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Sep 11, 2002, 07:18 PM
 
It's a sunny day in Sweden and I am opening the Calculator to do some, surprise, calculations.

Its cute, the new Calculator with brushed look and paper tape. But the damn thing is so slow to react when I press the numbers on the keyboard that I can calculate it in my own little brain much quickier.

Isn't that really, really sad?

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Sep 11, 2002, 07:23 PM
 
God, shut the f*ck up.
     
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Sep 11, 2002, 07:30 PM
 
Originally posted by piracy:
God, shut the f*ck up.
Indeed. I have about a 0.2 second lag, woop-de-doo. It has tons of new features.
     
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Sep 11, 2002, 07:59 PM
 
Too bad Apple didn't bundle PCalc 2 with the new machines like they did with my dual gig. This little baby rocks and it seems like apple's new calculator has stolen a page right out of this free little app.
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Sep 11, 2002, 08:27 PM
 
There's no lag on my machine: G4/867.

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Sep 11, 2002, 10:36 PM
 
Originally posted by piracy:
God, shut the f*ck up.
Wow, piracy, your posts are just so chock full of thoughtful, intelligent insight that I just can't wait for your next entries.

Now, where were we? I have a huge delay as well when just entering numbers into the thing as well. I do have a beige G3/300, but it seems to handle all of the other non-intensive stuff without choking. I can't imagine what's going on with Calculator. This is not a simple whine, it's a real issue with this app.
     
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Sep 11, 2002, 10:39 PM
 
i agree, there is an unnecessary lag
     
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Sep 11, 2002, 11:53 PM
 
speaking of calculators... is there any NICE scientific calculator i can use for college?
     
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Sep 11, 2002, 11:59 PM
 
Originally posted by Nebagakid:
i agree, there is an unnecessary lag
Calculator blows on my iBook 500. I have resisted anti-apple things till now. But calculator, buggy iCal, and less buggy but stable Jaguar are changing things. They better keep pace with bug fixes rather than adding more apps. This is not how apple used to be before.
     
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Sep 12, 2002, 12:19 AM
 
Calculator is great.. except, yes, I too find that there is a noticible delay when punching in numbers using either the mouse or keypad. The delay isn't THAT bad though, but it definately is slightly annoying. I'm running a 733mhz G4 btw.
     
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Sep 12, 2002, 12:42 AM
 
jeez i'd be happy if calculator could simply calculate. try adding 9.11 to any number. makes the issue of number entry lag, seem trivial in comparison doesnt it?
     
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Sep 12, 2002, 01:49 AM
 
Calculator in Jaguar has a 1-2 second delay for me too.

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It's a freakin' calculator. I can't understand why it runs so slow. It's sad, really. Anyone have any ideas why this would be?
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Sep 12, 2002, 02:52 AM
 
Originally posted by Cory Bauer:
It's a freakin' calculator. I can't understand why it runs so slow. It's sad, really. Anyone have any ideas why this would be?
Maybe because it has Botswana pula, Cyprus pounds and Trinidad & Tobago dollars for it's currency converter, but no Swiss Francs.

Remember: Apple has 9 - 10% marketshare in Switzerland...

Other than that, I find Calculator to be really nice, and speedy enough on my TiBook 800.
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Sep 12, 2002, 03:00 AM
 
Originally posted by 7Macfreak:
speaking of calculators... is there any NICE scientific calculator i can use for college?
I use the TI-89, works great. I prefer the TI-83 for any statistical work.
     
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Sep 12, 2002, 03:57 AM
 
Originally posted by Cory Bauer:
Calculator in Jaguar has a 1-2 second delay for me too.

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It's a freakin' calculator. I can't understand why it runs so slow. It's sad, really. Anyone have any ideas why this would be?
Nope. I worked throught the lessons in 'Learning Cocoa' which shows you how to write a calculator in Cocoa. Mine was blazingly fast in comparison to Apple's. OK, it missed most of the scientific functions, but it did have a paper tape.
     
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Sep 12, 2002, 04:43 AM
 
Actually in the betas 6c48 the calculator was exactly the same, but really really fast. Before that it had been really slow like it is now. I wish I had that dev build to copy the calculator out of :-(
     
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Sep 12, 2002, 05:23 AM
 
Calculator is racist against fast typists.

I use Top Calculette Pro. It has minimize in place! But it is racist against the UK Pound. It has a money converter that includes the US Dollar, the Euro and all the European currencies that no longer exist. But no Pound Sterling. It stinks of a French conspiracy.
     
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Sep 12, 2002, 06:49 AM
 
Originally posted by El Pre$idente:
Calculator is racist against fast typists.
Did you learn a new word recently?

Calculator is racist - iCal is racist - you're studid.
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Sep 12, 2002, 07:12 AM
 
I don't know what I am going to do Johnny's homework is never finished in the morning. He keeps blaming the extra .00234 of a second it takes the numbers to display on his OS X calculator, whatever that means.
What is a mom to do?

     
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Sep 14, 2002, 12:12 PM
 
Minimizing the calculator window (green;-) should solve your problems.

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Sep 14, 2002, 12:48 PM
 
That certainly gets rid of the lag. I don't know if it's just me though, but if I hide the keypad with the green button I can no longer drag the window anywhere until I show the keypad again
     
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Sep 14, 2002, 01:10 PM
 
Originally posted by 7Macfreak:
speaking of calculators... is there any NICE scientific calculator i can use for college?

I recommend the HP 48GX.
It is the GOD of calculators.

AND, there is a CARBON Port of the X48 Emulator!!!

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Sep 14, 2002, 01:17 PM
 
Originally posted by Siddhartha:


I use the TI-89, works great. I prefer the TI-83 for any statistical work.
Both good calculators, but they can be a bit slow when doing large calculations. My old Casio 9700 did a large matrix manipulation or graph plot in a quarter of time when compared to a TI-82 or TI-85 (similar to the TI-83). But then maybe I should just cut down on the coffee...

My advice remains the Casio 9750. Whatever you do, don't get one with a color screen (9950 and the like) - they're impossible to read in bright light.
     
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Sep 14, 2002, 01:56 PM
 
Originally posted by piracy:
God, shut the f*ck up.
What's your problem? zadak is only expressing his concern with the calculator.

Anyway, I have about a 1 second lag with my iMac DV.


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Sep 14, 2002, 02:35 PM
 
Hadn't tried the Calculator before. Just did. No lag at all on my dual 800.
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Sep 14, 2002, 02:36 PM
 
I would just be happy if they fixed this longstanding (I think since System 1, but mostly likely wrong). Anyway try this:
1- .9 -.1=?
Should be zero, but it isn't. Statistically, it is in insignificant number, but it is still not zero.
There are other combinations that will work. Or should I say not work.
     
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Sep 14, 2002, 06:39 PM
 
I have a G3 500 ...

No lag at all in Calculator in Jaguar in basic window mode. Barely perceptible lag in extended. And I mean barely. Which I attribute to window redraw and all the anti-aliasing.

Anybody who rips on this app and brags about being able to do the math faster in their heads (is pressing buttons slowing you down too, buddy?) seriously has to start volunteering at a food bank or with orphans, because their priorities are out of wack.
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Sep 14, 2002, 06:45 PM
 
Originally posted by Karl Snyder:
I would just be happy if they fixed this longstanding (I think since System 1, but mostly likely wrong). Anyway try this:
1- .9 -.1=?
Should be zero, but it isn't. Statistically, it is in insignificant number, but it is still not zero.
There are other combinations that will work. Or should I say not work.
If you repeatedly press "=" again after that equation, it continues subtracting .1, but gets it right (-.1, -.2, -.3, ...)

odd.
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Sep 14, 2002, 06:48 PM
 
Originally posted by El Pre$idente:
Calculator is racist against fast typists.
The man is always trying to keep us down. Preach on brutha! Power to the people!
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Sep 14, 2002, 06:55 PM
 
In advanced mode try:
.3 then + then = then = then = etc.
See what value you get for 0.9, and for values above 3?????
     
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Sep 14, 2002, 08:54 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:
I don't know what I am going to do Johnny's homework is never finished in the morning. He keeps blaming the extra .00234 of a second it takes the numbers to display on his OS X calculator, whatever that means.
What is a mom to do?


that's not the ****ing point ...
the point here is that Calculator is a pain in the ass to use.
for software bundled with the operating system that's unnaceptable.

I can imagine how long that calculator would last in the Linux community.


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Sep 15, 2002, 12:00 AM
 
Originally posted by Karl Snyder:
I would just be happy if they fixed this longstanding (I think since System 1, but mostly likely wrong). Anyway try this:
1- .9 -.1=?
Should be zero, but it isn't. Statistically, it is in insignificant number, but it is still not zero.
There are other combinations that will work. Or should I say not work.
This is the result that I get:
-2.775558e-17

(No idea what that's all about.)

But no lag on my G4/500 Cube. (I love my Cube).
     
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Sep 15, 2002, 12:50 AM
 
The reason for the lag is because when you press a key on the keyboard, it simulates a mouse click in the corresponding button on the calculator (i.e. the button highlights and dehighlights). This take a little bit of time, not because it takes a long time to redraw a little button, but because there is a built in delay so that the user can actually see the button do its highlighting. That being said, it'd sure be nice to have a way to turn it off. Or maybe they could put it in another thread, so the calculator could take advantage of that second Ghz processor.
     
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Sep 15, 2002, 03:37 AM
 
Originally posted by Siddhartha:


I use the TI-89, works great. I prefer the TI-83 for any statistical work.
Well, my TI 83 got stolen, so I eventually bought a TI 89, too.
How come you prefer the TI 83 for statistical stuff? I mean, the only thing that annoys me is that I have to type LinRegr ... and then again StatAnz (it's German).
But other than that, it does pretty smart thing. (You can divide two lists, e. g. {2,4,6} by {1,2,3} gives ya {2,2,2} ...).
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Sep 15, 2002, 03:37 AM
 
There's plenty of replacement. For serious calculations, I use my TI 89 or Mathematica.
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Sep 15, 2002, 04:24 AM
 
The reason for the lag is because when you press a key on the keyboard, it simulates a mouse click in the corresponding button on the calculator (i.e. the button highlights and dehighlights). This take a little bit of time, not because it takes a long time to redraw a little button, but because there is a built in delay so that the user can actually see the button do its highlighting.
Sorry, this (if true) would be the stupidest thing Apple could ever come up with (even though 'stupidest' isn't a proper word), like worse than menu blinking (3x). They do the highlighting effect on the 10.i.x calculator (where i < 2), which is clearly visible, without lagging behind annoyingly.
     
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Sep 15, 2002, 04:54 AM
 
Originally posted by Seb G:
Sorry, this (if true) would be the stupidest thing Apple could ever come up with (even though 'stupidest' isn't a proper word), like worse than menu blinking (3x). They do the highlighting effect on the 10.i.x calculator (where i < 2), which is clearly visible, without lagging behind annoyingly.
I love the menu confirmation blinking, wish it would be three times in OS X though.
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Sep 15, 2002, 10:12 AM
 
"Stupidest" is a proper word, and the calculator works fine for me (Dual-800).
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Sep 15, 2002, 10:38 AM
 
Originally posted by scottiB:
The calculator works fine for me (Dual-800).
It works on an OK level, but there are issues that ought to be fixed. Let me summarise:

1) Button click simulation should be fixed. The delay vanished after I did the zoom Calculator trick once, so it's probably easy to fix.

2) Calculator needs to intelligently round the displayed number. While mathematically right under some circumstances, numbers like 0.999999 for 1 just looks too odd.

3) Problems with comma as decimal delimiter need to be fixed.

4) +/- button should add one minus symbol max. While most people know that minus by minus is plus, again this looks odd.

5) Dragging problems in small size need to be fixed.

6) Calculator needs to provide a Calculator Service.

7) * and / precedent + and - and bracketing would be nice.
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Sep 15, 2002, 10:59 AM
 
I left calculator in small mode last time I Quat (which isn't a word either)

When I re-launched it was a bit confused…



On a more positive note - the Calculator's "screen" has a contextual menu attached that allows Address-Book style large type:

( Last edited by Diggory Laycock; Sep 15, 2002 at 11:07 AM. )
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Sep 15, 2002, 01:57 PM
 
Is there any way to make the large type stick? It dissapears the moment I try to type another number?

I also have no lag on a TiBook (400).
     
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Sep 15, 2002, 02:18 PM
 
Originally posted by Sarc:



that's not the ****ing point ...
the point here is that Calculator is a pain in the ass to use.
for software bundled with the operating system that's unnaceptable.

I can imagine how long that calculator would last in the Linux community.


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I guess that is a opinion. I use it on my 350mhz G3 with zero problems.

Maybe it was optimized for the G3.
     
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Sep 16, 2002, 12:52 PM
 
Originally posted by Zimphire:


I guess that is a opinion. I use it on my 350mhz G3 with zero problems.

Maybe it was optimized for the G3.
On a comparable machine, I see a lag of about a second PER KEY. So if I multiply two six digit numbers, I have to wait about TWELVE SECONDS to see the answer. You're telling me that's acceptable?
     
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Sep 16, 2002, 01:22 PM
 
Have you guys found out the Convert-menu with a bunch of conversions.... I think this feature is great, not as good as ConverTable, but a good start. I only hope Apple adds some more convertibles.... such as ancient stuff
     
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Sep 16, 2002, 01:27 PM
 
Originally posted by noisefloor:


On a comparable machine, I see a lag of about a second PER KEY. So if I multiply two six digit numbers, I have to wait about TWELVE SECONDS to see the answer. You're telling me that's acceptable?
Seriously? I type in a 6 digit multiplication problem and by the time I am done the answer is there.

I don't have to wait 12 seconds.

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Sep 17, 2002, 05:32 PM
 
Works great here. No delay at all. Whaay better that OS IX's! Remember that antique? Man, was that ever embarrassing...
     
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Sep 17, 2002, 06:41 PM
 
Am I the only one who wishes Apple would port its excellent Graphing Calculator from MacOS 7 - 9 to Carbon? It is still available in the Sys9 folder. That is much better than all these silly "emulate a hand calculator" programs. Emulating a hand calculator also seemed kind of futile. Why not just use a hand calculator? You're giving up all the advantages that a computer gives you.

Graphing Calculator seemed to have all the features I needed (i.e. simple variables) with some very nice and well thought out graphing features.
     
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Graphing Calculator wasn't an Apple product.
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