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SupahCoolX · Dec 2, 2002, 08:48 PM

I think we should start one thread for ongoing discussion of Chimera nightly builds. At any given time, there are 2-3 threads going about 2-3 different builds, all tracking different issues. With just one catch-all thread, we'll have just one place to go for updates. It will make it easier for us to follow the progress of certain bugs, their fixes, and the implementation of new features. Maybe it will even rival that monster OmniWeb nightlies thread!

Anyway, for those who haven't tried it, visit http://chimera.mozdev.org and test it out. Chimera has really come a long way over the past few months, and looks to have a great future ahead of it!

stevenhaddon · Dec 2, 2002, 09:03 PM

Anyway, for those who haven't tried it, visit http://chimera.mozdev.org and test it out. Chimera has really come a long way over the past few months, and looks to have a great future ahead of it!

Very true. Every time I download, I spend a little more time in Chimera.

But typing this has reminded me of one of the reasons I can't use it full time - in input boxes, the text lags behind my typing, I can see the characters appear one by one - and the cursor has some sort of weird hypnotic flicker to it...

Steve

Art Vandelay · Dec 3, 2002, 03:47 AM

The 12/3 build will feature split preferences for auto-download and auto-dispatch of downloads instead of the unified pref in the current builds.

Auto-download will be enabled by default, whereas auto-dispatch will be off by default. This should make some people happy.

Art Vandelay · Dec 3, 2002, 03:48 AM

It will also feature a fix for the QuickTime plugin so that MPEGs will play in the browser now.

clebin · Dec 3, 2002, 06:47 AM

For those who haven't noticed, you can now browse the local filesystem with 'file:///' Don't know when it was added, but it must have been recent-ish.

I've been waiting for it as I have a load of guitar tabs on my machine which I usually browse this way...

Chris

gorickey · Dec 3, 2002, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
The 12/3 build will feature split preferences for auto-download and auto-dispatch of downloads instead of the unified pref in the current builds.

Auto-download will be enabled by default, whereas auto-dispatch will be off by default. This should make some people happy.

Just got the 12/3 build, also has new icons for the Preference panes...looks nice!

Jim Paradise · Dec 3, 2002, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
It will also feature a fix for the QuickTime plugin so that MPEGs will play in the browser now.

Yay!!! QT works now... and typing has been improved a fair amount too. These have been my main two issues with this amazing browser.

Silky Voice of The Gorn · Dec 3, 2002, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
The 12/3 build will feature split preferences for auto-download and auto-dispatch of downloads instead of the unified pref in the current builds.

Auto-download will be enabled by default, whereas auto-dispatch will be off by default. This should make some people happy.

I'm running 12/3 but I don't see these pref panes

Art Vandelay · Dec 3, 2002, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Silky Voice of The Gorn:

I'm running 12/3 but I don't see these pref panes

That's because there isn't a GUI for them yet. Look here to see how to configure both.

OwlBoy · Dec 3, 2002, 04:38 PM

Sweet, it asks you if you really want to quit when downloading files now!

I have quit Chimera and went "Damn it!" millions of times.

-Owl

bernt · Dec 3, 2002, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:

That's because there isn't a GUI for them yet. Look here to see how to configure both.

Not much help for us who ain't so "hacking-savvy"!

Care to give a more detailed description?

bernt

Crazy69 · Dec 3, 2002, 07:25 PM

would you mind posting a picture of the new pref icons?...im on a 56k and don't have time to d/l the new version. thanks!

Seamus · Dec 3, 2002, 07:37 PM

Am I the only one who can't see table background colors anymore in the recent Chimera builds? It's been like this for about a week.

Silky Voice of The Gorn · Dec 3, 2002, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by bernt:

Not much help for us who ain't so "hacking-savvy"!

Care to give a more detailed description?

bernt

Yeah seriously...if there is a prefs.js line in there, I can't find it

AKcrab · Dec 3, 2002, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Silky Voice of The Gorn:
Yeah seriously...if there is a prefs.js line in there, I can't find it

Logic changed as suggested and checked in. There's no UI for enabling this pref
yet but it can be tested by adding the following line to your user.js file:

user_pref("browser.download.autoDownload", true);
user_pref("browser.download.autoDispatch", true);

If you don't have a user.js file it's a plain text file and goes in your profile
directory at the same level as your prefs.js file

edit: added both options to the quote.

Millennium · Dec 3, 2002, 11:15 PM

Bonsai

This links to Bonsai, Mozilla's (and Chimera's) source code version-control system. In particular, it's configured to show you all the changes to Chimera in the last week, relative to whenever you click on the link.

The important columns if all you're looking for is new changes are the first column (when the change was made) and the last column (what the change was).

Millennium · Dec 3, 2002, 11:48 PM

By the way, the link I posted above will only show Chimera-specific changes. However, since Chimera uses its own branch of the Gecko engine (one which is quite old at this point), these are just about the only changes which apply to it at this time.

intastella · Dec 4, 2002, 12:15 AM

I looked at Bonsai and I see something about QuickDraw! What's up with that? That have to do with some plugins?

Producer · Dec 4, 2002, 12:19 AM

I was wondering if that page shows the under the hood gecko changes between builds...I don't think does..

Also if chimera runs on an old version of gecko then errrr when will it run on the newest version? I assume mozilla 1.3a has the newest version of gecko....also how much of a speed boost will we get from the newest version of gecko? I assume we should get some because mozilla is getting faster and faster as well

Toyin · Dec 4, 2002, 12:26 AM

I've been using the auto-download and auto open function in the 11/26 build. I used chimera changa to activate them.

Have the recent builds improved the speed of the history pane?

Art Vandelay · Dec 4, 2002, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Toyin:
I've been using the auto-download and auto open function in the 11/26 build. I used chimera changa to activate them.

Have the recent builds improved the speed of the history pane?

Before the 12/3 build, the auto-download and auto-dispatch were rolled into one pref. You either had both on or both off. Now you can configure each independently of one another.

Art Vandelay · Dec 4, 2002, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Producer:
I was wondering if that page shows the under the hood gecko changes between builds...I don't think does..

Also if chimera runs on an old version of gecko then errrr when will it run on the newest version? I assume mozilla 1.3a has the newest version of gecko....also how much of a speed boost will we get from the newest version of gecko? I assume we should get some because mozilla is getting faster and faster as well

It doesn't show changes to the Mozilla trunk, since it's on its own branch. However, you will see when they pull changes from the trunk to the branch that they want to incorporate into Chimera.

They are using the 1.0.1 trunk of Mozilla because they didn't want to have to deal with Mozilla 1.2's problems in addition to Chimera's. They said once 1.2 went stable, that they would move to it.

fortepianissimo · Dec 4, 2002, 01:00 PM

May I ask what's the difference between user.js and prefs.js?

Art Vandelay · Dec 4, 2002, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
May I ask what's the difference between user.js and prefs.js?

The user.js file is where you, the user, puts your custom configurations. The prefs.js file is automatically created by Chimera based on its current configuration. Manually changing the file may work, but you can lose the changes eventually as the file is regenerated periodically. Chimera only reads the user.js file, it doesn't manipulate it.

Seamus · Dec 4, 2002, 01:25 PM

So...no one else is getting this missing table backgrounds rendering error in the latest nightly builds? It is realllly annoying. Here's a screenshot:

Slashdot shouldn't look like this.

Art Vandelay · Dec 4, 2002, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Seamus:
So...no one else is getting this missing table backgrounds rendering error in the latest nightly builds? It is realllly annoying. Here's a screenshot:

Slashdot shouldn't look like this.

Nope. Try removing your profile.

Seamus · Dec 4, 2002, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:

Nope. Try removing your profile.

That fixed it. Thanks Art.

Art Vandelay · Dec 5, 2002, 03:48 PM

The 12/6 build will feature a new Downloads pane in the preferences. Presumably, this means no more editing of the user.js file for configuring download options.

Montanan · Dec 5, 2002, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
The 12/6 build will feature a new Downloads pane in the preferences. Presumably, this means no more editing of the user.js file for configuring download options.

The Tinderbox note for this says "clean up history panel, add new download panel." That almost made me think we were getting a Downloads tab in the sidebar ... which would be great.

Anyhow, anyone know the details?

Art Vandelay · Dec 5, 2002, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Montanan:

The Tinderbox note for this says "clean up history panel, add new download panel." That almost made me think we were getting a Downloads tab in the sidebar ... which would be great.

Anyhow, anyone know the details?

If you look at the files that are being modified, you'll see it's in the preferences, not the sidebar. One of the modified files is mozilla/ chimera/ PreferencePanes/ Navigation/ English.lproj/ Navigation.nib/ objects.nib. So, it will be under the Navigation prefpane.

Montanan · Dec 5, 2002, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:

If you look at the files that are being modified, you'll see it's in the preferences, not the sidebar. One of the modified files is mozilla/ chimera/ PreferencePanes/ Navigation/ English.lproj/ Navigation.nib/ objects.nib. So, it will be under the Navigation prefpane.

Ahh ... of course. Thanks for the clarification!

Even if it's just a prefpane improvement, it'll still make me happy ...

foamy · Dec 5, 2002, 05:05 PM

I just ran into this over in a Phoenix Thread at mozillazine.org. Try adding this to your user.js file.

user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);

This sets the time, in milliseconds, for the intial screen draw. The default is 1200ms. I experimented with other times, and setting it to 100 seems to make Chimera feel even faster.

Can anyone confirm this?

Jim Paradise · Dec 5, 2002, 07:22 PM

Bah..... I dunno why but it's the first time I'm having problems with the nightlies and this. I'm getting the old problem of IE taking control of my Internet settings as the default in the System Prefs. Mozilla and OmniWeb will both stick but not the 12/3 build. Any reason for this?

Art Vandelay · Dec 5, 2002, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
Bah..... I dunno why but it's the first time I'm having problems with the nightlies and this. I'm getting the old problem of IE taking control of my Internet settings as the default in the System Prefs. Mozilla and OmniWeb will both stick but not the 12/3 build. Any reason for this?

The LaunchServices caches sometimes get corrupted. Do the following:

# Sometimes, on Mac OS 10.2 (Jaguar), Navigator won't stick as your default browser. If you have this problem, try removing the following files:
~/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.UserCache.csstore (where ~ is your Home directory)
/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.LocalCache.csstore
and reboot your machine.

bhenry · Dec 6, 2002, 12:08 PM

Just got the 12/6 nightly - I don't see a pref pane addition?

Anyone else see it?

Originally posted by Montanan:

Ahh ... of course. Thanks for the clarification!

Even if it's just a prefpane improvement, it'll still make me happy ...

sdagley · Dec 6, 2002, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by bhenry:
Just got the 12/6 nightly - I don't see a pref pane addition?

It's a new tab in the Navigation pref pane.

gorickey · Dec 6, 2002, 12:43 PM

Nice addition. Now if only we could get a rounded URL box default, that would be great!

michael_l · Dec 6, 2002, 01:36 PM

OK, I've dumped mozilla in favour of chimera. Apologies if this has been covered in one of the zillion other chimera threads, but how do I get it to open pdf files via preview instead of acrobat reader? I've set preview as the default app for pdf files, so I would have expected this to work automatically, but it doesn't ...

swiz · Dec 6, 2002, 01:43 PM

For those who dont know:

Hold command and click the toolbar shrink button. Do it a couple times to achieve your desired setup.

sdagley · Dec 6, 2002, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by michael_l:
... how do I get it to open pdf files via preview instead of acrobat reader? I've set preview as the default app for pdf files, so I would have expected this to work automatically, but it doesn't ...

This should work as of today's (12/06/02) build. If it doesn't the OS doesn't think you've really set Preview as the default app for PDF files. And why aren't you using the PDF Browser Plugin?

See http://www.schubert-it.com/plugin/ for info if you haven't heard of it before.

gorickey · Dec 6, 2002, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by swiz:
For those who dont know:

Hold command and click the toolbar shrink button. Do it a couple times to achieve your desired setup.

Damn cool, thanks for the heads up....

michael_l · Dec 6, 2002, 02:51 PM

This should work as of today's (12/06/02) build. If it doesn't the OS doesn't think you've really set Preview as the default app for PDF files.

Hmmm ... that's odd. I'm using today's build (2002120604), and double-clicking on the downloaded file opens it under preview, but still chimera insists on acrobat. I deleted my user.js and prefs.js just to be on the safe side, but no change. So are the OS and chimera looking at different things - i.e. mime type vs. filename extension - to determine the default app?

foamy · Dec 6, 2002, 03:22 PM

I have the opposite problem. If I double click on a .pdf it opens in Acrobat Reader, but if I download one in Chimera, it opens in that POS known as Preview 2.0.

Art Vandelay · Dec 6, 2002, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by swiz:
For those who dont know:

Hold command and click the toolbar shrink button. Do it a couple times to achieve your desired setup.

You can also Control-Click on the toolbar to bring up a contextual menu giving you all the various options.

Macanoid · Dec 6, 2002, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by foamy:
I just ran into this over in a Phoenix Thread at mozillazine.org. Try adding this to your user.js file.

user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);

This sets the time, in milliseconds, for the intial screen draw. The default is 1200ms. I experimented with other times, and setting it to 100 seems to make Chimera feel even faster.

Can anyone confirm this?

Has anyone tried this yet??

Jim Paradise · Dec 6, 2002, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:

The LaunchServices caches sometimes get corrupted. Do the following:

# Sometimes, on Mac OS 10.2 (Jaguar), Navigator won't stick as your default browser. If you have this problem, try removing the following files:
~/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.UserCache.csstore (where ~ is your Home directory)
/Library/Caches/com.apple.LaunchServices.LocalCache.csstore
and reboot your machine.

Thanks. That worked like a charm.

Art Vandelay · Dec 7, 2002, 12:20 AM

They're adding Rendezvous support to Chimera for Mac OS X 10.2.3 and later for tomorrow's build. The comments note that it is a work-in-progress.

Interesting.

Producer · Dec 7, 2002, 02:00 AM

Rendezvous support ? what will they do with that?

Thinine · Dec 7, 2002, 03:54 AM

Apparently, for finding local HTTP, HTTPS, and FTP servers without the need for DNS or something. I guess we'll see when 10.2.3 comes out.

JLL · Dec 7, 2002, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Producer:
Rendezvous support ? what will they do with that?

You can type rendezvousname.local in the location field to access web pages on your local network.