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Krypton · Dec 21, 2004, 04:51 PM

No doubt just as sucky as the last version, but it's out and about

osxisfun · Dec 21, 2004, 04:58 PM

i read on versiontracker that people are claiming a big speed up.

still not using it though.

if adobe's job is to turn acrobat into PC looking program...

mission accomplished.

Krypton · Dec 21, 2004, 05:02 PM

Woah! This is actually usable!

Re-launch took about 5 seconds on a G3 350, massive improvement over the previous matter of minutes.

OptimusG4 · Dec 21, 2004, 05:39 PM

They finally made a pdf plugin for web browsers but I still prefer PDFPlugin, much nicer interface.

Krypton · Dec 21, 2004, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
They finally made a pdf plugin for web browsers but I still prefer PDFPlugin, much nicer interface.

Wowzer, they really have gone to town

I shall be installing this for my parents, as they got extremely confused by the Shubert plug-in, it fitting in with Safari's look and feel so well (the Adobe one has a very explicit 'Save this copy' button).

ManOfSteal · Dec 21, 2004, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
They finally made a pdf plugin for web browsers but I still prefer PDFPlugin, much nicer interface.

Veeeeerrrrryyyyy nice.

Twilly Spree · Dec 21, 2004, 07:59 PM

Screenshots? (of interface)

Mrjinglesusa · Dec 21, 2004, 08:26 PM

Holy crap is this thing fast. Launches in less than 3 bounces. Quick scrolling too. Good job Adobe.

fortepianissimo · Dec 21, 2004, 08:51 PM

Hm... every time it starts it wants to do some kind of "optimization" (from some company called "Netosystem" - spelling may be wrong). The process takes about 30-40 seconds on my PB 1Ghz.

Am I missing something here?

Art Vandelay · Dec 21, 2004, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
Hm... every time it starts it wants to do some kind of "optimization" (from some company called "Netosystem" - spelling may be wrong). The process takes about 30-40 seconds on my PB 1Ghz.

Am I missing something here?

That's the installer. Delete it. The real app is in your Applications folder. Adobe didn't make that obvious by naming the installer the same as the installed app.

fortepianissimo · Dec 21, 2004, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
That's the installer. Delete it. The real app is in your Applications folder. Adobe didn't make that obvious by naming the installer the same as the installed app.

Ah - thanks a lot. I just found i have now 4 Adobe Readers in my Applications.

gator · Dec 21, 2004, 11:15 PM

Nice work Adobe!

Kinda. So, I can't use the plugin in Firefox. I know the Readme says:

Mac OS X v.10.3.x and Safari 1.2.2 are required to use Adobe Reader in a browser window.

Regardless, anyone having trouble with, and or tried to get it to work in Firefox? I tried to manually write something into pluginreg.dat, but that just gets overwritten on Firefox launch... I guess it's reading information from somewhere else.

ManOfSteal · Dec 21, 2004, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by gator:
Regardless, anyone having trouble with, and or tried to get it to work in Firefox? I tried to manually write something into pluginreg.dat, but that just gets overwritten on Firefox launch... I guess it's reading information from somewhere else.

It installed some "Safari specific" frameworks (inside of Safari) for this feature in order to work...it's not going to work for any other browser I'm afraid.

mania · Dec 21, 2004, 11:44 PM

its way fast - 6 was way slow - its night and day - download now

osxisfun · Dec 21, 2004, 11:58 PM

have they changed the interface for the better/

I don't want to install all its related stuff unless it does. don't really need anymore than Preview app/

wataru · Dec 22, 2004, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by ManOfSteal:
It installed some "Safari specific" frameworks (inside of Safari) for this feature in order to work...it's not going to work for any other browser I'm afraid.

That's obnoxious and unnecessary. I'll stick with the Schubert plugin.

OptimusG4 · Dec 22, 2004, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by wataru:
That's obnoxious and unnecessary. I'll stick with the Schubert plugin.

Goldfinger · Dec 22, 2004, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by wataru:
That's obnoxious and unnecessary. I'll stick with the Schubert plugin.

Is it possible that the Shubert plugin is broken with Camino ? 2.1 works for me in Safari and Firefox but not in Camino, version 1.1.1 worked perfectly. Now when I click a link to a pdf it justs downloads to disk. Do have to manually set something in order for it to work ?

Chris O'Brien · Dec 22, 2004, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
That's obnoxious and unnecessary. I'll stick with the Schubert plugin.

Yup. I'm sticking with it too.

kcmac · Dec 22, 2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by ManOfSteal:
It installed some "Safari specific" frameworks (inside of Safari) for this feature in order to work...it's not going to work for any other browser I'm afraid.

If I am already using the Shubert plug in, does the Adobe one override it? I haven't found anything to download yet to see what happens.

This new Reader is much better regarding speed.

workerbee · Dec 22, 2004, 02:46 PM

Nice and fast so far.... but also the first app (that I know of) with built-in advertising: the "Adobe Reader" button at the right of the menu bar just changed into a red "Try Acrobat for Free" button

(If this bothers you: try dragging all the toolbar elements outside of the toolbar, and than after the fixed toolbar has disappeared, back into it).

mikelauder · Dec 22, 2004, 06:15 PM

Yeah, this is the best version of Adobe Reader so far for OSX. It loads fast and scrolls nicely. Also, unlike Preview, you get all the features that go along with modern PDF's.

Just to let you know, you can turn off the adverts in the prefrences. In startup deselect 'Show messages and automatically update'. Strange name I know but then again if you were trying to sell something you wouldn't make it that obvious how to turn the ads off.

CaptainHaddock · Dec 22, 2004, 07:45 PM

I just wanted to put in a plug for PDFpen (smileonmymac.com). In addition to being a pretty good PDF viewer, it lets you add text and images to an existing PDF, and you can even insert new pages quickly into an existing document. This can be a *huge* time saver if you create massive image and text-intensive PDFs in InDesign and need to make minor changes from time to time.

Toyin · Dec 22, 2004, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by kcmac:
If I am already using the Shubert plug in, does the Adobe one override it? I haven't found anything to download yet to see what happens.

This new Reader is much better regarding speed.

On my installation, Adobe's plug-in overrides Shubert's plug-in. Shubert's plug-in still works in Firefox though. I actually don't mind this set up, because Shubert's plug-in never scrolls (with the scroll wheel) in Safari while Adobe's does.

I wouldn't mind the uninstall directions for the Adobe plug-in, just in case.

Also did this installer ask for a password? How did it change a Safari framework with out permission?

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Dec 22, 2004, 09:30 PM

It launches at least 8 million times faster.

osxisfun · Dec 22, 2004, 09:35 PM

But can it do the Kessel Run in under 12 Parsecs?

OptimusG4 · Dec 22, 2004, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Toyin:
On my installation, Adobe's plug-in overrides Shubert's plug-in. Shubert's plug-in still works in Firefox though. I actually don't mind this set up, because Shubert's plug-in never scrolls (with the scroll wheel) in Safari while Adobe's does.

I wouldn't mind the uninstall directions for the Adobe plug-in, just in case.

Also did this installer ask for a password? How did it change a Safari framework with out permission?

Thats my big beef. I deleted it off the computer and removed the frameworks..not trusting Adobe on this. Also. there is a preference option in Reader to not use it as the reader via web browser.

bborofka · Dec 23, 2004, 01:30 AM

The Reader app renders text worse than Preview and "tears" when you drag the scrollbar.

Will Adobe ever use Quartz for anything?

Kenneth · Dec 23, 2004, 01:37 AM

Kudos for Adobe.

monkeybrain · Dec 23, 2004, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by osxisfun:
But can it do the Kessel Run in under 12 Parsecs?

Nothing can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 Parsecs!

Randman · Dec 23, 2004, 08:06 AM

Considering parsec is a measure of distance not speed, you are correct.

Krusty · Dec 23, 2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Randman:
Considering parsec is a measure of distance not speed, you are correct.

Maybe a kessel run is a time,velocity, or fixed route measurement, then it would make sense (e.g. can you get to 100 mph in less than 100 ft ... or can you pick up 10 cones 6 moves or less. That sorta thing )

Back on topic. Best Reader yet. It's hard to imagine that the originator's of pdf have to play catch-up just to be a contender for best pdf reader. That said, this is a good product. I'm giving the browser plug-in a try but will switch back to schubert if I don't like it.

osxisfun · Dec 23, 2004, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by monkeybrain:
Nothing can do the Kessel Run in less than 12 Parsecs!

I know, that was the debate back then. Lucas wrote it incorrectly.

chabig · Dec 23, 2004, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Toyin:
I wouldn't mind the uninstall directions for the Adobe plug-in, just in case.

Just drag it to the trash. It's located in your Internet Plug-ins folder at:

/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/AdobePDFViewer.plugin

Chris

wataru · Dec 23, 2004, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by ManOfSteal:
It installed some "Safari specific" frameworks (inside of Safari) for this feature in order to work...it's not going to work for any other browser I'm afraid.

Originally posted by chabig:
Just drag it to the trash. It's located in your Internet Plug-ins folder at:

/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/AdobePDFViewer.plugin

Chris

Did you even read the thread?

Person Man · Dec 23, 2004, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Toyin:
Also did this installer ask for a password? How did it change a Safari framework with out permission?

Yes, it asked for a password. I had to enter my Administrator user name and admin password when I ran the installer.

Toyin · Dec 23, 2004, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Person Man:
Yes, it asked for a password. I had to enter my Administrator user name and admin password when I ran the installer.

Hmmm, I don't remember entering one the 1st time. I ran the installer again and it didn't ask me for one.

chabig · Dec 23, 2004, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by wataru:
Did you even read the thread?

Of course. He asked how to uninstall the plug-in, and I answered him.

Also, no frameworks were installed inside of Safari. The frameworks are inside the Adobe Reader package. The reader just put some aliases inside of Safari.

Chris

Toyin · Dec 23, 2004, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by chabig:
Of course. He asked how to uninstall the plug-in, and I answered him.

Also, no frameworks were installed inside of Safari. The frameworks are inside the Adobe Reader package. The reader just put some aliases inside of Safari.

Chris

You're right. Duh! I didn't even look in the plug-ins folder because I thought it had changed some Safari framework. The bottom line is if you remove it and restart Safari, it uses Shubert's plug-in again.

Back to the the reader. Much faster than 6 and almost as fast as Preview. I still prefer preview though. It's simpler and the search function rocks!

Chris Grande · Dec 23, 2004, 06:11 PM

You can just turn it off from inside Acrobat Reader. Go to Preferences -> Internet -> Uncheck Display PDFs in Browser.

Person Man · Dec 23, 2004, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Toyin:
Hmmm, I don't remember entering one the 1st time. I ran the installer again and it didn't ask me for one.

What kind of account did you use to run the application?

I ran it from a regular (non-admin) account. Perhaps that makes a difference.

Toyin · Dec 23, 2004, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Person Man:
What kind of account did you use to run the application?

I ran it from a regular (non-admin) account. Perhaps that makes a difference.

It shouldn't even install on a non-admin account unless it has permission to install applications. I ran it on my main admin account. I just updated my father's powerbook with his main admin account and it didn't ask for a password either. That's pretty upsetting considering it's placing files in the /Application and /Library/Internet Plugins folders. The only other installer that I've noticed this with are the Flash and Shockwave plug-ins. Isn't this a security risk?

kcmac · Dec 23, 2004, 11:31 PM

Installed on my iMac tonight. Didn't ask for my password. Seems like it did the other day on my PB but I can't really remember.

I tried a pdf from Safari and it still used the Schubert plug-in. I quit Safari and restarted it and this time the Reader plug in worked. Don't know if I like it better but it does look a little more like Panther than Schubert does.

All in all, Reader 7 is better than ever.

Devin Lane · Dec 23, 2004, 11:50 PM

Sorry, 30 seconds + freezing Safari while loading the PDFViewer plugin is unacceptable on a Dual 2.0 G5, 2GB ram. Back to the PDF Browser plugin, where loading time == 0.

chabig · Dec 24, 2004, 01:05 PM

Your experience is not typical. You might want to try once more.

threestain · Dec 24, 2004, 02:27 PM

having just used the adobe plug-in I can say its pretty damned good! much nicer interface than the schubert one. interesting to see what the guys there will put out next

badtz · Jan 22, 2005, 03:33 AM

on Adobe Acrobat .... the option to turn off Adobe's PDF plugin is greyed out .... is anyone elses like this?

My impression so far is that Adobe's plugin is better looking (if you turn off the top toolbar and the sidebar) than Schubert's, though the Schubert plugin loads up MUCH faster on my 667mhz Powerbook.

Speaking of the top and side toolbars, is there anyway to keep them from showing up on every new PDF? I want it gone by default.......

?

Le Flaneur · Feb 3, 2005, 03:28 PM

I'm a little disappointed with Reader 7: while obviously faster than 6, it actually launches more slowly than Acrobat 7 Pro! On the first launch, Reader 7 takes 3-4 bounces, but only 1 bounces thereafter. Acrobat 7 Pro takes one bounce on the first try.

Does everyone else notice this as well?

Nebrie · Feb 3, 2005, 08:22 PM

Acrobat 7 launches faster cause the program is preloaded into memory. Kinda annoying that developers are turning to this as a cheap trick.

dylanw · Feb 3, 2005, 08:37 PM

Does anybody else get an error with the Reader plug-in that looks like this?

I get it every time I use it. Safari/Reader actually does show the PDF, but the error sheet is annoying.