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Brit Ben · Jul 12, 2002, 12:50 AM

I'm interested in opinions as to how much people think Apple will charge for this upgrade. I suppose the discussion will inevitably turn to demands for free upgrades, but at least some sensible suggestions will be forthcoming....

I've made it a poll to try and gauge an idea of what is likely.

Ben.

absmiths · Jul 12, 2002, 01:08 AM

Apple needs to follow a sensible upgrade scheme. If any user can purchase a full install of Jaguar or $130, then the upgrade should be at most half of that.

SecretAgentX · Jul 12, 2002, 01:20 AM

Apple will astound the crowd at MWNY stating that it will be a free upgrade. (19.99 for a shipped CD version)

$99.00 for the full version of Jag. that will not inlude Mac OS 9.2.2.

New models will not ship with OS 9.2.2 installed but there will be an install cd included with new computers for a while to appease longtime users. -Classic can confuse new users.

Chuckit · Jul 12, 2002, 04:32 AM

It will be free, with a S&H fee of $150.

But the upgrade will include a free Steve Jobs poster, so all the early adopters will decide it's worth it.

JLFanboy · Jul 12, 2002, 10:31 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> New models will not ship with OS 9.2.2 installed but there will be an install cd included with new computers for a while to appease longtime users. -Classic can confuse new users.
<hr /></blockquote>Until it's possible to get EVERY app that was used in 9 (or at least 99% of them) native for X, I don't think Apple is going to dump Classic. The Classic system is ABSOLUTELY necessary for almost all users. I don't see Classic truly getting dumped for another year or two.

KaptainKaya · Jul 12, 2002, 10:33 AM

Either way, the education version of 10.1 Full install is only $69

But if I have to pay, I could see up to $50 for it, but I hope it wouldn't be of course!

Mac Guru · Jul 12, 2002, 10:45 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Apple will astound the crowd at MWNY stating that it will be a free upgrade. (19.99 for a shipped CD version)
$99.00 for the full version of Jag. that will not inlude Mac OS 9.2.2.
New models will not ship with OS 9.2.2 installed but there will be an install cd included with new computers for a while to appease longtime users. -Classic can confuse new users. <hr /></blockquote>ROFL!!!!! NAIVE!!!! FUNNY!!!! INSANE!!!! STUPID!!!!???????

Apple will NOT ship Mac's without OS 9 for QUITE a while. What you're suggesting is to ship a computer without a compatability layer for applications that are VERY prevalent in our world still! Classic doesn't confuse people, not having it does. Jag will be the same $129 that ALL OS X's are, my guess is the upgrade is going to be in the $20-50 range.

Mac Guru

BrunoBruin · Jul 12, 2002, 11:07 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />ROFL!!!!! NAIVE!!!! FUNNY!!!! INSANE!!!! STUPID!!!!???????<hr /></blockquote>What SecretAgentX said is not naive or stupid. He said 9.2 would be included on a CD if you NEED to install it.

Having OS X and Classic is confusing to new users, who Apple claims to be so intent on courting. I have installed OS X on machines and the questions are endless. "Why do I have apps in two different folders? Why are there two system folders? Can I just combine them? What are these strange files, can I delete them?"

dazzla · Jul 12, 2002, 12:01 PM

Well hopefully my little coupon that came with my newly bought iMac will mean I don't have to pay for an OS upgrade just a few months after purchasing my computer

fmalloy · Jul 12, 2002, 02:30 PM

So suppose that there is some upgrade price to 10.2. So it won't be a full install CD. If we need to reinstall X, how would we do that - install 10.0 followed by 10.2? Do we have to go thru the 10.1 CD first?

I dread having to ever reinstall X - 10.0, then 10.1, followed by all those Software Updates.

I hate this kind of nonsense. I want a full CD I can boot and do a complete install from.

TNproud2b · Jul 12, 2002, 02:42 PM

Perhaps there will be a both an 'upgrade' & a 'full version'.

The 'upgrade' would be at little or no cost, but the 'full version' would command the full price.

'Full version' users wouldn't have to install updates.

Ken_F2 · Jul 12, 2002, 02:53 PM

I say its a $49 upgrade, with a 1-yr subscription to an enhanced .Mac (iTools) service.

BTP · Jul 12, 2002, 03:04 PM

After all the good stuff I have seen, 10.2 will be worth some money.

Upgrade pricing for those that bought new hardware recently, or have coupons etc.

I have no problems paying for something worthwhile.

malvolio · Jul 12, 2002, 04:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JLFanboy:
[QBUntil it's possible to get EVERY app that was used in 9 (or at least 99% of them) native for X, I don't think Apple is going to dump Classic. The Classic system is ABSOLUTELY necessary for almost all users. I don't see Classic truly getting dumped for another year or two.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>I must not be in the "almost all users" group, then. The only reason I need to fire up Classic any more is to view RealMedia files, and I can live quite happily without most of the RealGarbage.
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Mac Guru · Jul 12, 2002, 04:43 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> What SecretAgentX said is not naive or stupid. He said 9.2 would be included on a CD if you NEED to install it.
Having OS X and Classic is confusing to new users, who Apple claims to be so intent on courting. I have installed OS X on machines and the questions are endless. "Why do I have apps in two different folders? Why are there two system folders? Can I just combine them? What are these strange files, can I delete them?" <hr /></blockquote>THINK about what you're saying. You claim that as of the release of Jaguar, Apple will for once do something that they've never really been in favor of, REQUIRING the user to install something to use a feature that is USELESS untill they install it. HOGWASH my friend. Untill the day Apple says OS 9 is 100% DEAD and Classic has been REMOVED from OS X there will not be a Mac around that doesn't come with 9.2.2 installed. I'm sure this sounds wierd to you guys but OS 9 is still being supported (tech wise) by Apple and will be at least in the form of Classic in the future for quite some time. (I called Apple on an OS 9 issue the other day and received support so this IS true)

To sit there and tell me that you THINK OS 9 will NOT be installed on the computer when it is shipped is retarded, not gonna happen period, it IS insane.

Call me what you wish, that's a pipe dream you've got there.

mrtew · Jul 13, 2002, 12:16 AM

I don't see any need for Classic. I mean I still have it on my computer since I am not against it or anything, but I haven't started it up in months. I think Steve already pronounced it dead at the funeral. I sold my old Ti to a girl at work and she asked all those questions about Classic. She just thinks of it as a waste of hard drive space. I'm sure most of us have sentimental feelings about it, but it's really unneccesary now, and I bet Apple will phase it out pretty soon.

I Have Questions · Jul 13, 2002, 01:02 AM

Jag will be a free ($20 S&H) upgrade. Apple needs millions of people to upgrade to OSX in order to continue implementing their corporate strategy. Charging $100 will cause no casual user to upgrade. Remember that most people NEVER upgrade their OS, and certainly not for $100. A very, very small percentage of Mac users are on OSX right now. Apple needs to push the envelope. Hence, it will be free.

Mac Guru · Jul 13, 2002, 09:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I think Steve already pronounced it dead at the funeral. <hr /></blockquote>Steve pronounced 9 dead as far as development is concerned. Apple still provides support even though the support page has gone all OS X, they just do not make anything for it anymore, not a bug patch, not even an applescript. It's not DEAD from a usage standpoint. There is still QUITE an array of software out there that people use on a daily basis, HELL, there's OS X software that has Classic loading installers! Imagine the confusion a new user has when he has his OSX only iMac sitting there and he loads his MacAddict Disc, (which BTW still hosts quite a lot of 9 apps) and he can't USE half the stuff because OS X is popping up some error message saying he has to install another OS to use that application. Apple won't be canning classic for at least another year or two. Now if Steve gets up at MacWorld and says there is no more classic in Jaguar I'll admit I was wrong but untill that day comes I stand where I am, Classic is here and will remain here for a while longer even if a small group of Mac users from a message board don't use it.

Mac Guru

BrunoBruin · Jul 13, 2002, 10:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />THINK about what you're saying. <hr /></blockquote>I didn't say I agreed with SecretAgentX that his scenario WOULD happen; I said that his idea was valid. It's going to happen eventually. I would be glad to save a few bucks on Jaguar if it didn't include a 9.2.2 install CD that I don't need.

My own prediction is that 9 will become strictly an emulation environment, not a bootable system. It will run faster that way, and will be invisible to users who don't need it. What do Sam and Sally Switcher, who come into an Apple Store to buy their first iMac, need with Classic? Trust me, they are not buying it to run Quark.

Apple has to continue to push the adoption of OS X, and that includes pushing straggling developers who don't seem to get it. The way they're going to do it is by, first, dropping 9 from shipping machines, and second, dropping support for 9. And they will do it as quickly as they think they can get away with it.

Babar · Jul 13, 2002, 10:41 AM

Mac Guru is totally right.

We don't care if YOU don't use Classic. Delete it if you want but Apple will still support it for many years to come, a lot of applications still need to be ported to the new OS and some of them will never be.

So please stop saying stupid things like "Apple will dump Classic/9.2 with the release of Jag".

Thank you.