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Mac OS X 10.5.8 is out
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it's much like 10.5.7...only the 7 is now an 8...
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And mail STILL doesnt hide on boot up even tho its ticked!
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Noting that it says "bluetooth problems fixed" - I hope so..this time...
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Originally Posted by richwig83
And mail STILL doesnt hide on boot up even tho its ticked!
OMG!
Seriously, how hard can it be?
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That one hasn't worked since Panther or so (or was it Jaguar?). Clearly it's a serious and difficult technical problem that needs to be saved for Snow Leopard (or perhaps the next one after that).
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Originally Posted by CharlesS
That one hasn't worked since Panther or so (or was it Jaguar?). Clearly it's a serious and difficult technical problem that needs to be saved for Snow Leopard (or perhaps the next one after that).
Obviously.
Together with the other incredibly serious and difficult problem where the Finder cannot remember its default window size.
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It's funny though. Steve is always described as an obsessed perfectionist that won't launch a product until it's just perfect. They claim he'll hover over the engineers and nitpick until every last detail has been fixed.
How can they keep spreading that nonsense when Apple's flagship product OS X has contained such obvious bugs over the coarse of several updates?
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Well, the Finder's allegedly getting a rewrite in Cocoa, and all you have to do in Cocoa is set an autosave name for the window in Interface Builder to get it to remember its size/position, so I'd say you actually have a decent chance on that one.
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Well I doubt it's thaaat much more complicated in Carbon so I sure aint holding my breath.
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Originally Posted by Simon
It's funny though. Steve is always described as an obsessed perfectionist that won't launch a product until it's just perfect. They claim he'll hover over the engineers and nitpick until every last detail has been fixed.
How can they keep spreading that nonsense when Apple's flagship product OS X has contained such obvious bugs over the coarse of several updates?
Oh, it's not nearly as bad as it was in the old days. Remember Mac OS X 10.0? I had a list of completely obnoxious UI bugs that had around 75 items in it. You could have the Dock on autohide and drag an icon to its edge of the screen, and it would fail to pop up half the time. That drove me absolutely bats, as I had a 1024x768 screen at the time.
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Originally Posted by Simon
Well I doubt it's thaaat much more complicated in Carbon so I sure aint holding my breath.
I could go add that myself to a Cocoa app just with IB, without even having access to the source code or anything, if it weren't for those lame new .nib files that lack the files needed to be properly openable. Well, and also code signing. Ah well. The point is that this shouldn't be hard for them to add to the Finder in Snow Leopard.
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Sure, but how hard is it now?
To me it appears as if it were rooted in principle (WTF?) rather than in their coding abilities.
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Originally Posted by CharlesS
Oh, it's not nearly as bad as it was in the old days. Remember Mac OS X 10.0? I had a list of completely obnoxious UI bugs that had around 75 items in it. You could have the Dock on autohide and drag an icon to its edge of the screen, and it would fail to pop up half the time. That drove me absolutely bats, as I had a 1024x768 screen at the time.
I had the same type of list for 10.0. It's pretty clear now, looking back, that 10.0 was Public Beta 2. I never really got the furor over Mail not auto-hiding, but there are of course a number of other long-standing issues that have elicited anger from me.
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WTF, it seems like it installed an older version of iTunes!???!
I can't open my library anymore because "it was created by a newer version of iTunes"!
Crap!
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Originally Posted by Simon
It's funny though. Steve is always described as an obsessed perfectionist that won't launch a product until it's just perfect. They claim he'll hover over the engineers and nitpick until every last detail has been fixed.
How can they keep spreading that nonsense when Apple's flagship product OS X has contained such obvious bugs over the coarse of several updates?
You don't know what's happening behind the scene.
Maybe every OS update, a new engineer gets executed fired until it's done ?
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My Airport hasn't dropped once since the update yesterday. Yay!! I used to have dropouts at least 3 times daily. I hope it holds.
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The reason that the Mail not hiding thing isn't going to get fixed is because that feature is only allowed to work on odd-numbered releases of OS X.
In 10.1, it worked. The window would appear briefly on login, but would hide itself shortly.
In 10.2, it didn't. The window would appear at login and never hide.
In 10.3, all my login items hid properly, and their windows never appeared at login at all. It was great, until one of the 10.3.x updates came out and caused iCal's window to stop hiding.
In 10.4, iCal hid properly again, but Mail went back to not hiding, and now Terminal started doing it too.
In 10.5, Terminal worked but Mail still didn't, messing up the pattern, which means that the next one is going to cause a huge rip in the space-time continuum, send us all back to 1984, and suck planets into black holes.
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Originally Posted by dzp111
My Airport hasn't dropped once since the update yesterday. Yay!! I used to have dropouts at least 3 times daily. I hope it holds.
Sigh. So much for that.
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Originally Posted by turtle777
Maybe every OS update, a new engineer gets executed fired until it's done ?
Hehe.
So by know they must have stacked up a lot of bodies on the Cupertino campus.
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Originally Posted by Simon
Hehe.
So by know they must have stacked up a lot of bodies on the Cupertino campus.
No, no, a dead Apple engineer is still valuable to a lot of tech companies
Apple sells them to M$ and others
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Originally Posted by JKT
Soylent Green has to come from somewhere, you know!
Mmm... people.
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Originally Posted by TheoCryst
Mmm... people.
Tastes just like Grandma used to.
Back to the subject of 10.5.8...Is anyone here seeing the problem discussed in this Apple forum thread? I'm about to send my daughter off to college with her MacBook, but I'm not sure I want to do the update if it's going to wreck her wifi reception the way those people describe.
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I just checked a 13" macbook pro and a 15" macbook pro, and neither of them exhibited any change in pings between powered and battery.
I know that's not a huge sample size.. Just sayin.
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Originally Posted by Thorzdad
Tastes just like Grandma used to.
Back to the subject of 10.5.8...Is anyone here seeing the problem discussed in this Apple forum thread? I'm about to send my daughter off to college with her MacBook, but I'm not sure I want to do the update if it's going to wreck her wifi reception the way those people describe.
WiFi over Airport connecting to a Belkin-N Wireless Router is BORKED after this update. My 20" Intel iMac (2008) is losing the Airport connection repeatedly. No such problem under 10.5.7. None of my other computers on the same wireless network are having this problem maintaining a connection.
Not sure if this is related to the issue in that discussion thread.
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Originally Posted by AKcrab
I just checked a 13" macbook pro and a 15" macbook pro, and neither of them exhibited any change in pings between powered and battery.
I know that's not a huge sample size.. Just sayin.
Add another 15" MBP to the sample. Virtually identical pings on power and battery. And no weird connectivity issues here, but clearly YMMV.
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Originally Posted by TheoCryst
Mmm... people.
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Originally Posted by CharlesS
That one hasn't worked since Panther or so (or was it Jaguar?). Clearly it's a serious and difficult technical problem that needs to be saved for Snow Leopard (or perhaps the next one after that).
srsly I'd just settle for being able to update a customers mac from 10.4 to 5 and have mail actually work.
Given that mail is an integral part of the Mac and OSX experience it has become an incredibly shabby product. It quits all the time, imap handling is beyond woeful and out the other side again, it's slow... but the fact that I have to trash it, archive customer mail as a precaution and then jump through hoops just to get it to work after every upgrade is pathetic.
Any Mac app that has a microsoft version that is actually functionally superior is in a bad way.
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Mail has never to my recollection quit on me, I don't find much of any problem with IMAP, and it's usually fast. Maybe your mail needs are a lot different than mine, but I'm pretty happy with Mail.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
Mail has never to my recollection quit on me, I don't find much of any problem with IMAP, and it's usually fast. Maybe your mail needs are a lot different than mine, but I'm pretty happy with Mail.
I'll second that. In my experience Mail has been almost entirely trouble-free. Even across update installs from Panther and Tiger.
The exception was the bug that crashed Mail when you dragged a Finder item onto its Dock icon. But Apple fixed that bug with one of the 10.5.x updates.
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Let me add though that I use POP3. I never use IMAP. By choice.
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There is a bug in 10.5 that prevents e.g. MobileMe accounts from opening properly in Mail when you upgrade from 10.4 via an archive and install, which forces you to reset your account in Mail. It has been there since 10.5.0 and is STILL THERE in 10.5.8. Thankfully I am savvy enough to know how to fix this for everyone that experiences it, but for your average user? They are potentially going to lose a lot of e-mails (e.g. if they archived them to their hard drive) by doing the 'wrong' thing when attempting a fix.
I suspect that this is the issue that Andrew Stephens could be talking about.
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Originally Posted by JKT
. Thankfully I am savvy enough to know how to fix this for everyone that experiences it...
Would you mind sharing that with us, then? just for the sake of having here in a thread? Could be useful to someone doing a search.
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