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Logic · Jun 26, 2003, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:

Expos� Extreme!

Hmmmm, serial box. Tsk tsk

Lew · Jun 26, 2003, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:

Originally posted by kman42:
Just to clarify: you mean you can choose NOT to log out, but go to the login screen, thus leaving everything in your account running?

kman

Correct.

Nice! Finally an equivalent to Windows' "Lock Workstation"

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
Hmmmm, serial box. Tsk tsk

Uhm...yeah... that's where I store my serials. Nice interface too

Taipan · Jun 26, 2003, 11:18 AM

Hi!

jguidroz , did you have any problems installing on the G3? We tried it on a G4 accalerated one, but booting the CD stopped with a panic, the error message said something like "unknown Powermac 1,1". I wonder if the G4 changes the Macs ID to something the installer doesn't recognize (yet).

b3b0p · Jun 26, 2003, 11:36 AM

Panther sounds awesome and all but there is still one question that I have unanswered.

Does finder still deposit .DS_Store files every where? I love how it leaves a trail of these nasty buggers on shares across the network. The developers and sysadmins love it

Surely I am not the only person wanting a fix for this?

Chris

raharaha · Jun 26, 2003, 12:20 PM

erik does your illuminated keyboard on your powerbook work, the checkbox on mine is not in the keyboard and mouse settings panel?? please reply

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by raharaha:
erik does your illuminated keyboard on your powerbook work, the checkbox on mine is not in the keyboard and mouse settings panel?? please reply

Yes, it works and it's in Keyboard and Mouse-panel. But I think now that was what caused the insane flickering, cause it's gone after I turned it off.

Mrjinglesusa · Jun 26, 2003, 12:34 PM

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but there is an option in the Classic preference to show Classic status in menu bar. When you do, it is greyed out if not active. The "9" flashes red when starting up and the "9" in the dock icon goes from grey to "filling" yellow. The "9" in the menu bar turns yellow when Classic is running. Better yet, clicking the menu bar icon brings the option to view the OS 9 Apple Menu Items! Sweeeeet....

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but there is an option in the Classic preference to show Classic status in menu bar. When you do, it is greyed out if not active. The "9" flashes red when starting up and the "9" in the dock icon goes from grey to "filling" yellow. The "9" in the menu bar turns yellow when Classic is running. Better yet, clicking the menu bar icon brings the option to view the OS 9 Apple Menu Items! Sweeeeet....

Yeah, I've noticed that. But as I'm not using classic that much I haven't mentioned here yet.

raharaha · Jun 26, 2003, 12:38 PM

um erik question where is it in the keyboard and mouse panel, i'm looking and all i've got is key repeat rate, delay until repeat, and show eject in menu bar under the keybard tab??

lookmark · Jun 26, 2003, 12:38 PM

Very nice.

It looks like Apple has been looking at a bunch of the best 3rd-party system add-ons (LiteSwitch, ClassicSpy menu extra, etc), improved 'em, and absorbed them into the mothership.

Mithras · Jun 26, 2003, 12:43 PM

Erik, do you want to give a try at my question in the other thread (here)?

I'd love to see simultaneous VNC or screencapture use...

King Bob On The Cob · Jun 26, 2003, 12:53 PM

Open/Save dialogs are STILL different between Cocoa and Carbon. Want proof? Select the box with the folders in in in Carbon and hit a letter on the keyboard. Then do the same with Cocoa.
ME-->

<--Apple

benb · Jun 26, 2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but there is an option in the Classic preference to show Classic status in menu bar. When you do, it is greyed out if not active. The "9" flashes red when starting up and the "9" in the dock icon goes from grey to "filling" yellow. The "9" in the menu bar turns yellow when Classic is running. Better yet, clicking the menu bar icon brings the option to view the OS 9 Apple Menu Items! Sweeeeet....

Wow. I might have to re-install classic and QXP4 to check it out. That and the now double buffering of classic windows sounds great. What a geek I am, that I would install classic and QXP even though I have no use for them.

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Mithras:
Erik, do you want to give a try at my question in the other thread (here)?

I'd love to see simultaneous VNC or screencapture use...

Well, I don't really know how to use VPN. Would I need two macs for that? Or could I just connect with any VPN-client?

Anyways, here's a bunch of new screenshots:

GUI for VPN in Internet Connect

Airport Internet Connect

Reserve Battery

Disk Utility S.M.A.R.T. - Like DW3, DU can read the disk's S.M.A.R.T.-info.

DU Journaling - Turn on and off Disk Journaling in Disk Utility

DU Image - Work with images in Disk Utility, include burn

Raharaha, here it is:

Keyboard Illumination

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by King Bob On The Cob:
Open/Save dialogs are STILL different between Cocoa and Carbon. Want proof? Select the box with the folders in in in Carbon and hit a letter on the keyboard. Then do the same with Cocoa.
ME--> <--Apple

True dat. Stupid Apple

Benb: Yeah, who'd thunk that Apple actually would bother to IMPROVE classic in Panther?

Mithras · Jun 26, 2003, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Well, I don't really know how to use VPN. Would I need two macs for that? Or could I just connect with any VPN-client?

Try the second test, it involves no software installation:

1. Log in as one user (say, user1). Set the desktop to something distinctive.
2. 'Fast Switch' to a different user (user2).
3. Turn on the SSH server in Sharing preferences if you haven't already.
4. Open the Terminal as user2. Type
ssh user1@localhost
Log in with user1's password.
Type
screencapture /Users/Shared/mydesk.pdf

Now open up this file (in /Users/Shared/), and see what it contains. Did screencapture run at all? Does the file contain user1's desktop?

If it does, hooray!.

raharaha · Jun 26, 2003, 01:15 PM

uh oh time to reinstall panther, i don't have that section

raharaha · Jun 26, 2003, 01:36 PM

it might not be there because i archived and installed not upgrade, i'll upgrade now

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Mithras:
Now open up this file (in /Users/Shared/), and see what it contains. Did screencapture run at all? Does the file contain user1's desktop?

If it does, hooray!.

Well it doesn't. Myscreen.pdf is a 0 KB file

wulf · Jun 26, 2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Mithras:
Try the second test, it involves no software installation:

1. Log in as one user (say, user1). Set the desktop to something distinctive.
2. 'Fast Switch' to a different user (user2).
3. Turn on the SSH server in Sharing preferences if you haven't already.
4. Open the Terminal as user2. Type
ssh user1@localhost
Log in with user1's password.
Type
screencapture /Users/Shared/mydesk.pdf

Now open up this file (in /Users/Shared/), and see what it contains. Did screencapture run at all? Does the file contain user1's desktop?

The command runs, doesn't return any errors, but the resulting PDF is blank

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by raharaha:
it might not be there because i archived and installed not upgrade, i'll upgrade now

I did too and I still have it. I just can't seem to find any way to fix the display preferences though. I have to re-install as well

moki · Jun 26, 2003, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
In an experiment with making Panther work with day to day work I've installed it for one of our Art Directors who had yet to switch to OS X. (Only one left here now).

So let me get this straight... you're taking a pre-release version of Panther that you obtained illegally, installed it on your computer and are posting reviews/pictures of it here. In addition you're installing it on other people's machines in a corporate environment?

I understand your excitement and enthusiasm, and it is certainly true that people want to read information like this, but installing it on other people's machines in a corporate environment is unwise, and also...

It is just this kind of activity that is going to cause Apple to be reticent to give out developmental copies of their OS to the developers who really need it. That you have Serial Box too... sigh.

conny · Jun 26, 2003, 02:47 PM

Thanks for all the great screenshots Erik. I still have a question that nobody has answered yet. Can you share an addressbook between multiple users? In jaguar you can set the addressbook location using the defaults command. The problem is that when you make changes to the addressbook it set you as the owner and nobody else have any access (not even read). So you need to run a little script when you login to set yourself as the owner of the addressbook. And it's important this happens before you open Mail otherwise Mail won't be able to read your addresses to execute the rules. This all works but is not really an elegant solution.
This will not work in Panther anymore since two users can be logged in at the same time and you can't do the login trick.
So my question is how can you share an addressbok between two users in Panther?

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by moki:
It is just this kind of activity that is going to cause Apple to be reticent to give out developmental copies of their OS to the developers who really need it. That you have Serial Box too... sigh.

So, let me get this straight, I have Serial Box and you automaticly assume I'm a pirate? Why don't you just check up on me in your registration database and find that I'm a registered user of a EV Nova.

I'm a big supporter of shareware and I register all software I use and like. I'm a registered user of VersionTracker, SE Clicker, Proteus (in a few days), DragThing, PlayerPRO and even several OS 9 utilities and games I don't use anymore. I have legitimate copies of the complete Adobe-line, Dreamweaver, Microsoft Office and BBEdit. I also have ADToolkit, Graphic Converter and your very own Snapz Pro X through bundles.

So why do I have SB? For stuff that has unnessecarily crippling demos and when I need to evaluate a product longer than the defined period. Sometimes I open stuff, forget about it and when I want to try it again it has expired.

Yeah I installed Panther on a production machine. There's zero chance of lost data since everything is saved on a server (with daily backups) and I can easily boot it back to OS 9 should it mess up. It's time for the whole department to switch over and Panther needs a guniea pig. And so far it's working out much better than Jaguar for a novice X user, so why not?

ckohler · Jun 26, 2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Work with images in Disk Utility, include burn

Thank you Eric. I was wondering where the ability to burn disk images had gone now that Disc Copy has been removed from the OS.

lookmark · Jun 26, 2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by moki:
So let me get this straight... you're taking a pre-release version of Panther that you obtained illegally, installed it on your computer and are posting reviews/pictures of it here. In addition you're installing it on other people's machines in a corporate environment?

I coun't help but blink at that one as well. I appreciate the review -- it's great -- but I'm not sure that installing Panther in a work environment is all that wise.

I hope at least your art director understands what you're doing, and what she's working with...

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by conny:
Thanks for all the great screenshots Erik. I still have a question that nobody has answered yet. Can you share an addressbook between multiple users?

No easy way as I can see right now. But I'll definitly investigate possibilities. Can't you just set the database so that everybody has read/write access?

gthyb · Jun 26, 2003, 03:13 PM

erik, does "check spelling as i type" work in ichat? i get an error.

milfli · Jun 26, 2003, 03:16 PM

Can you see if the finder records script actions now

go to Applescript Editor click on record, then do something such as open and shut a folder window, then click stop did it type anything in the applescript editor window?

Krypton · Jun 26, 2003, 03:42 PM

Erik, is there anything that makes file sharing more accessible to the average user? I mean as opposed to using drop boxes etc.

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by milfli:
Can you see if the finder records script actions now

go to Applescript Editor click on record, then do something such as open and shut a folder window, then click stop did it type anything in the applescript editor window?

Yup. Already tested this and it works

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Krypton:
Erik, is there anything that makes file sharing more accessible to the average user? I mean as opposed to using drop boxes etc.

I can't see anything obviously new. You can set permissions on any folder you own though.

Deestar · Jun 26, 2003, 04:31 PM

Has the Finder got auto refresh of files or does it still require a click in the window to refresh?

BZ · Jun 26, 2003, 04:42 PM

What about iDisk syncing?

Nobody is talking about it but to me, that is one killer option.

BZ

Betox · Jun 26, 2003, 04:47 PM

Is Brushed Metal the only theme for Mac OS windows???

Can you move the shortcuts on the left of the window: Aplications, Documents, Home, etc. to the top like in Jaguar?

bamburg dunes · Jun 26, 2003, 04:53 PM

Apache? version 2? anyone? is it?

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Deestar:
Has the Finder got auto refresh of files or does it still require a click in the window to refresh?

I'm happy to say that it auto-refreshes the instant you add a file. When I downloaded it showed up simultaneously in Finder and in Safaris download-window

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by bamburg dunes:
Apache? version 2? anyone? is it?

Documentation says 1.3 still

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Betox:
Is Brushed Metal the only theme for Mac OS windows???

Can you move the shortcuts on the left of the window: Aplications, Documents, Home, etc. to the top like in Jaguar?

Yes and Yes. The last has been demonstrated in earlier screenshots in this thread.

Deestar · Jun 26, 2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
I'm happy to say that it auto-refreshes the instant you add a file. When I downloaded it showed up simultaneously in Finder and in Safaris download-window

Thanks Erik, it's a huge annoyance with the current finder.

- - e r i k - - · Jun 26, 2003, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by BZ:
What about iDisk syncing?

Nobody is talking about it but to me, that is one killer option.

BZ

iDisk-syncing I only got to try out once. Browsing was really like browsing my local hard drive both before I synced and after (naturally). But a after that a bug said that the size differed from the local copy and I couldn't access it anymore.

Trying it out now (after turning off syncing) shows that it has erased my entire content. Crap

Oh well, live by the alpha, die by the alpha. This is why they call it the bleeding edge.

bamburg dunes · Jun 26, 2003, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Documentation says 1.3 still

Cheers erik, you must be knackered after all these posts, but thanks for the updates.

OwlBoy · Jun 26, 2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by lookmark:
I coun't help but blink at that one as well. I appreciate the review -- it's great -- but I'm not sure that installing Panther in a work environment is all that wise.

I hope at least your art director understands what you're doing, and what she's working with...

Yeah, I mean its one thing, to poke at it at home. But its another to use it in a workplace like that, even if it is beta/alpha/whatever. Your company could get it a lot of trouble.

-Owl

Michael_Jackson · Jun 26, 2003, 06:22 PM

Erik, or anyone else...

is Disc 2 necessary for installation?

11011001 · 06:37 PM

How do you get the fast switching between users working? I couldn't figure that out..

Panther is a nice OS, needs LOTS of work though (it definetely feels like a beta).

11011001 · Jun 26, 2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Michael_Jackson:
Erik, or anyone else...

is Disc 2 necessary for installation?

eh??

well, you might be able to unselect an options related to it.. like extra applications, printer drivers, extra language support..

foobars · Jun 26, 2003, 06:55 PM

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but one REALLY cool think I've noticed is the improvement of the Installer.app.

Now, you can open multiple packages while they are installing and they will open in seperate windows, once you get to the install part and another install is going, the install will queue up and wait until the other installs are done... VERY cool.

jasong · Jun 26, 2003, 07:06 PM

I also noticed that you can also turn off the Preview Pane in Column View now (completely off, as in it doesn't slide over to show anything).

DrSpookles · Jun 26, 2003, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by bamburg dunes:
Cheers erik, you must be knackered after all these posts, but thanks for the updates.

This can't be said enough. I am loving this thread, and can't wait for Panther to come out based on the information here. Thanks very much.