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Doc HM
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Jan 20, 2020, 04:07 PM
 
So after a last scoff on Jan 1st (leftovers etc), and after a lot of prodding from my daughters I have waved good bye to the fleshy joys.

Now I have always considered myself to be one of those unredeemable hold outs who would go to the grave eating meat but (so far) it appears not.

20 days in and so far so good. No major internal bowel changes (no further information needed), and everything still feels the same. Its not an ethical animal choice. I guess its partially health and partially the environmental cost of meat.

Anyway. Any advise on ways to go to ensure things continue to go OK. So far the biggest driver is the "pinky promise" with my youngest daughter. How could anyone break that!

Top tips? Tricks? Pitfalls? Advise.
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Jan 20, 2020, 07:37 PM
 
Pepper and egg sammiches.
     
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Jan 20, 2020, 08:06 PM
 
How meatless are we talking? Fish ok? Eggs? The best way to go, imho, is to adapt a lot of Mediterranean, middle-eastern, asian, and vegetarian dishes. Also, tofu can be made very delicious.
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Jan 20, 2020, 08:31 PM
 
I'm not a huge meat eater which is why I don't give any thought to giving it up. I go for quality over quantity where possible so I'm not doing much harm to the environment at all. Local, organic, free range etc.
I could never go vegan. Cheese is life.

Halloumi is a great thing if you aren't already acquainted. I'm sure everyone is by now.
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Jan 20, 2020, 09:48 PM
 
best of luck, I couldn't do it.

from what I can tell from veg friends, make sure you are eating enough other proteins.
     
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Jan 21, 2020, 03:21 AM
 
Fish is ok although it seems a bit like cheating. Likewise eggs are fine although probably best to limit them as the aren’t all that great for you in quantity.

Specifically the Asian stuff is great. I love dishes that meat doesn’t add anything to and a lot of stir fry stuff is like this. As was the vegetable goulash I made the other night.

On the flip side it turns out that pizza is NOT a foodstuff that meat doesn’t add anything to. Looks like I’ll have to add that to the short list of things that won’t be the same or as good again.
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Jan 21, 2020, 03:39 AM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
Fish is ok although it seems a bit like cheating. Likewise eggs are fine although probably best to limit them as the aren’t all that great for you in quantity.
That depends on why you want to become a vegetarian: if it is on ethical grounds, well, I sort of see your point, although fish are certainly more primitive than mammals. And if you go by the suffering you inflict, you may want to limit yourself to e. g. shellfish and the like. Their nervous system is so primitive that some vegans are ok eating shellfish (because there is scientific evidence that these creatures do not suffer).

If you want to be healthier, incorporating fish in your diet is an excellent option. Of course, you should stay away from fish and chips, but steamed, grilled or baked fish is delicious and rich in essential oils and amino acids.
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On the flip side it turns out that pizza is NOT a foodstuff that meat doesn’t add anything to. Looks like I’ll have to add that to the short list of things that won’t be the same or as good again.
IMHO there are some foods that naturally lend themselves to vegetarians, e. g. curries and pasta, but others that do not. I would not want to eat any meat substitute, because compared the original, they just aren't that good.

I'm trying to reduce meat consumption, too, but I feel like I have to learn how to make good vegetarian dishes. Last Sunday I prepared an eggplant curry, which wasn't bad, but when I ate it, I thought “this would be tastier with meat”. I have eaten enough curries, though, to know that with good vegetable curries this thought does not bubble up to the surface of my mindscape.
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Jan 21, 2020, 04:10 AM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
On the flip side it turns out that pizza is NOT a foodstuff that meat doesn’t add anything to. Looks like I’ll have to add that to the short list of things that won’t be the same or as good again.
Try adding a bit of hot sauce to pizza. Cranks up the heat nicely.
     
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Jan 21, 2020, 08:27 AM
 
Have found an excellent sweet potato satay curry. Simple and tasty. No meat required.
I’m a sousing replacing meat with processed veggie alternatives ie bean burgers etc. Rather move to food that works on its own not meatless versions of meat meals
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Jan 21, 2020, 08:33 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
That depends on why you want to become a vegetarian: if it is on ethical grounds, well, I sort of see your point, although fish are certainly more primitive than mammals. And if you go by the suffering you inflict, you may want to limit yourself to e. g. shellfish and the like. Their nervous system is so primitive that some vegans are ok eating shellfish (because there is scientific evidence that these creatures do not suffer).
I've never seen that kind of flexibility from a vegan. If anything they go to extraordinary lengths in the opposite direction. Like who suffers if you pick up an egg that a chicken just dropped and left in a free range environment?
Also its my understanding that vegans reject those lab grown "cloned" meat burgers that were created from a skin scraping from a cow that likely didn't notice.
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Jan 21, 2020, 09:14 AM
 
Some vegans start from the premise is that they want to avoid animals suffering on behalf of humans. And some are open to the argument that environmentally friendly farmed shellfish such as scallops are ok.That’s why to them plant-based and vegan are not synonymous. There are other edge cases like honey: most vegans don’t eat it, but some do. The reason seems to be the claim that some beekeepers burn the beehive at the end of the season.
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Jan 21, 2020, 10:31 AM
 
We switched to a whole food plant based diet over the summer. The hardest aspect, I found, was finding good recipes, and taking extra time to prep meals/cook. This website (no affiliation) has been a great source of WFPB recipes for us:
Monkey & Me

Best of luck.
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Jan 21, 2020, 11:42 AM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
On the flip side it turns out that pizza is NOT a foodstuff that meat doesn’t add anything to. Looks like I’ll have to add that to the short list of things that won’t be the same or as good again.
Nah. A well-made margherita pizza is sublime! Sauce, mozz, basil, and a dribble of olive oil. Simple and delicious.

Similarly, when I'm in the mood for a quick pizza at home, I'll take a flour tortilla, spread some pesto over it, add some sun-dried tomato, parmesan, and mozz, and pop it on a piping-hot baking stone for about 8-10 minutes.
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Jan 21, 2020, 04:09 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
Have found an excellent sweet potato satay curry. Simple and tasty. No meat required.
I’m a sousing replacing meat with processed veggie alternatives ie bean burgers etc. Rather move to food that works on its own not meatless versions of meat meals
I was a vegetarian for all of 8 months some 20 years ago, and I’ll make a plea for bean burgers.

The ones I had didn’t try to taste anything like a burger. They have their own distinct taste, which I personally liked.

What they do try to do is fill the “hot patty on bread” niche, which can be nice to fill at times.
     
   
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