[Stuphalina]

I find that since I've upgraded, there have been little probs with SPSS's stability, for example it crashes every time I want to make a graph. It worked fin under Jaguar, but it glitches now.
I checked the website but they don't seem to have much for macs in general there.

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G4 15" Pb, 1.25 GHz, 1G ram, 80 G, if that is also needed.

[bernt]

Originally posted by Stuphalina:
I find that since I've upgraded, there have been little probs with SPSS's stability, for example it crashes every time I want to make a graph. It worked fin under Jaguar, but it glitches now.
I checked the website but they don't seem to have much for macs in general there.

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G4 15" Pb, 1.25 GHz, 1G ram, 80 G, if that is also needed.

I have the same config as you have, but don't have any problems with SPSS (except that it is extremly slow compared to the pc-version). I emailed a support person at SPSS regarding SPSS not working on my old iBook 800 after I installed panther. The person told me that there are some known issues with SPSS and panther which they are working on. So I guess there will be an update soon...

bernt

[Stuphalina]

We'll see how fast they do update. I have my doubts it will be speedy.
Thanks.

[Amorya]

I just wish SPSS for Mac didn't need a different licence to SPSS for Win.

My uni offers SPSS for Windows for �7. They offer SPSS for Mac for �600. It's a course requirement, but there's no way I'm spending a significant chunk of my loan on a stats package!

(Sorry to rant. Seeing the name SPSS come up anywhere makes me start ranting. I think it's a pavlovian thing.)

Amorya

[Sarc]

I really need an updated SPSS for OS X ... it's so damn slow !!!
working with 5million record dbases here and it's really painful.

[joshturse]

If you've installed SPSS and Panther (Mac OS X 10.3), then you may have a problem running SPSS. Mine crashes immediately.

SPSS is a statistical analysis package, used by everyone out there from social scientists to molecular biologists. It is one of the few alternatives for crunching statistical numbers. Let's just say Excel does this poorly, and I think I'm putting that mildly.

My setup:

2002 iBook (Dual-USB), 700MHz G3, 640 MB RAM

Steps I have taken, because I read them someplace else:

Wiped my hard drive, started with a clean install of both Panther and SPSS (without any non-Apple apps present).
Deleted my SPSS preferences file.
Deleted a folder & application installed by SPSS "DataDirect ODBC Folder"


I decided to contact SPSS directly. They started out seeming helpful, but now I'm not sure.


My experiences with SPSS support:

Despite taking 48 hours to reply intially, things have been fairly friendly. I provided them with the crash log (which is below) and the report from the Apple System Profiler. They find nothing wrong with my machine, and had the following to say:

Josh,

Thank you for sending your information so fast.

There doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary in your system profile.

We are currently looking at the potential of there being a compatibility_issue with SPSS 11.0.2 for Macintosh, OS 10.3.1_and G3 processors. We are still investigating the possible causes. I need to caution you that there may not be a resolution to this problem, as this version of the OS is not supported. I will notify you if I obtain any useful information.

Please let me know if you have any questions regarding this case.

Also, please confirm receipt of this email and let me know whether you consider the matter resolved.

Thank you,

Steve Aldrich - Technical Support Specialist
SPSS Inc.
Email: [email protected]
Tel: +1.312.651.3410 / Fax +1.312.264.3444

To which I suggest everyone reply - "NO, I DON'T CONSIDER THIS MATTER RESOLVED". If you choose to contact SPSS to put more pressure on them to fix this software, you will need to provide them with your serial number before they even try to find out what your problem is.

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Here's the crash log:

Date/Time: 2003-11-18 15:54:55 -0600
OS Version: 10.3.1 (Build 7C107)

Command: spssmac (/Applications/SPSS 11/SPSS 11 for Mac OS X.app/Contents/MacOS/spssmac)
PID: 2986
Thread: 0

Exception: EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (0x0002)
Code[0]: 0x00000002
Code[1]: 0x0333187c


Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x0333187c in v_IOCVINIT1 (Runtime.Mach-O.dummy.c:35)
#1 0x03331554 in IOCVINIT (Runtime.Mach-O.dummy.c:35)
#2 0x03331524 in IOCVINIT (Runtime.Mach-O.dummy.c:35)
#3 0x03340724 in DllMain (Runtime.Mach-O.dummy.c:35)
#4 0x0332e4c0 in _DllMainCRTStartup (SharedDataSegment.h:155)
#5 0x03346a00 in _CRTDLL_ENTRY_POINT (epstub.c:3)
#6 0x05ce8600 in ProcessAttach__Q214Ns_CoreClasses11C_DllModuleFv (C_SizeBox.cpp:25)
#7 0x05d044fc in RegisterDllModule__Q214Ns_CoreClasses11U_ModuleMgr FRCQ214Ns_CoreClasses18C_BundleModuleInfoRCPFPQ214 Ns_CoreClasses12tagDllModuleUlPv_iQ214Ns_CoreClass es25RegisteredStandardLibrary (C_SizeBox.cpp:25)
#8 0x03346ab8 in __Mach_O_initialize (epstub.c:3)
#9 0x000092b8 in __Mach_O_sys_dylib_sinit (__Mach_O_sys_dylib_sinit + 400)
#10 0x000095b4 in __Mach_O_sys_dylib_sinit (__Mach_O_sys_dylib_sinit + 1164)
#11 0x000096a8 in __Mach_O_App_init (__Mach_O_App_init + 80)
#12 0x000040ac in _start (_start + 140)
#13 0x0000401c in start (start + 4

PPC Thread State:
srr0: 0x0333187c srr1: 0x0008f030 vrsave: 0x00000000
cr: 0x45000242 xer: 0x00000002 lr: 0x03331554 ctr: 0x900011c0
r0: 0x0334b200 r1: 0xbffff620 r2: 0x000066a1 r3: 0x0334b26c
r4: 0x0000000f r5: 0x0334b26c r6: 0x0334b200 r7: 0x00000001
r8: 0x0000000c r9: 0x00000001 r10: 0x0334b200 r11: 0x0000002e
r12: 0x033514e4 r13: 0x00000000 r14: 0x00000000 r15: 0x00000000
r16: 0x00000000 r17: 0x00000000 r18: 0x00000000 r19: 0x00000000
r20: 0x00000000 r21: 0x00000000 r22: 0x03328000 r23: 0x0334bb40
r24: 0x00000000 r25: 0x00000008 r26: 0x0334f200 r27: 0x0334b4e0
r28: 0x0334fa80 r29: 0x0334b5c0 r30: 0x00000001 r31: 0x03331198

If anyone's found a solution short of returning to Jaguar, let me know...

[Stuphalina]

I found that Pro Fit works just as well for many calculations that you might need to do under SPSS and the thrial version is fairly good. This will be my substitute for the time being.

[joshturse]

Believe it or not, what I'm doing is not very complicated (in my mind). I'm trying to generate simple boxplots that show outliers as well as variances. SPSS is available through my university for $30, which is why I went that route.

Thank you for your suggestion, and I will give pro Fit a try.

Originally posted by Stuphalina:
I found that Pro Fit works just as well for many calculations that you might need to do under SPSS and the thrial version is fairly good. This will be my substitute for the time being.

[torifile]

SPSS is slow here, but it works without incident unless I'm doing a graph. Then I get about 20 "HOOPS warnings" per graph. After clicking through them all, I can see my graphs without a problem. I don't know what that's about. Personally, I'm using R for most of my stats now. It's free and works. And it's more capable than SPSS.

[Stuphalina]

Personally, I'm using R for most of my stats now. It's free and works. And it's more capable than SPSS.

This is an application simply called "R"?

[joshturse]

Originally posted by Stuphalina:
This is an application simply called "R"?

Sorry, I emailed torifile to clear this up, here was his response:

R is a lot like SAS. It's pretty complex but very powerful. It has great graphics capabilities and there are MANY packages designed for specific purposes. There is now an aqua frontend for it and it's got complete feature parity with windows because they are built from the same source. In fact, R runs better in OS X than it does on windows. You can get the pre-built OS X binary from http://gifi.stat.ucla.edu/pub/ . It's a double click installer. Once you get that installed, you have many of the basic abilities ready to go. If you want to add other packages you get them from http://cran.r-project.org/ . There are books written about how to use R (and S+, it's commercial big brother) but many basics can be found in online docs and some of the books are also available in pdf format for free.

The learning curve is steep but I find myself using it more and more as I become increasingly frustrated with SPSS.

[schk]

Sorry to be slightly OT, but since there seems to be some stat ppl reading this thread, I wanted to know if any of you have used SAS remotely via X11. If so, please check out this thread: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=188865 Thanks.