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Nov 16, 2010, 04:31 PM
 
In other news, as of today... the official Google Voice app is now available on the iOS.

This is a bigger news story in my mind. It was definitely more of a long shot... well, as of a few months ago.
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Nov 16, 2010, 04:39 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
This event, though somewhat underwhelming in its consequences for individual fans, is rather significant: Today marks the end of the traditional record industry.

Pretty much the last of the major hold-outs just folded and relinquished its catalogue to the digital information age.

And because it's the Beatles - a band whose importance to ALL of today's popular music is quite simply impossible to overrate, regardless of whether you personally are able to appreciate them - it's an all the more symbolic event.
I guess one could interpret it that way, but IMO CD was the great digital enabler, with iTunes finishing the job. CDs aren't (generally) DRM'd.

As others have said, I've had The Beatles on iTunes since I started running iTunes. This whole Beatles-isn't-on-the-iTunes-store never really interested me much, except as a spat between two companies with the same name.

More important to me in 2010 is what video is available on iTunes, and how that will affect the future of the digital age. iTunes had long since conquered music. For video it's got a great start, but it's got a long way to go yet.
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Nov 16, 2010, 05:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
This event, though somewhat underwhelming in its consequences for individual fans, is rather significant: Today marks the end of the traditional record industry.
No.
The traditional record industry won't die for another 40 years. Most people 40+ prefer physical copy.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Pretty much the last of the major hold-outs just folded and relinquished its catalogue to the digital information age.
No.
Sgt Pepper's: 32 million.
Back in Black: 49 million.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
And because it's the Beatles - a band whose importance to ALL of today's popular music is quite simply impossible to overrate
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Nov 16, 2010, 05:15 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
No.
For someone in the music biz you are fairly clueless about how massively important the Beatles were to all brands of popular music across the entire world.
     
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Originally Posted by sek929 View Post
For someone in the music biz you are fairly clueless about how massively important the Beatles were to all brands of popular music across the entire world.
I think you'll find that it's you guys who're not in the music biz who're fairly clueless about how massively important the Beatles weren't to all brands of popular music across the entire world.
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Nov 16, 2010, 05:31 PM
 
You're right, they didn't inspire hundreds of musicians across dozens of genres for the last 40 years...silly me in believing a globally accepted fact.
     
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Nov 16, 2010, 05:37 PM
 
They're no Manowar, that's for damn sure...

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Originally Posted by sek929 View Post
You're right, they didn't inspire hundreds of musicians across dozens of genres for the last 40 years...silly me in believing a globally accepted fact.
Dude, I've inspired hundreds of musicians across dozens of genres for the last 20 years. This kind of ability doesn't translate to being "massively important".

Cliff Richard, The Stones and Floyd are far more influential than the Beatles.
But, without any of these artistes the soundscape would be pretty much the same as it is now. It's the mass of smaller bands (the "scenes" - e.g. Kinks, Small Faces groupings) which do the main influencing.
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Nov 16, 2010, 05:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
No.
The traditional record industry won't die for another 40 years. Most people 40+ prefer physical copy.
Oddly, they're just not particularly busy actually buying any.

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No.
Sgt Pepper's: 32 million.
Back in Black: 49 million.
The Beatles: 1 billion
AC/DC: 200 million.

List of best-selling music artists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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Nov 16, 2010, 05:49 PM
 
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They're no Manowar, that's for damn sure...
Too right. Manowar own their entire operation instead of being a company-owned boy band.
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Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Too right. Manowar own their entire operation instead of being a company-owned boy band.
Apple Corps and Apple Records were owned by the Beatles. They WERE the company, and licensed distribution to a large record company.

I'm quite sure Manowar doesn't do their own distro.
     
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Nov 16, 2010, 06:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Oddly, they're just not particularly busy actually buying any.
I don't know whether you've noticed, but the whole world is in a fairly major recession right now. People don't buy stuff when they ain't got money.

Sales are slightly down because the young urbans have moved to digital. I think you'll find that they remain pretty constant now, as the old will continue to buy physical when their favoured artistes release anything.

Take Frodo's Mum. Only 3% of sales were downloads.
Interestingly enough, only 9% of sales for a "young" artiste were downloads.

Stop dreaming Spher - the music biz proper ain't going away any time soon. Aside from a few computer geeks, people actually like possessing physical product.

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So, what you're saying here is that 200 million records isn't enough to qualify as a major artiste holding out against the digital age? You did say that the fab four were the last, no?
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Apple Corps and Apple Records were owned by the Beatles. They WERE the company, and licensed distribution to a large record company.
Tax scam.
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Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
So, what you're saying here is that 200 million records isn't enough to qualify as a major artiste holding out against the digital age? You did say that the fab four were the last, no?
Not quite:

I'm saying that the Beatles are FAR more important, in every single relevant sense, and a MUCH more prominent symbol/signal.

"The last" was hyperbole to make a statement, but not really wrong.

I mean hell, even the BEE GEES outsold AC/DC!
     
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Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Tax scam.
Compared to MANOWAR!?

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Nov 16, 2010, 06:24 PM
 
Wait, Doofy has presented an unpopular opinion and is stubbornly defending it?

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Nov 16, 2010, 06:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Not quite:

I'm saying that the Beatles are FAR more important, in every single relevant sense, and a MUCH more prominent symbol/signal.

"The last" was hyperbole to make a statement, but not really wrong.
Like it or not, yer Oz pub band is a major artiste and they haven't gone download yet.

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I mean hell, even the BEE GEES outsold AC/DC!
Oh come on. Of course the Bee Gees are going to outsell AC/DC - Barry is a very sexy man who epitomised the '70s hairdressing culture. An icon!
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Nov 16, 2010, 06:27 PM
 
AC/DC's reason for not going on the iTunes store is silly.

If they hate singles so much, why do they allow their songs on the radio?

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Wait, Doofy has presented an unpopular opinion and is stubbornly defending it?
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Nov 16, 2010, 07:39 PM
 
Getting back to the issue at hand, Apple-haters will never forget this bit of hype by Apple.
     
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Nov 16, 2010, 10:26 PM
 
You can watch the DC concert on iTunes store
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Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
AC/DC's reason for not going on the iTunes store is silly.

If they hate singles so much, why do they allow their songs on the radio?
Yeah, I read that too. Are there any releases that are completely "album-only"? As much as I like AC/DC (especially the Bon Scott era), I don't think them as a album band like Pink Floyd.
     
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Yeah, I read that too. Are there any releases that are completely "album-only"? As much as I like AC/DC (especially the Bon Scott era), I don't think them as a album band like Pink Floyd.
The only truly ‘album-only’ release that I can think of is Mike Oldfield’s Amarok that contains only one track—which then happens to be exactly 60 minutes long.

(And it’s not even completely true for that, ’cause excerpts from it have been included on other albums)
     
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Nov 17, 2010, 07:13 AM
 
I don't really see why hype it like that.
It was fairly obvious what it was going to
be about. For most people anyway. I guess
The Beatles are relatively relevant these days.
     
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Nov 17, 2010, 12:04 PM
 
The only album I don't already have on CD is "Revolver" Once I buy that I'm done. (I have Past Masters I & II on CD as well)
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Nov 17, 2010, 04:49 PM
 
Some background on the deal, supposedly:

Jobs beat rivals; Google, Amazon vied for Beatles prize - NYPOST.com

So the big announcement is also a Nyaah Nyaah to Amazon et al.

Interesting is the speculation on the cut, and the rather odd statement that this shows how the dynamics of the business have changed:

That would leave EMI with around 90 cents. While no one knows the precise split with the Beatles, industry in siders believe EMI made a gen erous 50-50 split in order to get the band on board. If that's the case, EMI would take 45 cents, leaving the band members or their estates with 11 cents each per song download.
In an indication of just how much the economics of the music business have changed, back in the Eighties when the Beatles finally agreed to make their music available on CD, each Beatle got a dollar for every CD sold.
11 cents per song, at say an average of 12 songs an album, works out to $1.30 per "CD" sold. So they're making less than they did in the 80s (when a dollar was worth considerably more), but that doesn't really seem to be the point the NY Post is making, which is that they're making less than a dollar per "CD"?
     
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