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The Final Dakar · Sep 3, 2015, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by andi*pandi

Bernie vs Trump would be more interesting.

Trump would destroy him. Name recognition alone would make it no-contest.

Waragainstsleep · Sep 3, 2015, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

Trump would destroy him. Name recognition alone would make it no-contest.

I'd like to think you're horribly wrong about this. Surely even a lot of conservatives are smart enough not to vote for Trump. I wonder whether he might have an issue with voter turnout because even people who would never vote democrat might still consider Trump to be a joke and abstain altogether.
And is anyone in the centre (assuming anyone still is) going to swing right for Trump? Again, I can't see people going that far out of their way to affect change, especially when they know the black guy can't get in again.

The Final Dakar · Sep 3, 2015, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep

I'd like to think you're horribly wrong about this. Surely even a lot of conservatives are smart enough not to vote for Trump.

Why would conservatives pick a Socialist over Trump? They're not in question.

subego · Sep 3, 2015, 12:34 PM

I'm sure there were conservatives who voted for Obama. He's a Kenyan, Muslim socialist.

Cap'n Tightpants · Sep 3, 2015, 12:41 PM

I'd vote for Sanders over Trump, but I'd want at least one house of congress controlled by the Rs, to keep him in check.

The Final Dakar · Sep 3, 2015, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants

I'd vote for Sanders over Trump, but I'd want at least one house of congress controlled by the Rs, to keep him in check.

That doesn't look to be a problem for the considerable future.

The Final Dakar · Sep 3, 2015, 02:49 PM

Donald Trump signs RNC loyalty pledge - CNNPolitics.com
Donald Trump continues to confound me.

I mean, if you thought he wasn't serious about running this would make sense, but he's already blown so many predictions and expectations out of the water that I'd have felt I was making the same mistake again. And then there's the subplot about this not being worth the paper it's written on, legally speaking, giving it an entirely new possible anti-establishment angle when he blows it off if he doesn't get the nomination.

I'm just curious – since his favorability defies conventional political logic – if his followers might be a little disappointed with him bowing to the establishment on this one. Considering how wrong predictions have been, watch this somehow bring more establishment friendly voters in.

In short, WTF

subego · Sep 3, 2015, 02:57 PM

His quote sounds pretty "dog whistle" to me. He pretty much flat out said "I'm signing this to increase my chances of winning".

There's an implication there of "if I don't win..."

The Final Dakar · Sep 3, 2015, 02:59 PM

I don't see how this changes how they treat him. Either way they don't want him as the nominee. If anything this gives them false security about mistreating him.

subego · Sep 3, 2015, 03:03 PM

That's even better.

There's obviously a significant segment of the party who's unhappy with the status quo.

If the RCC keeps trying to burn him, he'll totally capitalize on that.

In the martyr department, he'll make Kentucky woman look like a piker.

The Final Dakar · Sep 3, 2015, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by subego

If the RCC keeps trying to burn him, he'll totally capitalize on that..

To be fair I don't think Pope Francis has even commented on the issue.

The Final Dakar · Sep 3, 2015, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by subego

That's even better.

There's obviously a significant segment of the party who's unhappy with the status quo.

Well, it's more than that. He's essentially a tea partiers wet dream. Anti-establishment, racist, and belligerent. All that seems to outweigh his other views and his political past. The dichotomy has been mind-blowing for me.

subego · Sep 3, 2015, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

To be fair I don't think Pope Francis has even commented on the issue.

He challenged Trump to a bare-knuckle boxing match.

andi*pandi · Sep 3, 2015, 04:50 PM

Fran-cis! Fran-cis! Fran-cis!

besson3c · Sep 3, 2015, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

Trump would destroy him. Name recognition alone would make it no-contest.

Few people knew who Obama was prior to 2008.

P · Sep 4, 2015, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by andi*pandi

Bernie vs Trump would be more interesting.

The way these things go, if one party goes with an extreme candidate, the other party tends to move to a more traditional, centrist candidate, so that matchup is unlikely.

Also, if Bernie starts to pull close to Clinton, it is because Clinton is losing support and he is the only other candidate. At that point, I think Biden will throw his hat into the ring.

The Final Dakar · Sep 4, 2015, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Few people knew who Obama was prior to 2008.

Not the same.

Cap'n Tightpants · Sep 4, 2015, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Few people knew who Obama was prior to 2008.

You're joking, right?

turtle777 · Sep 4, 2015, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants

You're joking, right?

He meant few Canuckistanis.

-t

besson3c · Sep 4, 2015, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants

You're joking, right?

No. What opportunity would Joe Sixpack have had to hear much about Obama? His time in the Senate?

Prior to the election many Conservatives were criticizing his lack of experience. Which is it, was he an inexperienced relative unknown, or not?

The Final Dakar · Sep 4, 2015, 12:53 PM

Inexperienced doesn't mean unknown.

Edit: Afterall, that's trump in a nutshell. And Bernie Sanders is the polar opposite.

Cap'n Tightpants · Sep 4, 2015, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

No. What opportunity would Joe Sixpack have had to hear much about Obama? His time in the Senate?

Prior to the election many Conservatives were criticizing his lack of experience. Which is it, was he an inexperienced relative unknown, or not?

What does being unknown, which he wasn't, have to do with being inexperienced, which he was (woefully)?

unicast reversepath · Sep 4, 2015, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by subego

in the martyr department, he'll make kentucky woman look like a piker.

lmao!

P · Sep 6, 2015, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

No. What opportunity would Joe Sixpack have had to hear much about Obama? His time in the Senate?

His primary victory in the 2004 election and subsequent address at the Democratic convention, which got quite a bit of attention (And is the reason why Jimmy Smits' character in the last seasons of West Wing is based loosely on him).

The Final Dakar · Sep 8, 2015, 12:25 PM

Just a reminder, we're all partisan hacks

The Final Dakar · Sep 17, 2015, 02:21 PM

I'm only two hours into this freakin' marathon, but this debate is awful. Almost every question brings up Trump, and all the questions are name-dropping and trying to start fights rather than address the topics. On the other side several candidates are going hard in the opposite direction and showing some serious 'party unity' making me sense some order from on high.

I don't think Trumps numbers will being going up after this one, but you know, when has anyone been right about Trump yet?

Cap'n Tightpants · Sep 17, 2015, 05:55 PM

Fiorina tore him a new ass. I still like her.

The Final Dakar · Sep 18, 2015, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants

Fiorina tore him a new ass. I still like her.

I came away feeling like she was one of the most hawkish people in the room.

The Final Dakar · Sep 18, 2015, 11:07 AM

The Final Dakar · Sep 18, 2015, 12:45 PM

BadKosh · Sep 21, 2015, 10:47 AM

Just to set the record straight...

Heilemann Confirms: It Was Hillary Who Started Rumor Obama Not Christian

Chongo · Sep 21, 2015, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by BadKosh

Just to set the record straight...

Heilemann Confirms: It Was Hillary Who Started Rumor Obama Not Christian

It was Clinton supporters that started the "birther" movement as well.

The Final Dakar · Sep 23, 2015, 04:06 PM

Donald Trump: I'm boycotting Fox News - Business Insider

Didn't we already do this? A little early for reruns.

Waragainstsleep · Sep 24, 2015, 05:24 AM

It strikes me as rather foolish of Trump to alienate FN. Surely a lot of his voter base are going to be FN viewers?

The Final Dakar · Sep 28, 2015, 01:40 PM

/dead

subego · Sep 28, 2015, 01:48 PM

http://i.imgur.com/dhLOg2H.gifv

The Final Dakar · Oct 1, 2015, 11:13 AM

Trump did a 180º on Syrian refugees. I have a feeling his supporters won't hold his old position against him.

Waragainstsleep · Oct 3, 2015, 10:41 AM

He's a greedy, racist piece of shit who wants to **** his own daughter. If they were going to hold anything against him, I expect they'd have done it by now.

Cap'n Tightpants · Oct 3, 2015, 12:01 PM

Are we talking about Trump or Woody Allen?

Waragainstsleep · Oct 4, 2015, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants

Are we talking about Trump or Woody Allen?

Is Woody racist?

The Final Dakar · Oct 6, 2015, 11:52 AM

Donald Trump sends Marco Rubio care package - CNNPolitics.com

He's like an SNL skit come to life.

Chongo · Oct 6, 2015, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep

Is Woody racist?

Woody Allen has other issues.

Waragainstsleep · Oct 6, 2015, 06:23 PM

I'm aware.

andi*pandi · Oct 7, 2015, 04:49 PM

Making the rounds of my facebook: Photos of Trump "Make America Great" merch with Made in China tags. When questioned, Trump somehow manages to say it's China's fault for making prices so darn cheap.

<facepalm>

In comparison, Bernie swag is made in USA.

Cap'n Tightpants · Oct 7, 2015, 06:03 PM

After talking with Bernie's people, I'd vote for him (I'd choose him over Hillary or Trump in a heartbeat). The whole 90% tax rate for the top 10% is rhetoric, really he'd aim for another 5-10% and an increase in taxes on luxury items and fuel. I could handle that. Plus, on the 2nd amendment he's actually to the Right of Trump, or about where we are now.

subego · Oct 7, 2015, 10:22 PM

I was talking about about taxes earlier. I can give chapter and verse why it's a bad idea to raise taxes.

Buuuuut... we're on the hook for $2 trillion for war expenses. Of course we need to raise taxes. Selling ourselves to China isn't such a swell idea either.

Aaaaand... I kinda sorta supported the war. If I can't handle a reasonable tax increase to pay for it, I should really just go **** off.

turtle777 · Oct 7, 2015, 10:38 PM

I just don't think Bernie would get anything done.

Nice guy, but that's it.

Washington deserves a competent asshole. Trump fits that bill better.

-t

subego · Oct 7, 2015, 11:49 PM

I don't question Trump's ability to Get Shit Done™, the problem is his incoherent policy. The man has zero wonk-fu.

turtle777 · Oct 7, 2015, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by subego

I don't question Trump's ability to Get Shit Done™, the problem is his incoherent policy. The man has zero wonk-fu.

In that regard, the only difference between him and the standard fare Washington politician is that Trump is the worse liar.

-t

subego · Oct 8, 2015, 12:32 AM

Most candidates you triangulate from their record in politics, and you don't even need to do that with Sanders. He's an unusually straight shooter.