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DeathMan · Feb 24, 2005, 04:10 PM

So is it a possiblity? Is it going to happen?

While I think Apple could fix TiVO, I'm not sure they would.

Anyone see Letterman last night? Computer Family Kid Names:

STiVO and iTod.

BasketofPuppies · Feb 24, 2005, 04:18 PM

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=242071

turtle777 · Feb 24, 2005, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by DeathMan:
wtf? no thead about apple + tivo yet?

wtf ? no r on your keyboard ?

-t

Mafia · Feb 24, 2005, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
wtf ? no r on your keyboard ?

-t

'r's are for chumps.

DeathMan · Feb 24, 2005, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Mafia:
'r's are for chumps.

yeah, the "" got boke off mine.

I only seached the fist page. soy.

This thead is now about ock climbing.

Oisín · Feb 24, 2005, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by DeathMan:
This thead is now about ock climbing.

C*ck climbing?

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 04:53 PM

I don't think anyone believes it or cares.

lavar78 · Feb 24, 2005, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
I don't think anyone believes it or cares.

I'm not sure I believe it, but I definitely care. TiVo is the greatest idea to come around in a long time. I've been an extremely satisfied user for about four years now.

JohnSmithXTREME · Feb 24, 2005, 05:20 PM

As long as lazy Apple can sit around and soak up money from their iPod line, they'll be happy. I don't see why they would want to take any of that money and invest it in a company like Tivo which is apparently losing money. Apple may be quirky and stubborn but they aren't dumb.

I'm rather glad that there hasn't been much speculation here about an Apple Tivo device. Mac forum speculation is usually noted for strange, unintuitive ideas that Apple would never consider in a million years.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by lavar78:
I'm not sure I believe it, but I definitely care. TiVo is the greatest idea to come around in a long time. I've been an extremely satisfied user for about four years now.

Ya but what do they offer that others don't have? Why couldn't apple do the same thing without having to buy them?

turtle777 · Feb 24, 2005, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Ya but what do they offer that others don't have?

Customer base, maybe ?

In this sort of business, you don't just get in with a new product. Even it it was better, people wouldn't just trash their old TiVo and buy an Apple TiVo. Besides, even if Apple started from scratch, support for these boxes might be to small to ever reach a significant numbers of customers, which in turn will help to get better support. Catch 22.

-t

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
Customer base, maybe ?

Do you have any idea how badly Tivo is doing?

willed · Feb 24, 2005, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Do you have any idea how badly Tivo is doing?

No.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by willed:
No.

WHy do you think they are cheap enough for hostile takeovers?

turtle777 · Feb 24, 2005, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Do you have any idea how badly Tivo is doing?

Do you have any idea who is doing better and has a larger customer base ?

Doing bad DOES NOT euqal having a small customer base.
Actually, it's often the opposite. Look at M$.

-t

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 06:13 PM

Tivo deathwatch:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000100030115/

GSixZero · Feb 24, 2005, 06:23 PM

Tivo has 3 million subscribers. Being that Tivo's market cap is only a three or four hundred million dollars. It seems like it's not actually too big of a cost, especially since Apple seems adept at managing branding, which maybe one of TiVo's largest assets. If Apple is interested in getting into video content (iMovie Video Store?), this would be a really good way to get a jump on content distribution of the future.

turtle777 · Feb 24, 2005, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Tivo deathwatch:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000100030115/

So ? Their problem is financial nature. Nothing Apple can't fix.

-t

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
So ? Their problem is financial nature. Nothing Apple can't fix.

-t

You still haven't told me what is so attractive about them that Apple couldn't do themselves.

turtle777 · Feb 24, 2005, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
You still haven't told me what is so attractive about them that Apple couldn't do themselves.

Since you did not understand the customer base point, I'm not gonna waste more words.

-t

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
Since you did not understand the customer base point, I'm not gonna waste more words.

-t

With 3 million customers you really aren't making that much of a point when the compition can offer the same thing.

They also don't have any exclusive or lucritive technology.

Apple will not buy Tivo just to they can sell them a Apple branded version and make some cash

turtle777 · Feb 24, 2005, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Apple will not buy Tivo just to they can sell them a Apple branded version and make some cash

Hehe, ain't nothing wrong with that...

-t

Footy · Feb 24, 2005, 07:09 PM

They may as well... They already have the box for it!

Zimphire · Feb 24, 2005, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
Since you did not understand the customer base point, I'm not gonna waste more words.

-t

He can't change his position mid thread. That would mean he was wrong about something.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
Hehe, ain't nothing wrong with that...

-t

Except how many you think will upgrade? Maybe 300,000 TOPS? Now how about all the support and software etc they need to maintain, that really worth it?

turtle777 · Feb 24, 2005, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
He can't change his position mid thread. That would mean he was wrong about something.

-t

rozwado1 · Feb 24, 2005, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
You still haven't told me what is so attractive about them that Apple couldn't do themselves.

Confining people to a phone jack to d/l their TV listings???

lavar78 · Feb 24, 2005, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by rozwado1:
Confining people to a phone jack to d/l their TV listings???

There are ways around that. You're only confined to it if you want to be.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 24, 2005, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by rozwado1:
Confining people to a phone jack to d/l their TV listings???

That aside the other MAJOR problem is that cable and Sat providers are coming out with their own versions what work 100% with their network. My sat provider has had a PVR for 5 years. You also get discounts using the PVR if you subscribe to certain packages. They also don't use the phone line.

Tivo cannot compete with that.

beatnix · Feb 27, 2005, 02:47 PM

if mac can create a great app for it would surely crush the media pc market. I think it's still a few years away. Steve Jobs keynote speach this year hinted that it's pushing for HD format for it's video apps, and that Apple and Sony will be working together in the future very closely. I think they are headed towards a media center type of apps. Possible? Why not.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Feb 27, 2005, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by beatnix:
if mac can create a great app for it would surely crush the media pc market. I think it's still a few years away. Steve Jobs keynote speach this year hinted that it's pushing for HD format for it's video apps, and that Apple and Sony will be working together in the future very closely. I think they are headed towards a media center type of apps. Possible? Why not.

"Oppenheimer articulated Apple's current philosophy when it comes to "media center" computers -- PCs designed to work in the living room as a component of a home entertainment system, recording video, playing back music and more. While Oppenheimer admitted some consumers may be interested in media center PCs and that a Mac mini might be suitable, he said that "most customers" would prefer to have a more powerful computer in their office or den and leverage wireless networking to stream content to their home entertainment system.

As a practical example, Oppenheimer pointed to AirTunes -- a feature of iTunes that works in conjunction with Apple's AirPort Express wireless networking hub. The AirPort Express features an audio jack that can connect to the home entertainment system using a mini jack or a digital optical cable. Music can then be streamed from the computer playing iTunes to the stereo."

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/02...imer/index.php

beatnix · Feb 27, 2005, 03:02 PM

I have read this article before, it's very interesting. The technology is out there to stream music wirelessly,(http://www.sonos.com/) but video is another thing, espcially when the major networks switch over to HD broadcasting next year. Maybe a headless apple unit with control apps similar to sony ps2 is possible. With the sucess ipod apple has proven that they can make quality consumer electronic goods other than computers.

beatnix · Feb 27, 2005, 03:14 PM

http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/01/extracting_hd_v.html

beatnix · Feb 27, 2005, 03:15 PM

http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/01/extracting_hd_v.html

cool article!

Millennium · Feb 27, 2005, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by beatnix:
I have read this article before, it's very interesting. The technology is out there to stream music wirelessly,(http://www.sonos.com/) but video is another thing, espcially when the major networks switch over to HD broadcasting next year.

The technology to do this with video has existed for some time. Consider elGato's EyeHome, which does this very thing with MPEG-4 video. Its DivX support is spotty -in particular, DivX3 videos don't stream right- but real MPEG-4 videos work very well.

http://elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyehome

Eriamjh · Feb 28, 2005, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Footy:
They may as well... They already have the box for it!

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Not quite. Too small. If Apple were to bring out a DVR, it better have a 160GB to 250GB HD in it and that means it has to be a 3.5" HD and that won't fit in a mini case.

Although a DVR would not need a CD drive...

Moderator · Feb 28, 2005, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
Although a DVR would not need a CD drive...

dvd burner'd be nice though. Thats my one problem with the current tivo..no easy way to offload content.

though with airport i suppose you could send the programs over to your primary computer.

dreilly1 · Feb 28, 2005, 09:31 AM

As much as I like TiVo, and I like Apple, I don't think a TiVo/Apple deal makes sense. TiVo doesn't have much to offer Apple other than it's nifty UI. As long as TiVo technology isn't built into cable set-top boxes, it's not going to take off to the degree the company needs to be profitable. Maybe future HD-TiVos with the silly Cable Cards can get around this, but it's still a big problem.

Now, Apple and NetFlix? I think that makes sense.

Mafia · Feb 28, 2005, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Moderator:
dvd burner'd be nice though. Thats my one problem with the current tivo..no easy way to offload content.

though with airport i suppose you could send the programs over to your primary computer.

they just came out with tivo to go, which allows you to put your shows on to your computer. only works with windows right now though.