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rickey939 · 12:43 AM

New Apple .Mac Webmail Preview...

Oversoul · Sep 27, 2006, 12:56 AM

Looking good!

macintologist · Sep 27, 2006, 04:29 AM

How about 5 gigs of iDisk standard?

- - e r i k - - · Sep 27, 2006, 05:07 AM

I wonder how many mails [email protected] will have by the end of this week

Big Mac · Sep 27, 2006, 06:51 AM

That does look quite nice. I wonder how dynamic some of the Mail interface elements will actually be.

scaught · Sep 27, 2006, 10:48 AM

thats hot.

Dark Helmet · Sep 27, 2006, 11:05 AM

If Apple updates .Mac, and nobody is using it, does anyone care?

rickey939 · Sep 27, 2006, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

If Apple updates .Mac, and nobody is using it, does anyone care?

Who says nobody is using it?

Dark Helmet · Sep 27, 2006, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by rickey939

Who says nobody is using it?

Ok sorry, a couple people, especially the online .Mac mail.

Big Mac · Sep 27, 2006, 11:50 AM

I think it's more than a couple of people. The web interface is really convenient when you're not at your regular machine. I don't use it a lot, but it does come in handy for me and certainly must be popular enough for Apple to devote additional resources to it.

Dark Helmet · Sep 27, 2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

I think it's more than a couple of people. The web interface is really convenient when you're not at your regular machine. I don't use it a lot, but it does come in handy for me and certainly must be popular enough for Apple to devote additional resources to it.

The major problem with it up till this update is that it has ZERO spam filtering.

Big Mac · Sep 27, 2006, 11:54 AM

I don't know about that, SWG. Are you saying you think the only spam filtering on .Mac is at the client level with Mail? That just cannot be true.

turtle777 · Sep 27, 2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

I don't know about that, SWG. Are you saying you think the only spam filtering on .Mac is at the client level with Mail? That just cannot be true.

That's what I thought it was, too.

-t

Big Mac · Sep 27, 2006, 12:08 PM

All major email providers have to invariably utilize server side spam tools, or else their users would be innundated with spam.

turtle777 · Sep 27, 2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

All major email providers have to invariably utilize server side spam tools, or else their users would be innundated with spam.

So, what you are telling me is that there is no end-user control over what gets filtered server-sided ? Wouldn't like that either...

-t

Dark Helmet · Sep 27, 2006, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

I don't know about that, SWG. Are you saying you think the only spam filtering on .Mac is at the client level with Mail? That just cannot be true.

YES. Online .Mac gives you no way to flag, report or mark spam.

Big Mac · Sep 27, 2006, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

So, what you are telling me is that there is no end-user control over what gets filtered server-sided ? Wouldn't like that either...

-t

Yes, that's why it's server side. I would be astonished if Apple did not employ server side spam controls.

Dark Helmet · Sep 27, 2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Yes, that's why it's server side. I would be astonished if Apple did not employ server side spam controls.

They do have SOME filtering automatically but no way to know what or adjust it which isn't good if legit email is getting blocked which is a recurring problem with .Mac.

Big Mac · Sep 27, 2006, 12:23 PM

Well I would agree with that - there's no server marked spam folder to sift through. But that's a lot different from saying that it has "zero spam filtering."

BRussell · Sep 27, 2006, 01:26 PM

Has anyone noticed how they always do something around this time of year for .Mac? iTools was changed to .Mac in September of 2002, so they probably have a large percentage of their users who started paying at that time, and consider whether it's really worth it around this time every year.

Big Mac · Sep 27, 2006, 01:27 PM

Good point.

mitchell_pgh · Sep 27, 2006, 03:40 PM

I've never purchased .mac, but feel it's a cool service. My main beef with it was the networking seemed a little flaky... I wonder if they have improved that?

zerostar · Sep 27, 2006, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

I've never purchased .mac, but feel it's a cool service. My main beef with it was the networking seemed a little flaky... I wonder if they have improved that?

What aspect of the networking the iDisk? Yes it is MUCH improved, I use backup for my web settings, keychain, addresses, etc. and it never fails night after night, plus I store images and things on there as well. I also have a protected web sharing for client photos occasionally.

I usually get a boxed .Mac renewal for around $50 (though I paid $60 this year) so for that it is worth it for me to keep the @mac.com address.

Dark Helmet · Sep 27, 2006, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Well I would agree with that - there's no server marked spam folder to sift through. But that's a lot different from saying that it has "zero spam filtering."

Actually in that case it is worse than zero since you might have legit emails getting filtered and absolutely no way in hell in knowing.

Not only that but you can't report spammers, block repeat ones, or teach .Mac online to learn and filter them.

So it is more than just "no server marked spam folder to sift through".

My .Mac mail that I used only for online got so much spam with no way to do anything about it (I even forwarded them to [email protected], never got a reply) so I just canceled it and got a free gmail one with more storage and spam filters.

slugslugslug · Sep 27, 2006, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by zerostar

What aspect of the networking the iDisk? Yes it is MUCH improved, I use backup for my web settings, keychain, addresses, etc. and it never fails night after night, plus I store images and things on there as well. I also have a protected web sharing for client photos occasionally.

I usually get a boxed .Mac renewal for around $50 (though I paid $60 this year) so for that it is worth it for me to keep the @mac.com address.

Where do you get that deal? Some kind of institutional discount? I have to renew any day now, and was pretty disappointed my school doesn't get edu prices for .Mac...

Big Mac · Sep 27, 2006, 04:27 PM

I'd like to know the same thing. I've never seen a .Mac renewal box.

zerostar · Sep 27, 2006, 04:34 PM

I got mine on the NN classifieds, posted a wanted, got a few offers of $75 and worked one out for $60 eventually, but sometimes on ebay you can get them for under $50 shipped. look for "apple .mac 4.0" there is one ending soon for $46...

BTW you can get it for I think $73 on amazon.com so adjust your bidding accordingly.

Kenneth · Sep 27, 2006, 08:18 PM

I just renewed my .Mac membership today. Love the new look of webmail.

lavar78 · Sep 27, 2006, 08:46 PM

I buy .Mac from Amazon for about $80 (before any coupons).

rickey939 · Oct 26, 2006, 08:36 PM

TETENAL · Oct 26, 2006, 09:04 PM

Oh. It's very nice!

rickey939 · Oct 26, 2006, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Oh. It's very nice!

Indeed, I like it a lot better than Gmail now. God bless AJAX...

Well done Apple!

itai195 · Oct 26, 2006, 09:22 PM

Looks nice, but not in the market to change my e-mail address.

Kenneth · Oct 26, 2006, 11:13 PM

Love it.

MindFad · Oct 26, 2006, 11:20 PM

Very cool.

Agasthya · Oct 26, 2006, 11:22 PM

That took a lot less time than the MacNN redesign.

Andy8 · Oct 26, 2006, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

Looks nice, but not in the market to change my e-mail address.

You have only 1 email address?

itai195 · Oct 27, 2006, 12:32 AM

I have a bunch, but I only have one personal address that I use heavily.

rickey939 · Oct 27, 2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Agasthya

That took a lot less time than the MacNN redesign.

Ha, you went there....yes, you really did.

driven · Oct 27, 2006, 11:29 AM

They lost the "Quick address" feature that was present in the previous build. Bummer.

rickey939 · Oct 27, 2006, 02:12 PM

Address Book on .Mac was also updated. Much better!

RAILhead · Oct 27, 2006, 02:20 PM

I don't see why you can;t access the Address Book from the new message window. We're supposed to select the recipient(s) before we open a new message window now?

driven · Oct 27, 2006, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

I don't see why you can;t access the Address Book from the new message window. We're supposed to select the recipient(s) before we open a new message window now?

That's the part that's throwing me off as well. It's very unintuitive. I kind of thought that they were going to somehow make a web-version of mail.app, but instead they've created something much different.

rickey939 · Oct 27, 2006, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

I don't see why you can;t access the Address Book from the new message window. We're supposed to select the recipient(s) before we open a new message window now?

Agreed, it does seem odd. And what happened to the "Quick Addresses" menu? I used that heavily.

kick52 · Oct 27, 2006, 03:02 PM

wow! looks nice

rickey939 · 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

I don't see why you can;t access the Address Book from the new message window. We're supposed to select the recipient(s) before we open a new message window now?

Wait, after further testing...you just simply start typing in any part of a name in your Address Book in the "To:" field of a new e-mail and it instantly pop-ups from the addresses you have stored in Address Book. It's rather slick and very fast actually, just like the real Mail.app behaves.

driven · Oct 27, 2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by rickey939

Wait, after further testing...you just simply start typing in any part of a name in your Address Book and it instantly pop-ups from the addresses you have stored in Address Book. It's rather slick and very fast actually, just like the real Mail.app behaves.

That doesn't work for me. I tried with Firefox and IE on a windows machine. Perhaps this is a Safari mac only thing?

Also: It looks absolutely horid on IE6 on my Dell.

rickey939 · Oct 27, 2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by driven

Perhaps this is a Safari mac only thing?

Hmm, not sure...wouldn't surprise me. The site makes use of AJAX very heavily and I'm not sure how the Windows browsers can handle that code.

TETENAL · Oct 27, 2006, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by driven

Perhaps this is a Safari mac only thing?

That wouldn't make much sense. Web-mail is there so that you access your mail when you are not at your home machine, and then there's a 95% chance that it's not a Mac.

RAILhead · Oct 27, 2006, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by rickey939

Wait, after further testing...you just simply start typing in any part of a name in your Address Book in the "To:" field of a new e-mail and it instantly pop-ups from the addresses you have stored in Address Book. It's rather slick and very fast actually, just like the real Mail.app behaves.

Yeah, but my wife doesn't use Address Book.