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Jul 19, 2022, 11:07 PM
 
Finally saw it.

Since I never got through the book I had this odd sensation I was seeing a remake of the Lynch movie.
     
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Jul 20, 2022, 02:26 AM
 
Things which were superior in the Lynch version:

The jell-o cube shields.
The hunter-seeker. Isn’t “hunter-seeker” redundant?
Some (but not all) of the costume design.
Some (but not all) of the production design.
If we limit it to the first scene, the Navigators.
     
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Jul 20, 2022, 10:51 PM
 
Nothing. The answer is nothing.

See it in imax? I caught it at one of those true laser theatres (there’s only a handful in Canada) and got seats right in the sweet spot. Entire field of vision was covered, it was almost overwhelming. Incredible
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 12:54 AM
 
I thought about mentioning Duncan Donuts. Then about swimming pool dunc-ing.

Your title has been fixed. I'll show myself out now, as I haven't seen the movie.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 01:29 AM
 
Did you see the Lynch version?


Edit: it will always be Dunc to me.
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Jul 21, 2022, 03:57 AM
 
This movie made me soooo happy.

I gobbled up the books up to Chapterhouse as a kid, and this is the way I wanted the movie made. Can’t wait for the second half.

The Lynch movie is pretty awesome, but you have to see it as „inspired by Frank Herbert’s Dune“.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 06:35 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Did you see the Lynch version?
Quite a long time ago. Read the books even farther back.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 02:07 PM
 
Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
Quite a long time ago.
It’s like that, but with less BSDM, and fewer pustules.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 05:30 PM
 
It was beautiful, but could have been edited down a half hour. Perhaps 20 minutes less of staring into the distance mournfully.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 05:44 PM
 
The ornithopter spinning in the sandstorm was one of those scenes. “Let go… use the force, Luke”. Yeah, we get it.

Also, the dragonfly ornithopters are a neat idea, but I really feel they should have been more ponderous.



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could have been edited down
This is how I feel about Frank Herbert.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 06:17 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
The ornithopter spinning in the sandstorm was one of those scenes. “Let go… use the force, Luke”. Yeah, we get it.

Also, the dragonfly ornithopters are a neat idea, but I really feel they should have been more ponderous.
They're not a "neat idea"; they're in the fucking books.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 06:25 PM
 
Well, then perhaps he shouldn’t have used the prefix meaning “of or pertaining to birds”.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 06:37 PM
 
Entomopter.

The term "ornithopter" didn't originate with Herbert, btw. It described any flappy-winged mechanical flying thingum.
     
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Jul 21, 2022, 06:51 PM
 
That’s what they were called in the book? I didn’t get through it, but I remember ornithopter.
     
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Jul 22, 2022, 08:34 AM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
It was beautiful, but could have been edited down a half hour. Perhaps 20 minutes less of staring into the distance mournfully.
^^^
And maybe cut out 16 of the 22 identical dream sequences of Zendaya.
     
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Jul 22, 2022, 09:10 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
That’s what they were called in the book? I didn’t get through it, but I remember ornithopter.
Yep. The word predates Herbert.
     
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Jul 22, 2022, 12:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
The word predates Herbert.
I never said it didn’t.

What I said is the prefix “ornith-“ makes me think birds, not insects, because “of or pertaining to birds” is what the prefix means.
     
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Jul 22, 2022, 12:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
I never said it didn’t.

What I said is the prefix “ornith-“ makes me think birds, not insects, because “of or pertaining to birds” is what the prefix means.
which is why I replied with "Entomopter".
     
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Jul 22, 2022, 12:48 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
which is why I replied with "Entomopter".
You can use that word in your book then.

The word Herbert used in his book was “ornithopter”, which makes me think birds, because that’s what it means.
     
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Jul 22, 2022, 01:16 PM
 
I haven’t seen the newest movie, but I’m encouraged by what I’ve heard.

I read the original novel a very long time ago. I had high hopes about the Lynch film. It wasn’t “the book,” but it was an enjoyable treatment.

I’ll also point out that I have NOT read any of the subsequent novels. Looking at synopses, I would probably be disappointed in the story content, even if there was plenty of back story and history to explain parts of the original novel that could benefit from that.

Glenn -----OTR/L, MOT, Tx
     
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Jul 22, 2022, 01:49 PM
 
I'm with Glen. I rather liked the 1st book, but wasn't as much into the later ones. Which did fill out the universe, both backwards and forwards. But now I remember the story as a block.
     
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Jul 22, 2022, 03:27 PM
 
I know I’ve mentioned it before, what caught my fancy far more than anything else was the Dune Encyclopedia. All the history and worldbuilding, with no plot to get in the way.

Herbert ended up steamrollering much of it, which is a pity. It was better than the stuff he came up with.


As for the movies, I still feel like they’re close enough to each other I’m not seeing how one is this big divergence from the book while the other isn’t. I mean, less BSDM and pustules, and the sand worms look less like a dong, but they’re both telling the same story. To be fair, I’m guessing there’s more divergence with the second half of Lynch’s movie.
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Jul 22, 2022, 05:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
I’ll also point out that I have NOT read any of the subsequent novels.
According to the Dune Encyclopedia, Paul’s son is half-man, half-worm, and becomes God-Emperor of the universe for 30,000 years.

Cool idea at least.
     
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Jul 23, 2022, 05:21 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
As for the movies, I still feel like they’re close enough to each other I’m not seeing how one is this big divergence from the book while the other isn’t. I mean, less BSDM and pustules, and the sand worms look less like a dong, but they’re both telling the same story. To be fair, I’m guessing there’s more divergence with the second half of Lynch’s movie.
Yep. The second half was mostly an '80s action movie loosely based on the Dune characters. Think second half Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy movie. Yeah, it's kinda partly the story somewhere in there, but actually, it's completely missing the point. Still fun.
     
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Jul 23, 2022, 03:54 PM
 
I never saw the Hitchhiker’s movie due to hearing nothing good.
     
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Jul 23, 2022, 08:43 PM
 
despite getting so much right, they got so much wrong.
marvin, despite being voiced by alan rickman, looked too cute.
     
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Jul 23, 2022, 09:30 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
despite getting so much right, they got so much wrong.
marvin, despite being voiced by alan rickman, looked too cute.
Yes, absolutely.

I really despised how they desperately shoehorned a story arc into the second half, despite the whole point of the original trilogy being that there wasn't one.

Or rather, the arcs that Adams built into the coda (with Fenchurch and Agrajag) were not used in the film.

Still, I thought the Vogons were spot-on, and I enjoyed Malkovich's performance.
     
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Jul 23, 2022, 09:31 PM
 
And even without seeing it I imagine Stephen Fry is perfect.
     
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Jul 24, 2022, 09:12 AM
 
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I never saw the Hitchhiker’s movie due to hearing nothing good.
There is only the BBC tv series. Period.
     
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Jul 24, 2022, 01:45 PM
 
Which I loved!

Also loved the Infocom game, but that was pretty brutal.



Edit: best Infocom game? I know people say Planetfall, but it’s totally Suspended. That setup works best with the “Groundhog Day” nature of Infocom games.
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Jul 24, 2022, 08:50 PM
 
How long did you spend trying to make tea. My friend and I spent forever.

We also liked the labyrinth infocom game, IIRC. Adumbrate Jareth!
     
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Jul 24, 2022, 09:03 PM
 
The whole game?

I don’t think I ever made it. I had a friend who did though.
     
   
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