[Demonhood]

Image: 140 pixels wide maximum. 40 pixels high maximum. Not animated. 10KB or less.



This is a slight increase in dimensions over the old guidelines.

Text: No more than 4 lines of text. Or no more than one image and 2 lines of text. Yes, it's difficult to tell "lines" with browser window sizes and all, but no huge paragraphs of text in your sigs please.

Overall: These guidelines exist to make browsing the boards enjoyable for everybody. The filesize restrictions make modem users happy. The dimension restrictions make everyone else happy. I want to read the text of a post, not have to scroll past the same old 400x400 sig image everytime some user posts. Animated sigs are distracting and also not allowed.

If your image is outside our new restrictions, we'll send you a warning (although we'd all prefer if you'd change it on your own after reading this). Check your Private Messages and registered email address often if you think your signature may be outside our parameters. If you're not sure if your sig violates our Terms of Service (the restrictions above as well as it being decent), then ask us. It's that easy.

[Father OCN]

So mine's to big? And ladies settle down, i'm asking about my signature.

[Vole]

ha ha nuibi is gonna be so pissed!!

Hey wait a...

[Demonhood]

yes, both of the above are violations. father OCN's less so, of course. you could shrink the current one down or turn it sideways and shrink it less.

vole/mole, enough of the huge sigs. change it already.

[Niubi]

I am pretty pissed as mle said...sacrilige of my Art..I am an Arteeste!!!!

aNyway...just to be perverse..I'm keeping it 7 pixels wider then allowed

7 pixels....is it a crime?

[JLFanboy]

So mine's to big? And ladies settle down, i'm asking about my signature.

Seriously, how many "ladies" do you think are actually reading this board? Why can't people seem to remember that we're all just a bunch of computer geeks with nothing better to do than lust after a friggin' COMPUTER company? Get a grip on reality, man.

As for sigs, the pictures are really starting to get to me. As far as I'm concerned the best sigs are always a simple quote. That's just my opinion, though.

Those guidelines for pictures seems to be quite adequate, however.

[Niubi]

I buggered up the earlier post...just testing again...

[Niubi]

One more try...maybe it's just my cache..??

hey I chose Niubi as a name for a reason!

[Niubi]

Yeah! It Works now..... is that safe and sound with you demonhood?

[nonhuman]

But I liked my old sig...

[gorgonzola]

7 pixels over, 8 pixels over -- it sounds like not much at all, but we have to draw the line somewhere, and this is where we're drawing the line: at 140x40.

Everyone gets one warning, and then the sig will be changed by an administrator. If it is changed back, the signature will be removed and the profile locked (i.e. you can't change any profile information further).

Most people are really quite cooperative about this, but since there are always a few bad apples in a bunch, we felt it best to lay out our policy clearly from the start.

[mr_sonicblue]

I dunno if my old sig was too big or not...time for a new one anyways

[shmerek]

hmmm....

[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: shmerek ]

[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: shmerek ]

[MacmanX]

And other languages?

[Lerkfish]

hm...unintentionally I was already in compliance....wow, how did THAT happen?

[Vole]

That's ok there are being lots of rodent names. But I guess to be being a decent guy I could make it smaller.

If we have been learning anything from Ca$h it is that banning is not making anyone go away.

[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: Vole ]

[Rodent]

That is being more like it!

[MoleVole]

Banned? Someone must have forgotten to tell me! Jebus I did not know that there was an admin out there who still was thinking that IP blocks work.

Did ca$h teach us nothing?

[ 11-08-2001: Message edited by: MoleVole ]

[Father OCN]

Originally posted by JLFanboy:
<STRONG>

Seriously, how many "ladies" do you think are actually reading this board? Why can't people seem to remember that we're all just a bunch of computer geeks with nothing better to do than lust after a friggin' COMPUTER company? Get a grip on reality, man.

As for sigs, the pictures are really starting to get to me. As far as I'm concerned the best sigs are always a simple quote. That's just my opinion, though.

Those guidelines for pictures seems to be quite adequate, however.</STRONG>

Well, then that's what I'm proud about, OCN has women on it's board. I hope you weren't speaking for everyone here. Hate to see you stick your food in your mouth buddy.

[M0L3]

Even if there are not being that many women on this board father we are having enough sissies to make up for it! Our girly men can be matching your "real" girls any day of the week bubba!

Come on let me at them!

But if I break a nail in a cat fight the whole thing is just being over then and there 'k?

[Father OCN]

Originally posted by M0L3:
<STRONG>Even if there are not being that many women on this board father we are having enough sissies to make up for it! Our girly men can be matching your "real" girls any day of the week bubba!

Come on let me at them!

But if I break a nail in a cat fight the whole thing is just being over then and there 'k?</STRONG>

No comment from the peanut gallery.

[Retrograde]

Damn, and I only just made mine: 150x50!!

But, mine is under 5 kilobytes as opposed to 10, so...

[Retrograde]

There! That ought to fix it

Don't want to stray too far from the law now...

[Nebagakid]

How 'bout mine:

[rjenkinson]

or mine?

-r.

[scottiB]

LOL!

[Sine]

All the sigs should be stored in the cache anyhow.. I don't know what the big deal is. Buncha sig nazis

[cheerios]

Originally posted by JLFanboy:
<STRONG>

Seriously, how many "ladies" do you think are actually reading this board? Why can't people seem to remember that we're all just a bunch of computer geeks with nothing better to do than lust after a friggin' COMPUTER company? Get a grip on reality, man.

As for sigs, the pictures are really starting to get to me. As far as I'm concerned the best sigs are always a simple quote. That's just my opinion, though.

Those guidelines for pictures seems to be quite adequate, however.</STRONG>

Hmmm... I was a girl last time I checked... i assume I fit into the category "ladies"... As for lusting after comp companies... well, I truly don't wanna know what you do with your spare time..

[JLFanboy]

To those people who've taken issue with my response a few days ago, I'm sorry. After reading it again I realize that this was not the kind of message that I was trying to send. I think it's fantastic that there IS a significant amount of men AND women on these boards. I say, if you like Mac, there's no reason you can't post on a Mac board.

When I wrote that message I was mainly blowing off some steam in regards to the "relax, ladies, I'm talking about my sig" quote. I've never been able to put up with those kind of comments. The only guys I know who say things like that are hopeless schmoes who think making VERY thinly veiled comments about their genitalia is a way to get people to like them and think that they're "cool." I pray for the day when these kind of comments will finally die out.

Anyway, I am really sorry about the way my post sounded. I hope you all will understand.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by nonhuman:
<STRONG>But I liked my old sig...</STRONG>

AWESOME SIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[malson]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
<STRONG>
AWESOME SIG!

</STRONG>

Of course, your sig doesn't fit the "pic and 2 lines of text" guideline now does it?

This is rediculous...

[Mediaman_12]

I'll try and show off my new sig (this better work!).

[parallax]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
<STRONG>The dimension restrictions make everyone else happy. I want to read the text of a post, not have to scroll past the same old 400x400 sig image everytime some user posts. Animated sigs are distracting and also not allowed.</STRONG>

Originally posted by Sine:
<STRONG>All the sigs should be stored in the cache anyhow.. I don't know what the big deal is. Buncha sig nazis </STRONG>

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[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Mods. You have done a poor job of enforcing these new sig guidelines. As I remember you only removed ONE persons sig and it was only 6k and not even that big.

Guess you are not playing favorites are you.

Not that I care but it makes you look like hypocrites.

[johnny_hotrod]

OK. My sig was too large, and now I can't access it. It is grayed out in y profile. How can I get it back???

[FulcrumPilot]

ok I conform! (almost)

[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: FulcrumPilot ]

[scaught]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
<STRONG>Mods. You have done a poor job of enforcing these new sig guidelines. As I remember you only removed ONE persons sig and it was only 6k and not even that big.

Guess you are not playing favorites are you.

Not that I care but it makes you look like hypocrites.</STRONG>

letsee. last figure i heard a couple years ago there was approximately 16,000 users on the macnn messageboards (this was about 6 months ago). im sure the dozen or so mods (who volunteer their time) are perfectly able to enforce this rule to all those users. maybe they need to work some OT or something, huh?

[MikeM32]

Okay I conform as-well here's my new signature (in case your'e wondering it's the Sistine Chapel Cieling scaled down to 1 pixel x 1 pixel)

Mike

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[scaught]

Originally posted by MikeM32:
<STRONG>Okay I conform as-well here's my new signature (in case your'e wondering it's the Sistine Chapel Cieling scaled down to 1 pixel x 1 pixel)

Mike

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wow! i made that my new desktop! it looks a little pixelated though...hmm..

[AlbertWu]

my signature is too large, yet is reasonable. under a kilobyte, not animated, etc


why are the guidelines so strict? I have no idea

[edddeduck]

Min sig cool right

Chjeers Edd

[anarkisst]

Oh my God...this is the slowest thread in existence...and another piece of advice...try not to link your images from your lame Yahoo, Excite, Xoom, Geocities, Mac or other bandwidth weak provider...get your own domain...

[Sine]

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[m a d r a]

Text: No more than 4 lines of text.............

fair enough

Or no more than one image and 2 lines of text..........

yup!

The filesize restrictions make modem users happy......

as a modem user i find the huge 1280x960 screeshots that people post slightly more of a pain to d/load than the average sig. perhaps a policy of linking to any graphic larger than 640x480 might be more useful?

The dimension restrictions make everyone else happy......

as can be seen from all the posts complaining about them

I want to read the text of a post, not have to scroll past the same old 400x400 sig image everytime some user posts.....

why such an arbitrary width restriction then? it doesn't take any longer to scroll past a 300x40 sig than a 140x40 sig. [tho' obviously you need some width restriction as a 1000 pixel wide sig f**ks up the formatting of the text in the posts]

Animated sigs are distracting and also not allowed....

that's pretty subjective isn't it? maybe the rest of us can cope with reading on a screen while other things are animating. you can walk and chew gum at the same time, can't you?

[Demonhood]

This is an image of the old regulations inlayed within the new one. As you can see, the new regulations are a fair bit larger. No one seemed to notice this. People instead decided to attack me for "taking away their freedoms." It was partly my idea to increase the accepted dimensions. Some sig images had been getting out of control, so I threw this thread up to clarify what our position was. Nevermind that everyone glosses over the fact that it's bigger than Misha's stipulated size. When Misha instituted the 35x110 regulation, only a few people complained. You know why? Because he had shut off sig images for a few weeks (might have been a month, i forget) due to abuse. People were happy to get the ability back, they didn't worry as much about the size restrictions. But now we're all a bit spoiled, aren't we.

No matter what the size restrictions are, some people will complain. Why? Because they like to complain. They like to "fight the power" in the name of their constitutional right to do whatever they damn well please. This is not to say everyone that complains about this is believes that. There are many well reasoned responses above. But even if I changed the restrictions to 100x500 tomorrow, someone would scream out "censorhip! let the sigs be free! you dirty nazi!" That's another thing. Those that lump the pixel restrictions of their forum signature image in with the same category as the slaughter of millions of people aren't helping their cause. I find it offensive and absurd. We ask people politely to change their sigs if we find them outside the acceptable range (or indecent). Yet people still cry fowl and reserve their right to post any image they want to. You know what, you don't have that right. We've been pretty nice about all this. Some of you have just blown it out of proportions in an attempt to cause a fuss and draw attention to yourself. Cuz hey, who doesn't want to be a "fight the power" rebel?

We might change the pixel restrictions in the near future. We've been debating it for some time now. In the meantime, here are some hard and fast rules for you to ponder:

1) height is definitely more important than width. if we changed anything, it'd be the width restrictions.
2) the less than 10k rule isn't going to change. despite what some would have you believe, they don't stay in cache forever. some of us do a lot of web browsing, thereby displacing the old cache with new material.
3) animated is never going to be allowed. it is visually distracting. i'm here for the text of the messages on the boards. anything else is extraneous.
4) if someone posts an inline image (not in their sig) that's too big, we typically ask them to make it a thumbnail or just a link. this is both in consideration for modem users, and to make sure the image doesn't prop the window open.
5) there's nothing wrong with size restrictions. if you can't figure out something to put into a 40x140 box, then put some text in your sig instead.
6) if we don't have rules about dimensions, then whenever a user is asked to change his/her sig image, they'll say "hey, username29188 didn't get asked! his is huge and ugly!" that'll only perpetuate the idea that favoritism is in play. btw, there is no favoritism in this at all. people who were asked to change their sig were asked because we noticed their image and realized it was out of bounds. some people were asked several times and still did not comply. then they turn around and call me a nazi for politely asking them and not locking their profile. fair huh.

Let me know if you have any questions/concerns.

[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: Demonhood ]

[sek929]

Much love Demonhood..... god knows I couldn't deal with these morons in the fair and timely manner you do. Nothing seems to please them or awaken them to the fact that this is a privately owned and operated Bulletin Board. They have no "rights" here.

The current size is more than enough space to create a distinct and individual image. If you can't create anything good in a small space then I'm willing to bet anything you create in a larger space is going to suck ass as well.

[m a d r a]

demonhod

one word: humour.

if you read the a lot of the posts or look at the sig images you alluded to with the"slaughter of millions of people" comment you might find that several people's tongues are firmly in their cheeks on this subject. i know i personally don't give a f**k whether we have sigs or not. it's just a not very sensible argument i contributed to. chill out!

sek929

there isn't much happening in the mac world these days. that's why the lounge is taking a hell of a lot more hits than usual. people haven't really anything sensible to discuss but are just 'dropping in' out of habit having an argument a debate and/or a laugh with fellow MACNN members.

it is this 'dropping in' out of habit rather than necessity that keeps the sufficient hits coming in which in turn allows MACNN to sell the [larger than 140x40 and animated!] banner ads which adorn every page and bring in the money.

perhaps you should ponder this before before you go too far down the "you should be grateful to be allowed in here" path.

[Father OCN]

Originally posted by sek929:
<STRONG>Much love Demonhood..... god knows I couldn't deal with these morons in the fair and timely manner you do. Nothing seems to please them or awaken them to the fact that this is a privately owned and operated Bulletin Board. They have no "rights" here.

The current size is more than enough space to create a distinct and individual image. If you can't create anything good in a small space then I'm willing to bet anything you create in a larger space is going to suck ass as well.</STRONG>

Here Here!!!! Tell them who's boss!!

[cheerios]

Father OCN, love the 2nd part of your sig... props to the original author.

Demonhood... just remember we all love you!!

[Father OCN]

Originally posted by cheerios:
<STRONG>Father OCN, love the 2nd part of your sig... props to the original author.

Demonhood... just remember we all love you!! </STRONG>

I think I'm in love!