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Should I delete hacked software before I send PB in?
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Feb 8, 2004, 05:25 PM
 
I guess that my logic board is fried...I have to take my comp to the apple store so they can send it off. Should I remove this stuff? Will they make a stink about it?
     
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Feb 8, 2004, 07:01 PM
 
How would anyone know it is hacked?
     
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Feb 8, 2004, 07:15 PM
 
Originally posted by KeriVit:
How would anyone know it is hacked?
if his logic board is fried, how would he remove the software?

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Feb 8, 2004, 07:28 PM
 
Originally posted by rjenkinson:
if his logic board is fried, how would he remove the software?

-r.
Remove the harddrive and put it in another machine, or send in the PB without it.
     
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Feb 8, 2004, 07:28 PM
 
There's no reason to remove any software, hacked or not, for many reasons. Why would Apple care if you hacked some other company's software? Why would the Apple technician waste his/her time looking through your hard drive for any software, let alone check if it is hacked?

I've sent my Titanium PB to get its logic board replaced with all my software on it, hacked or not. I didn't care one bit.
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Feb 8, 2004, 09:55 PM
 
Now a collection of adult cinema is another story...
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 12:20 AM
 
I am quite sure they DO NOT CARE

In all likelihood they have more pirated software then you do.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 01:15 AM
 
Yeah, that and the fact they have no real proof in the first place unless it's blatently obvious "HACKED MAC OS BOOTING UP" sorta crap lol
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Feb 9, 2004, 03:31 AM
 
Now if you have video of your GF in a compromising position, who would be pissed about her image being plastered around the internet, that is a different story.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 03:54 AM
 
The Computer Store here in portland took all of the "illegal" apps off this guys computer that I go to school with. They said that they removed the programs because he didnt have a legit serial #. Although i'd never go to these scum bags again I thought I should ask before I went to the apple store in washington Sq to see what the overall feeling was. I hope that I get it back soon so that I can reload my stuff.....
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 04:29 AM
 
Originally posted by Arch.:
The Computer Store here in portland took all of the "illegal" apps off this guys computer that I go to school with. They said that they removed the programs because he didnt have a legit serial #. Although i'd never go to these scum bags again I thought I should ask before I went to the apple store in washington Sq to see what the overall feeling was. I hope that I get it back soon so that I can reload my stuff.....
Thats insane! I don't understand how they could do that. That is kinda like going through someones closet when you are painting their room...you just dont do that! I only go to The Computer Store for software. Anyhows, I don't think apple will care about what is on your drive.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 11:01 AM
 
Originally posted by Arch.:
The Computer Store here in portland took all of the "illegal" apps off this guys computer that I go to school with. They said that they removed the programs because he didnt have a legit serial #. Although i'd never go to these scum bags again I thought I should ask before I went to the apple store in washington Sq to see what the overall feeling was. I hope that I get it back soon so that I can reload my stuff.....
They're not police and I'm sure they didn't have the right to do that. Your friend could end up owning a Computer Store if he sued them correctly.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 11:34 AM
 
Originally posted by -Q-:
They're not police and I'm sure they didn't have the right to do that. Your friend could end up owning a Computer Store if he sued them correctly.
Correctly being the word there.

I don't think they would really care what was on because it would take more of their time to look and find the stuff than not to.


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Feb 9, 2004, 11:39 AM
 
Eh, leave it there, what're they gonna do, you have backups, right?
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 11:54 AM
 
I'd be more worried that they'd wipe the whole hard drive than spend time selectively deleting software. That would take too long, and who'd pay for the technician's time? Certainly not Apple.

But make a backup before you send it in!
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 12:49 PM
 
Originally posted by Arch.:
The Computer Store here in portland took all of the "illegal" apps off this guys computer that I go to school with. They said that they removed the programs because he didnt have a legit serial #. Although i'd never go to these scum bags again I thought I should ask before I went to the apple store in washington Sq to see what the overall feeling was. I hope that I get it back soon so that I can reload my stuff.....
This seems so unlikely I have a hard time believing it. First of all, as somebody already pointed out, what on earth would give them the impression that it was their responsibility to do this. Secondly, they would have to spend hours checking each application for valid serial numbers or hacks. Who would do this? Wouldn't they be busy with work that they were actually getting paid for? Maybe it was a slow day at the Computer Store.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 12:54 PM
 
Maybe this is someone's way of telling you to stop stealing.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 01:34 PM
 
As long as you don't have kiddy porn on there, I think you're safe...
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 02:16 PM
 
i worked as an assistant tech on pc computers for awhile last year, it was not uncommon to boot up a machine that was in for a cleanup or upgrade and see porn links and ads popping up. im sure full time techs no matter pc or mac see stuff like this come in every day
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 05:41 PM
 
If you're using OS X, why not just put all those apps in a folder in your home directory? Then create a dummy user called "Apple" or something with no admin status and set the machine to automatically log in as Apple on a reboot.

Then nobody can see what you don't want them to.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 07:14 PM
 
Originally posted by bamchum:
If you're using OS X, why not just put all those apps in a folder in your home directory? Then create a dummy user called "Apple" or something with no admin status and set the machine to automatically log in as Apple on a reboot.

Then nobody can see what you don't want them to.
Yeah because the Techs wouldn't know how to access your drive without your password.

All they'd have to do is reset the password, which if you have physical access to the computer is not hard to do.

When my logic board was replaced, the computer store here in Eugene asked me 3 or 4 times if I had a backup of my drive before they would take it. YMMV.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 07:18 PM
 
Originally posted by fizzlemynizzle:
Maybe this is someone's way of telling you to stop stealing.
Pointless at best. Someday when I make the money off of what I do to buy the software for it i will. It's not like I use the stuff to make money..being a student and all. I think that I am helping them out by learning their stuff so that future employers will have to buy terminal suites full of their crap.
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 08:08 PM
 
I'm sending my PB in soon...and I'm leaving everything on there. I'm not worried...even my Adult stuff...I don't care. What are they gonna do?
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 09:34 PM
 
I talked to the guy and he said that he couldnt reproduce the problem with the kernel panic. When I move or touch the case it kernel panics...I wonder if they are going to do anything when he sends it in. I reproduced the problem 5 times infront of him while I was there. Does a shifty intermittent lemon problem like this warant replacement or do I have to go throught the proper paces first?
     
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Feb 9, 2004, 09:47 PM
 
no.
for sure not.
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Feb 9, 2004, 09:50 PM
 
Originally posted by Arch.:
I talked to the guy and he said that he couldnt reproduce the problem with the kernel panic. When I move or touch the case it kernel panics...I wonder if they are going to do anything when he sends it in. I reproduced the problem 5 times infront of him while I was there. Does a shifty intermittent lemon problem like this warant replacement or do I have to go throught the proper paces first?
Are you sure you're not wearing some kind of fancy digital watch that emits a massive magnetic field?
     
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Feb 10, 2004, 12:01 AM
 
Originally posted by Arch.:
Pointless at best. Someday when I make the money off of what I do to buy the software for it i will. It's not like I use the stuff to make money..being a student and all. I think that I am helping them out by learning their stuff so that future employers will have to buy terminal suites full of their crap.
This is exactly how I feel. And that's the same reason why many companies make educational versions available for free or at a discount big enough that students can afford. For those that don't they just haven't learned this yet. I will buy legit licenses of lots of software I use once I get out of college and actually make decent money. If I had never used them before, I obviously wouldn't. So the companies are actually going to make money from me trying out there stuff first.
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Feb 10, 2004, 03:44 AM
 
Originally posted by galaga:
Are you sure you're not wearing some kind of fancy digital watch that emits a massive magnetic field?
First, I doubt there is any watch around that can produce more than a millitesla of b-field which is actually nothing.

Secondly, I doubt even if the field were a full tesla that you could see such behavior because the Mac is shielded (yeah the airport antennas obviously aren't but they will damp down such a DC or low-freq b-field inherently anyhow so forget it).

And third, how the hell do you guess that a digital watch should output large b-fields in the firts place???
     
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Originally posted by Simon:
First, I doubt there is any watch around that can produce more than a millitesla of b-field which is actually nothing.

Secondly, I doubt even if the field were a full tesla that you could see such behavior because the Mac is shielded (yeah the airport antennas obviously aren't but they will damp down such a DC or low-freq b-field inherently anyhow so forget it).

And third, how the hell do you guess that a digital watch should output large b-fields in the firts place???
I was joking.
     
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Originally posted by galaga:
I was joking.
Great

It would be so much easier to laugh if this stupid f***ing board would start showing the smilies instead of just question marks. Does macnn know what the word tech support means?
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Feb 10, 2004, 08:56 AM
 
Originally posted by Arch.:
I guess that my logic board is fried...I have to take my comp to the apple store so they can send it off. Should I remove this stuff? Will they make a stink about it?
Hi Arch,

does your computer still work or is it completely dead?

In case it still boots my first concern would be the security of my data. So I would make at least a backup.

My second concern would be that its not the best idea to let any carrier throw around my hd. The hd is most delicate part of a powerbook when I think about shocks. So I would remove it from the powerbook before sending it in. Just for shock protection and lifetime enhancement.

The rest has to be judged according to the privacy laws of your contry. In germany it would be a privacy violation to spy the contents of your hd. So no-one who does this can use the results of his spy work against you because he broke the law while he was spying your data.

If hd removal is too complicated (it is!), move your program folder to your private directory and use file vault to encrypt the whole thing. Thats easy. Simply move the folder back when the powerbook is returned to you.
Update Panther before you do so because I read somewhere that file vault was buggy in the original release.

Does that help?

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Feb 10, 2004, 04:55 PM
 
You guys can laugh all you want - I once got arrested for having stolen software. It was a nightmare. I won't tell you what to do, but I'll never risk something like that again.
     
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Feb 10, 2004, 11:00 PM
 
Originally posted by danbrew:
You guys can laugh all you want - I once got arrested for having stolen software. It was a nightmare. I won't tell you what to do, but I'll never risk something like that again.
ooo. I've always wondered how that happens. Care to share? Unless it brings up bad memories, in which case- never mind.
     
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Feb 11, 2004, 05:58 AM
 
Originally posted by buddhabelly:
Yeah because the Techs wouldn't know how to access your drive without your password.

All they'd have to do is reset the password, which if you have physical access to the computer is not hard to do.
1) If you've got file vault turned on, they are not going to be able to look in your home folder.

2) Even if you don't and they can get into your drive, why on earth would they want to? They have a job to do. It's one thing for buddhabelly's stash of kiddie porn to be hidden away in someplace very hard to access, quite another if it's right out there in its usual place on the desktop when they boot the machine.
     
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Feb 11, 2004, 04:12 PM
 
here's a question.

what do you think apple would do if they booted up your machine and you had 10.3.3 on there?

no, i am not running 10.3.3 i have 10.3.2 on. i was just wondering this recently, since i am sending my powerbook in tomorrow or friday, due to the screen dimming.
     
   
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