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Peter · Apr 3, 2007, 06:54 AM

We're looking at upgrading our ~5 designers to CS3 (so we can buy them MacBook Pros really) how long do you think it'll be until all the bugs are fixed from the first release?
it'd really suck if it was a few months before some 'mission critical' bug was fixed!

Aron Peterson · Apr 3, 2007, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Peter

We're looking at upgrading our ~5 designers to CS3 (so we can buy them MacBook Pros really) how long do you think it'll be until all the bugs are fixed from the first release?
it'd really suck if it was a few months before some 'mission critical' bug was fixed!

I've read just about every review of the CS3 suite online and there are no complaints about upgrading workflows. The last Photoshop CS3 beta was completely stable and bug free.

Catfish_Man · Apr 3, 2007, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson

The last Photoshop CS3 beta was completely stable and bug free.

No it wasn't (no software is).

Chuckit · Apr 3, 2007, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Catfish_Man

No it wasn't (no software is).

That's because they don't have Adobe's patented NoBugs 2000™ technology.

Visnaut · 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson

The last Photoshop CS3 beta was completely stable and bug free.

It crashed constantly while performing the most basic of tasks on my Windows machine at work.

I'm sure they've ironed out a lot of issues for release, but your statement isn't entirely true.

As for upgrading your designers to CS3 , I'd suggest waiting until Leopard is bundled with the MacBooks to save you the cost of upgrading to that eventually. It was also reported that the CS3 suite runs faster in Leopard but that's hardly been stated as fact at this juncture....

Aron Peterson · Apr 3, 2007, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Catfish_Man

No it wasn't (no software is).

It was solid as a rock and benchmarked higher than CS2 on my G4. Photoshop CS3 comes with Adobe Awesome CS4.

Aron Peterson · Apr 3, 2007, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Visnaut

It crashed constantly while performing the most basic of tasks on my Windows machine at work.

I'm sure they've ironed out a lot of issues for release, but your statement isn't entirely true.

This is a Mac forum. Go complain about your crashy Windows box on, er, there's too many Windows Crashy forums.

CatOne · Apr 3, 2007, 12:32 PM

Adobe's releases tend to be pretty solid. They don't do patches that are that frequent, and they've had a pretty long (like 5 months!) public beta period.

I'd say it's probably good to go the day it ships. May not have 0 bugs, but frankly I recall almost no "crashers" with Adobe software, ever. With stuff as large and complicated with as much crufty code as it has, that's no small task.

Plus the speed savings for running CS3 natively on Intel machines is WAY WAY worth it. Put in that order now ;-)

Mediaman_12 · Apr 3, 2007, 03:59 PM

One thing I will say, is that I have had a

peek at the rest of the CS3 suite, and it's all as rock solid as Photoshop. With the 'common' UI now running across all the apps (excluding Dreamwever, for some reason). This looks like one of the best Adobe upgrades for years, possibly ever.

It's like the Photoshop and Illustrator teams actually talked to each other.

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mediaman_12

One thing I will say, is that I have had a

peek

workerbee · Apr 7, 2007, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Mediaman_12

One thing I will say, is that I have had a

peek at the rest of the CS3 suite, and it's all as rock solid as Photoshop. With the 'common' UI now running across all the apps (excluding Dreamwever, for some reason). This looks like one of the best Adobe upgrades for years, possibly ever.

From what I heard, Fireworks also is still using the old MM interface.

I also have been having a peek at CS3 - my order is officially in (and what's more, at the ridiculously inflated prices Adobe charges here in Europe, where we have the priviledge of paying 70% more).

Flash's new ability to import native Illustrator documents while keeping the layers, masks and transparency settings will be worth more than the upgrade price alone, as I'm working on a project that requires exactly this. And Dreamweaver new ajaxy spry integration is nice, too.

CaptainHaddock · Apr 8, 2007, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by workerbee

I also have been having a peek at CS3 - my order is officially in (and what's more, at the ridiculously inflated prices Adobe charges here in Europe, where we have the priviledge of paying 70% more).

From what I hear, you can thank the EU's exorbitant taxes and tariffs for much of that. Yay socialist utopia!

TETENAL · Apr 8, 2007, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

From what I hear, you can thank the EU's exorbitant taxes and tariffs for much of that. Yay socialist utopia!

Bullshit.

Creative Suite 3 Design Standard:

US-price without taxes: US$ 1199
German-price without taxes: €1699 ≈ US$ 2259

In Germany Adobe-software is 88% more expensive without taxes! There is something exorbitant here, but it's not socialism.

In comparison this is the price-comparison for Apple Final Cut Studio 5.1, again without taxes:

Us-price: US$ 1299
German-price: €1091 ≈ US$ 1450

So this Apple-software is 12% more expensive in Germany. I'm not sure how one would "justify" this surcharge, but at least it's way more reasonable than what Adobe does.

mduell · Apr 8, 2007, 11:07 AM

TETENAL: Price is all about cost and demand. If it costs more to translate CS3 into all the languages for Europe and the Europeans are willing to pay more for CS3 than Americans are, the price will be higher in Europe.

Eug · Apr 8, 2007, 11:46 AM

The Adobe CS3 beta does NOT work with some Epson scanner TWAIN drivers.

Both the latest universal and older PowerPC drivers work fine (under Rosetta for the latter with Intel Macs) with Adobe CS2 on Intel Macs with OS X 10.4.

See here:

Adobe Forums - Scanning in Photoshop CS3 on an Intel Mac
Adobe Forums - Photoshop CS3 Beta

Apparently, this may be an issue specifically with Intel Macs.

TETENAL · Apr 8, 2007, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

Price is all about cost and demand.

If price is all about cost and demand, then why use our social system as an excuse for the high price point? "Cost and demand" are capitalistic terms.

OreoCookie · Apr 8, 2007, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

TETENAL: Price is all about cost and demand. If it costs more to translate CS3 into all the languages for Europe and the Europeans are willing to pay more for CS3 than Americans are, the price will be higher in Europe.

It's not that difficult to localize software that has had such a long history. A surcharge 88 % certainly cannot be justified by saying it has to be translated to other languages.

Don Pickett · Apr 8, 2007, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by CatOne

Adobe's releases tend to be pretty solid.

Adobe's releases do not tend to be solid: they are often bug-filled, and sometimes the bugs are catastrophic. There's a reason no one rushes to integrate the newest version of Illustrator into their work flow the minute it appears.

Photoshop's the easiest, as it has one overriding concern: color. So long as the color engine is substantially unchanged--color profiles map the same in CS2 and Cs3--the biggest worry should be gone. Stability is another issue: I have only found two programs which could freeze OS X up so hard it needed a hard reboot, and one of those is Illustrator.

I'd say it's probably good to go the day it ships.

I'd say it's good after about six months of being carefully watched. Maybe put it one on machine and see what pops up. If CS3 continues the trend from CS2, I would imagine it will take about 1.5 gigs of RAM just for the CS3 suite.

workerbee · Apr 8, 2007, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

From what I hear, you can thank the EU's exorbitant taxes and tariffs for much of that. Yay socialist utopia!

I happen to be living in Switzerland, which is not in the EU, and has a 7.6% sales tax.

I also happen to be using all my software in English, so translating costs are somewhere between very small and non-existant. Plus, the CS3 suite I'm currenty peeking into is almost certainly US-english, and still seems to have all sorts of language dictionaries.

There is only one explanation IMHO: Adobe is ripping non-US customers off.

mduell · Apr 8, 2007, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

If price is all about cost and demand, then why use our social system as an excuse for the high price point? "Cost and demand" are capitalistic terms.

What does the price of software have to do with your social system?
The software market (and many others) are still largely capitalistic and have nothing to do with government welfare programs.
Customers in EMEA are willing to pay more than customers in the US, so the prices are set higher. If you're not willing to pay the EMEA price, don't buy it and use an alternative.

glypht · 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by mduell

The software market (and many others) are still largely capitalistic and have nothing to do with government welfare programs.

As is the pharma market.

Enjoy your overpriced medication, capitalist scum!

[/joke]

OreoCookie · Apr 8, 2007, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

What does the price of software have to do with your social system?
The software market (and many others) are still largely capitalistic and have nothing to do with government welfare programs.
Customers in EMEA are willing to pay more than customers in the US, so the prices are set higher. If you're not willing to pay the EMEA price, don't buy it and use an alternative.

No, they aren't willing to pay more, they are forced to pay more. It's not like you have a choice when there is a quasi-monopoly on professional graphics software.
(BTW, the Aperture costs $150 in the US edu store, it's €200 in the German edu store. The US version also includes all localizations …)

workerbee · 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

If you're not willing to pay the EMEA price, don't buy it and use an alternative.

Or pirate it.
And then listen to US software makers wailing about untold billions lost...