim, Fox's Brian Kilmeade pointed out that Obama is surrounded by white advisers like David Axelrod, Robert Gibbs and Rahm Emanuel.

"I'm not saying he doesn't like white people," Beck said. "I'm saying he has a problem. He has a -- this guy is, I believe, a racist."

.... nary a peep out of them. Now why is that?

OAW

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

The problem with your analysis is that for the most part, mainstream Republicans don't want anything to do with the true "fringe" elements of the party. They aren't promoting "birthers" to high spots in government. They aren't having dinner parties with former abortion clinic bombers. They aren't accusing all Democrats of being murderers who really want to just kill babies because they may support abortion rights.

These types of irrational behaviors are things that the Democrats actually embrace. When the left-wing fringe who are PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT start making really loony accusations of racism where no true evidence of racism exist, make excuses for domestic terrorists and laud them with accolades, hire a communist 9/11 "truther" for a high ranking position who thinks being white is a reason why things like "Columbine" happen - you truely have a laughable situation where someone has to tell you to get the "log" out of your own eye before worrying about the other guy's splinter.

For a second I thought you were actually going to acknowledge that some people on the right and explain how this affects you and how you are different, but then this turned into your latest litany against the left. Oh well... Back to not taking what you say seriously.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Obama hasn't been President for 8 years. I'm sure he'll make a few more stupid mistakes.

Of course! My main point is that it is way too early to crown him the worst president we've ever had.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

The DEMS were in charge of the markets while they collapsed. Same with the mortgage industry. What WAS Barney Frank doing? Chris Dodd?

Democrats were wrong for insisting people who couldn't afford homes should be able to get them anyway. Republicans were wrong for deregulating the industry to allow banks and lenders to give out bogus loans that were previously unthinkable. Democrats were wrong for allowing it to continue.

You guys have your hands in the cookie jar, eating the cookies, then blaming the Democrats for leaving the cookie jar out where you could reach it.

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

Health care was never an issue except to the non-productive members of society.

$7.25/hour. That should be enough to support yourself, 3 kids, rent, car insurance, bills, food, general expenses, school supplies, gas/bus money, AND health insurance for four people. What was I thinking. Thanks, BadKosh.

Just remember, if you're a primary school teacher, mechanic, plumber, handyman, or some other non-master tradesman, you are a completely non-productive member of society because you can't afford health insurance.

[OAW]

And then we have Mr. Limbaugh who recently ascribed the beating of a white kid on a school bus to "Obama's America" and claimed that it was racially motivated .....

Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh

Hey, look, folks, the white kid on that bus in Belleville, Illinois, he deserved to be beat up. You don't know about this story? Oh, there's video of this. The school bus filled with mostly black students beat up a white student a couple of times with all the black students cheering. Of course the white student on the bus deserved the beating. He was born a racist. That's what Newsweek magazine told us in its most recent cover. It's Obama's America, is it not? Obama's America, white kids getting beat up on school buses now. You put your kids on a school bus, you expect safety but in Obama's America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering, "Yay, right on, right on, right on, right on," and, of course, everybody says the white kid deserved it, he was born a racist, he's white. Newsweek magazine told us this. We know that white students are destroying civility on buses, white students destroying civility in classrooms all over America, white congressmen destroying civility in the House of Representatives.

But what really happened was this ....

A student on a Belleville West High School bus was beaten for his choice of seat, not because he was white, according to a witness and police.

"The incident appears now to be more about a couple of bullies on a bus dictating where people sit," said Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax, who originally said Monday's attack may have been racially motivated.

D'Vante Lott, 16, said he was on the bus and witnessed the attack by the two black students.

The victim walked onto the bus, looking for an open seat, but students kept turning him down, as D'Vante said happened often with this student.

But Monday, the victim apparently tired of asking for a seat, D'Vante said, moved one student's book-bag off a seat, and just sat down.

The student next to him then started hitting the victim for moving his bag, D'Vante said.

But the second assailant was just trying to act tough, D'Vante said. "The second guy hit him because he wanted to hit him," he said.

.......

UPDATED, 11:35 a.m. with police captain backtracking on whether attack was racially motivated.

BELLEVILLE -- A Belleville police spokesman now says an incident where a white student was beaten by teen black assailants on a bus “may not be racially motivated.”

“It was premature on my part,” said Belleville Police Capt. Don Sax. “It was my personal and emotional comment after only seeing the video briefly.”

Sax said police interviewed the 17-year-old Belleville West High student. However, he said he was unaware of what the student told police.

Some of the students on the bus yesterday during the incident cheered the beating, the video shows.

Sax said a formal statement would be made available later today.

“After having reviewed the video, it doesn't strike me nearly as racially motivated,” Sax said.

The about-face came this morning as the story made national headlines. Although, Sax said it was purely his review of the video that changed his mind.

Dispute over seat sparked attack on school bus, student says

Anyone want to bet that somehow our good friends on the right won't acknowledge Rush Limbaugh's comments to be the downright race baiting that they so often accuse the left of doing?

OAW

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by OAW 

Anyone want to bet that somehow our good friends on the right won't acknowledge Rush Limbaugh's comments to be the downright race baiting that they so often accuse the left of doing?

OAW

Rush Limbaugh isn't a political pundit. He's entertainment. Apparently conservatives consider black kids beating up a white kid entertaining. It's rather progressive of them.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by OAW 

Having said that, I find it interesting that when President Carter went there our good friends on the right are up in arms about it. But when their media darling Glenn Beck did the exact same thing
.... nary a peep out of them. Now why is that?

That's a stupid question.

There's no uproar because its not widely covered. Any instance of a black person being accused of something that is racist or something that could even potentially be construed as racist is brushed off. I hadn't even heard of your example, not that it is a good one, until just now.

If you bother to google it you'll find maybe 500 links of news outlets echoing any element of your story. Carter's accusations of racism AGAINST the black president got ten fold the coverage. Or how many thousands of stories about Henry Louis Gates crying wolf did we have to see.

Its always like that. Its a conditioned response now.
A news story breaks about a "potential" racist event against an African American and we as a society are expected to wet our pants in outrage. Stories are dashed off before news sources are able to investigate the claim's validity or gathering of the facts. American Society's great need for over compensation fashioned such an itchy trigger finger that any half assed accusation of racism against blacks has to be given national exposure to satisfy some people's guilt avoidance. Who cares if the singular event has merit or justification it will be covered ad nauseam and then people like you will find a way tie it to a few hundred years of history just to account for the rational of the accuser's claim.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

For a second I thought you were actually going to acknowledge that some people on the right and explain how this affects you and how you are different, but then this turned into your latest litany against the left. Oh well... Back to not taking what you say seriously.

I acknowledge "that some people on the right".

People in general affects me.

I'm different in that I'm an individual.

Before I can take you seriously, you've got to be able to make a coherent argument for me to reply to. If you'd practice that more, instead of trolling and trying to change the subject, you might have more success.

You also have to stop being a hypocrite. I was pointing out that the left has a much bigger problem than the right in exactly what you were trying to hang them on. After your latest littany against the right, you then complained about littanies against the left.

Here's something I read after posting that tells it how it is better than I can. It's funny that just after expressing almost the same thing here, I read Jonah Goldberg outlining the insanity in the local paper.
A Ring of Truth(ers) by Jonah Goldberg on National Review Online

Herewith, two scenarios.

Scenario A: The supposedly inept president of the United States carefully planned and orchestrated the worst terrorist attack on American soil in our history. Though “only” 3,000 people died, the plan was to kill many more by simultaneously attacking the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and either the U.S. Capitol or the White House itself on Sept. 11, 2001.

Hundreds of people, including personnel from myriad agencies, participated. According to some versions of Scenario A, explosives were placed at the World Trade Center to ensure success. In other versions, all of “the Jews” working there were tipped off by some phone bank run by the Mossad. In every version, however, the U.S. government was in on it, and everyone involved kept the biggest secret in American history.

Then there’s Scenario B: An ambitious and extremely clever politician, who has at best been selectively forthcoming about large chunks of his youth, lied about his place of birth so he could be eligible for the presidency.

To further this scheme, he has arranged for the full and/or original version of his birth certificate to remain under lock and key. At most, a handful of supporters and lawyers are in on the whole thing.

Now, which one is more believable? For the record, I don’t believe either. But it seems to me the “birther” hypothesis is vastly more plausible than the “truther” hypothesis. Politicians lie to advance their careers. You can look it up. Whole governments rarely orchestrate incredibly complex acts of physics, logistics, and mass murder all the while pinning guilt on others (who boast that they acted alone).

Just for clarification: “Truthers” believe Scenario A. “Birthers” believe Scenario B.

The question of which scenario is more plausible is neither academic nor trivial. This summer, a host of columnists, commentators, and activists, seemingly taking their cues from a White House and DNC public-relations offensive, declared that the rise of the “birthers” was a fatal indictment of modern conservatism and the Republican party. The refusal of the birthers to give up their cockamamie theory was proof that the GOP had succumbed to the “paranoid style.” Indeed, according to some liberal commentators, the birthers were the potential wellspring for a nascent Nazi movement in America. Never mind that the vast majority of leading Republicans and conservatives — from Newt Gingrich to Ann Coulter — rejected the birthers categorically.

Fast-forward to the last week or so. Van Jones, an avowed “Communist” and passionate supporter of convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, was a truther par excellence. Contrary to many reports, he didn’t merely sign 911truth.org’s petition in 2004, he helped organize one of the first truther groups as early as 2002.

When these and other revelations came to light, Jones resigned his post as White House “green jobs czar.”

The reaction from much of the liberal establishment has been fascinating, hypocritical, and deeply creepy. For starters, the same White House that fueled the anti-birther boom has refused to offer a single critical word about Jones’s past positions (some of which he recanted as his job security grew more threatened; we’ll see how long that lasts).

...you can read the rest at the link.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by OAW 

And then we have Mr. Limbaugh who recently ascribed the beating of a white kid on a school bus to "Obama's America" and claimed that it was racially motivated .....



But what really happened was this ....

PERFECT example.

If that had been two white children beating a black kid by the end of the day after it happened it would have sparked marches and a mountain of political pressure to charge the two kids with felonies and maybe a hate crime or two. All based on nothing but the suggestion that it was racially motivated and the video.

It would have been covered coast to coast and then over seas.
This story was buried ten minutes in local news in Illinois and covered only after the facts of the matter were resolved.

[OAW]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious 

That's a stupid question.

There's no uproar because its not widely covered. Any instance of a black person being accused of something that is racist or something that could even potentially be construed as racist is brushed off. I hadn't even heard of your example, not that it is a good one, until just now.

No. What's "stupid" is this statement right here. There is no "black person being accused of something that is racist" in any of the topics we are discussing. That last I checked neither President Carter nor Glenn Beck is a "black person". Yet you feel the need to make some knee-jerk, completely tangential response.

OAW

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

You also have to stop being a hypocrite.

Irony |ˈīrənē; ˈiərnē| noun ( pl. -nies): stupendousman telling other people to top being a hypocrite.

[OAW]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious 

PERFECT example.

If that had been two white children beating a black kid by the end of the day after it happened it would have sparked marches and a mountain of political pressure to charge the two kids with felonies and maybe a hate crime or two. All based on nothing but the suggestion that it was racially motivated and the video.

For the record let's note that your "If that had been ..." response didn't address the issue of whether or not Rush Limbaugh was "race baiting" with his comments.

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious 

It would have been covered coast to coast and then over seas.
This story was buried ten minutes in local news in Illinois and covered only after the facts of the matter were resolved.

It was "buried" in local news because it was a local story. School kids getting into a fight doesn't usually warrant national attention. Unless, of course, the kids catching a beat down are white and the assailants are black ... in which case both Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh milked it for all its race-baiting glory. And Limbaugh goes so far as to blame President Obama for the situation!

But, as expected, you won't simply acknowledge that Limbaugh was blatantly race baiting will you? That would be too much like right.

OAW

[BadKosh]

This explains it pretty well:

YouTube - Klavan On The Culture

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Irony |ˈīrənē; ˈiərnē| noun ( pl. -nies): stupendousman telling other people to top being a hypocrite.

Irony is you thinking making baseless accusations will score you some points, when all it does it make you look like another of those "litany" providers.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

I acknowledge "that some people on the right".

Okay, so that I can understand you as an individual...

1) Do you think that Obama can be accurately compared to Hilter?
2) Do you think Obama has personal connections to terrorists organizations and plans to do harm to America by way of terrorism?
3) Do you think Obama is a Muslim?
4) Do you think Obama's plans are literally to destroy America?
5) Do you think that Obama literally has plans to turn America into a socialist country? (I think I know the answer to this one!) If so, how does he intend to do so?
6) Do you think Obama wants to form death panels?
7) Do you think that Obama was born in the United States?
8) Do you think Obama is secretly a communist/facist/socialist?
9) Do you think that Obama literally wants to take over health care?

This is some of the rhetoric coming from the right, so I'm curious to know how much of this you do not want to be associated with?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

This explains it pretty well:

YouTube - Klavan On The Culture

Conservatives know their own tactics really well.

Let's call Pres. Obama a racist first. Okay Liberals, you can know shut-up about racism now cause we already used it on Pres. Obama.


Let's call Pres. Obama un-American, un-patriotic, Hitler, Nazi, Muslim, Terrorist, Arab, foreign-born, Fascist, Communist, Marxist, Socialist.


People who protest against Bush. Conservatives and FOX news calls them:

Traitors! SHUT-UP!
Un-patriotic! SHUT-UP!
Un-American! SHUT-UP!
Communist! SHUT-UP!
Terrorist! SHUT-UP!
Cry-Babies! SHUT-UP!

By the way, does this guy even know what Net Neutrality is?