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Green Leaf · Dec 16, 2002, 07:13 PM

I'm looking for a program to replace Hotline.

I've been on version tracker and i've seen some substitutes.

which ones do you like?

voodoo · Dec 16, 2002, 07:16 PM

Depends on what you are looking for. Music is bes gotten with Gnutella, Mac things are best gotten with Carracho, Movies are best gotten with DC and my fav is the IRC. You can get anything there. Takes a bit more learning and looking. But it's worth it.

Adam Betts · Dec 16, 2002, 07:22 PM

Carracho

But please don't troll there

Green Leaf · Dec 16, 2002, 07:24 PM

Gnutella isn't a program
i thought it was a service?

voodoo · Dec 16, 2002, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Green Leaf:
Gnutella isn't a program
i thought it was a service?

Yes, that is correct. Gnutella is "a service" not a program. You can pick the program you like to use gnutella. LimeWire is popular, but it is a Java app and needs processing power (G3 600+) and then there is Mactella, and Acquisition.

Adam Betts · Dec 16, 2002, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Green Leaf:
Gnutella isn't a program
i thought it was a service?

VersionTracker:

Neo
Acquisition
LimeWire
Fern (this one may be perfect for you since the icon contain green leaf)

Oneota · Dec 16, 2002, 07:34 PM

For a good Hotline client, try Frogblast.

For a good time, call 555-6187.

Green Leaf · Dec 16, 2002, 07:50 PM

i'm having trouble getting a tracker to list

maybe because i'm behind a firewall?

why doesn't hotline work anymore?
is there any way that development on that will start up again?

KidRed · Dec 16, 2002, 07:59 PM

Carracho

tomra · Dec 16, 2002, 08:02 PM

Frogblast is a nice alternative for OSX. Still prefer the Hotline client even if it does give me some weired error messages from time to time

smic · Dec 17, 2002, 12:34 AM

i think the main hotline trakcer is down and gone
but other ones should be up

also zombie is a cool client
http://badmoon.org/zombie.phtml

Guy Incognito · Dec 17, 2002, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by KidRed:
Carracho

Is it just me or has Carracho not much improved in the last 3 years.

I'm always eager to see big changes but the jist of most of their bi-yearly updates are: "We've moved a pixel that seemed out-of-place to the left" and "We've extended the expiration period."

What are they doing exactly over there? I don't really think they care much about their own product. Their protocol is dog-slow. And while they've really put in some X-native events (live resizing, etc...) it still has a very OS 9 feel to it.

Come on...they should at least work on one of those two things.

KidRed · Dec 17, 2002, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Guy Incognito:

Is it just me or has Carracho not much improved in the last 3 years.

I'm always eager to see big changes but the jist of most of their bi-yearly updates are: "We've moved a pixel that seemed out-of-place to the left" and "We've extended the expiration period."

What are they doing exactly over there? I don't really think they care much about their own product. Their protocol is dog-slow. And while they've really put in some X-native events (live resizing, etc...) it still has a very OS 9 feel to it.

Come on...they should at least work on one of those two things.

It's basic, but it does what I (used) to need it to do

strepidus · Dec 17, 2002, 01:19 AM

OMG, can't believe no one's mentioned KDX . The community's awesome, reminds me of Hotline back in its glory days. And takes like no cpu either.

voodoo · Dec 17, 2002, 01:22 AM

KDX is so ugly I can't stand it. How about eDonkey. I hear it is good.

starman · Dec 17, 2002, 01:47 AM

Pitbull Pro!

Mike

DaedalusDX · Dec 17, 2002, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by strepidus:
OMG, can't believe no one's mentioned KDX . The community's awesome, reminds me of Hotline back in its glory days. And takes like no cpu either.

I agree about KDX. Very fast, very reliable. The community is very friendly, and there are lots of free servers out there today (like mine!)

Get it here : www.haxial.com/download/

Shameless plug; visit my KDX server here:
128.253.247.116:9600.

It'll be up for another week and then i go home for winter break, and it'll be offline for a month, so act fast if you want to check out what i have.

I don't think its ugly! The interface is certainly responsive enough to justify it looking a little different than your average OS X window... trust me.

crayz · Dec 17, 2002, 08:23 AM

let me put in another plug for KDX. great app(although the .942 & .943 versions have lost the standard OS X "window title bar can't move offscreen" thing, but hopefully that will soon be fixed)

hotline is just a trainwreck, and Carracho has a bloated, slow feeling, along w/ no updates ever

anyone realize who the developer of KDX is?

IMacMan007 · Dec 25, 2002, 04:47 AM

KDX was formed by AJ Riley and Niki McAllister...the developers of Hotline, who left the company to pursue KDX as a client that was SHAREWARE..not PAYWARE, as they saw HL coming to be...

The interface is not an issue since appearance edit was released by kdx...
downloaded a file off another server that changed the GUI to OSX...happy now?

CHK out KDX...you might be surprised what you find...

IMacMan007

Millennium · Dec 25, 2002, 09:37 AM

Actuallywhat are you looking for? Are you looing for a different program for connecting to Hotline servers, or a completely different service?

Gnutella actually is a program; the first client, made by Nullsoft for Windows. AOL (who owns Nullsoft) made them take it down within a day, but by then people were already working on reverse-engineering the protocol.

Carracho, being Mac-only, is probably the best place to go if you're looking specifically for Mac stuff.

If you can stand the interface and the incredible arrogance of the development team, KDX is decent. But be warned; if you were on Hotline back in its glory days, Hinks is essentially dead. While the person who once wore that identity is now on KDX as one of the main developers, he is now a bitter, arrogant jerk of the highest order. That's not a term I use lightly; check out the various "policies" on his site, particularly the ones about why he refuses to use native interfaces (essentially, he thinks he's the greatest UI designer ever and doesn't need to rely on others' research, particularly not Apple's).

Among Hotline clients, there are two major alternatives for OSX. BadMoon's Zombie retains the old 1.2.3 interface (which I very much liked), but adds many extensions such as secure transmission. It's a decent Carbon port too, also a plus. The other one is a Cocoa app known as FrogBlast; its interface is completely different (I hope you like tabs) but it works well in its own right. There are other clients out now as well.

VivaHX seems to be the best site out there for Hotline stuff, and they provide decent coverage of the alternative protocols as well.

Silky Voice of The Gorn · Dec 25, 2002, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by IMacMan007:
KDX was formed by AJ Riley and Niki McAllister...the developers of Hotline, who left the company to pursue KDX as a client that was SHAREWARE..not PAYWARE, as they saw HL coming to be...

Um...wrong. Close, but wrong.

typoon · Dec 25, 2002, 04:49 PM

Second vote for Frogblblast and for PitBull Pro

v0id7 · Dec 25, 2002, 05:06 PM

pitbull is def the best...you might want to look into direct connect also...its got a little bit of use

Angus_D · Dec 25, 2002, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Silky Voice of The Gorn:
Um...wrong. Close, but wrong.

I heard rumours it was hinks...

OwlBoy · Dec 25, 2002, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by voodoo:
KDX is so ugly I can't stand it. How about eDonkey. I hear it is good.

if you hate the look of KDX then you will hate the commandline interface of eDonkey... I use it every day.

-Owl

spectre · Dec 25, 2002, 05:33 PM

KDX is great.. It's a bit ugly, but there are plenty of great free servers, much like how Hotline was back in its glory days.

If you wanna continue to use hotline, I suggest using Zombie (http://www.badmoon.org) It has a really nice interface.. and works really well with hxd servers. Then again.. I tend to only visit private servers that run hxd. If your still going around looking for random public servers (ack.. good luck), your best bet is to use Frogblast.

Acquisition isn't bad as far as Gnutella is concerned..

Angus_D · Dec 25, 2002, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by OwlBoy:
if you hate the look of KDX then you will hate the commandline interface of eDonkey... I use it every day.

-Owl

CocoDonkey is a Cocoa front-end to mldonkey

Musti · 01:29 AM

Originally posted by Green Leaf:
I'm looking for a program to replace Hotline.

I've been on version tracker and i've seen some substitutes.

which ones do you like?

I use KazaaLite running on (in?) Virtual PC 5 Windows 2000 for music.

fromthecloud · Dec 26, 2002, 11:41 PM

Direct Connect.

No question. The OS X client was releaseed a few weeks ago, and I dropped Limewire and never looked back. The network currently boasts 1 PETABYTE of data. That's more than Gnutella, KaZaA, and other services combined.

Check it out.

http://www.neo-modus.com/

crayz · Dec 27, 2002, 12:30 AM

BTW, of all the PTP file sharing apps/networks, the best I've found so far is Shareaza. They have sort of extended the Gnutella network and made the only decent Gnutella/"Gnutella2" client that I've seen.

IMO its a really slick app. Unfortunately its Win-only. Where are all the Mac developers for good file sharing clients?

And yes, hmm...rumors.....

Angus_D · Dec 27, 2002, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by crayz:
BTW, of all the PTP file sharing apps/networks, the best I've found so far is Shareaza. They have sort of extended the Gnutella network and made the only decent Gnutella/"Gnutella2" client that I've seen.

IMO its a really slick app. Unfortunately its Win-only. Where are all the Mac developers for good file sharing clients?

Well, unless the particular one you're talking about has open standards, you're pretty much screwed. Like Kazaa (and the other one which uses the same protocol thing) uses an encrypted protocol, so nobody can really write a Mac client which connects to their servers.

hatfield · Dec 27, 2002, 11:00 AM

I use Kazaa Lite in virtual PC 6(Win 98) for music downloads... it's basically the only reason why I use VPC! For files I use Carracho, which I'm just starting to get the hang of....

Does Direct Connect only work with10.2? I have 10.1.5....

-Peter

IMacMan007 · Dec 28, 2002, 04:36 PM

I agree withe moderator that the appearance of kdx and the opinions of the developers are less than desirable...I still must say that the growth and stability of this client is the most promising. Maybe "Heidrun"(with a little more work) as a hotline client will bring the masses back,
or the latest release of "Frogblast"

On the apperance side of kdx, with the release of "appearance edit" by haxial,
I was able to change my interface to OSX.

Check out some of the servers out there..
these apperence mods are showing up all over...the "look" of kdx should no longer be a gripe...

thnx

voodoo · Dec 28, 2002, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by OwlBoy:
if you hate the look of KDX then you will hate the commandline interface of eDonkey... I use it every day.

-Owl

I love CLI

I use the Haxial NetFone a lot. I hate the interface, but not as much as I hate the Windows interface (pick a version).

I think Haxial means well, but there is a reason I chose Mac, and interface is one of them.

CLI is just CLI. It is multifunctional and userunfriendly. You have to choose to go CLI, but there is an option in most cases.

Besides CLI looks so 80s, I love it!

Gametes · Dec 29, 2002, 04:10 PM

I'm really surprised no one has vouched for Acquisition yet. This is my app of choice, because it is so simple and works. With all the other ones you have to connect to servers and all that nonsense, but with Acquisition (ie gnutella) you're either on or off. I find alot of stuff there.
Those of you using DC, how to you connect to 1 PB at a time? I just connect to 1 server at startup...

OwlBoy · Dec 29, 2002, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Angus_D:
CocoDonkey is a Cocoa front-end to mldonkey

Um, I said eDonkey.

NOT mlDonkey.

-Owl