[besson3c]

Originally Posted by The Final Shortcut 

I enjoy debate. I've directly addresed the points he has made. He isn't debating; I don't believe he's answered or acknowledged a single one of my points thus far. That's called trolling, plain and simple.

I would say that is evasion, or avoiding facing up to the idea that he might be wrong about something. I don't see any evidence that he is setting out here to provoke you here. If this is your idea of trolling, I'd say that 90% of the PWL consists of trolling.

Again, I'm just questioning your choice of words, that's all.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Athens 

"kthnxbye" lol what are you 16 LOL

Heheh... no question mark and two LOLs, and you're calling him 16?

[Athens]

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Not sure you are in a position to comment

[besson3c]

Why are you pointing at Bedtime Bear's ass? Are you into sex with Care Bears or something, or sex with non-militant bears in general?

[Athens]

Non militant of course...

[besson3c]

Who is your favourite Care Bear then, sexually speaking?

[Athens]

Love-A-Lot Bear



BTW Besson you are odd....

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Athens 

BTW Besson you are odd....

You're realizing this just now?

[Athens]

I had some ideas but not to this extent lol

[aristotles]

Where exactly is this thread heading exactly?

Have you all realized that Canadian healthcare is comprised of "private" medical practices with government single payer insurance? It actually "saves" money for us by doing it that way. We do also have private insurance but the basic stuff like hospital stays are covered by the government insurance.

I find the idea that some americans consider Canada to be more "socialist" to be laughable when we spend a lot less per capita on "entitlements" even if we exclude the high cost of medical care in the US from the equation. Americans can be on unemployment for a lot longer before being cut off than in Canada and we call ours "employment insurance" now which fits because it does not last as long and is harder to qualify for so you are incentivized to stay "employed".

From my perspective, the US is far more socialist than Canada but you just happen to have more corruption and inefficiency so less of that social money actually reaches the average citizen.

I have to take exception with attempts to paint all Canadians or even British Columbians with the same brush. I have always voted Conservative/Reform federally and for the Liberals (small c conservatives) provincially and my family supported the Social Credit (small c conservative free enterprise party) when they were around. The Social Credit party instituted things like BC Ferries as a crown corporation so they were a bit more centrist than the provincial liberals have been. Unfortunately, I think privatization of BC ferries was a mistake.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by The Final Shortcut 

Nothing I've said was hypocritical in the slightest. The fact you continue to state this means you're a complete troll.


You're now repeating the exact same argument you did last time, troll. It's completely wrong. The Conservative leadership has been responsible for what you call a "bad thing" (namely, running a budget deficit, although that's not necessarily bad), but it has also been responsible for much of the same good [this, this and this] that was attributed to the Liberals. It's a simple logic statement, and one that you apparently cannot understand, sadly enough.

You've also - again - conveniently ignored the fact that I was correcting Big Mac's blatantly false statements.

Again, utterly and completely wrong, troll. I told Athens that attributing the previous Liberal regime for all successes of the Conservative government is a "tired line of reasoning." You repeatedly and continue to ignore this point.

Do you ever get tired of lying, troll? Do you ever get tired of mis-stating, mis-attributing, or otherwise mis-quoting out of context what I actually said? It's clear that you don't - just as it's clear that contrary to your statements, you don't know much about Canadian politics at all.

Yes...only if my two statements are taken completely out of context and then mis-quoted.


Absolutely and 100% incorrect.

Look, I'm just going to put this out here: half the time on this board, you're nothing but a gussed-up troll.

You're a troll because you simply refuse to respond to every. single. point. I've. made.

You're a troll because you simply continue to ignore every. single. rebuttal. I've. made.

You're a troll because you simply continue to repeat your same points over and over again despite. my. clear. refutation. of. your. argument.

You're a troll because you continue to mis-quote or otherwise take my words out of their clear. context.

You're a troll because you sprinkle your absolutely false points with dumb comments insinuating I've "walked back" despite the fact I've never changed. my. original. position. in. the. slightest.

It's the same old thing with you, ebuddy: you "quote" someone's points, and then you don't actually address what the quote actually says. You've continued to ignore everything I say, and continue to repeat your own original statement in different words. In my line of work, I meet people like you all the time: continually evasive, seizing on selective mis-quotes, ignoring rebuttals in favour of re-stating the same points over and over; it is, literally, like beating one's head against a wall trying to hold a semi-coherent conversation with you.

Another, very long post to address the troll. Either you're a moron or I'm not a troll. Pick one.

It never fails when someone gets called out on their bs, they want to try to attack the other person's entire posting history. The other one I love is the "I used to appreciate you ebuddy, but now..." only to repeat the same nonsense a month later. I maintain you were simply being hypocritical to Athens and you disagree.

Anything else? I mean... other than your next post engaging the troll.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by The Final Shortcut 

I don't think you could say the Canadian banking system is about "reducing government interference." Our regulations are geared more towards making sure the lenders are sound, rather than encouraging the borrowers. Sure, our regulations are not quite as intrusive as those in the US, but I understand that our regulators are also more assertive when overseeing the actions of our large financial institutions. That's the fundamental difference of the regulatory regime in my view - and I think a more important one than simply using the "amount of regulation" as a metric for success or failure.

I meant simply that your banks aren't held accountable for what would be deemed "unfair" lending practices in the US. Unfair meaning: not lending to those with a demonstrable inability to repay the debt. Banks don't exist for a politician's ideal of social justice, but too often that is what is expected of them in the US.

In general? Do you believe that all adverse market conditions are the result of government interference? Would you also make the argument that there would be no adverse market conditions without government interference? I find it difficult to imagine a free market without correction.

Adverse market conditions caused by the market are correctable; ACME charges too much for a shoddy product, a competitor points out the shoddy craftsmanship of ACME and begins to take customers away. A company that did a shoddy job of running their books gets bailed out by the govt, then operates several more years before facing bankruptcy again, rinse and repeat. Chrysler is such an example. Adverse market conditions caused by government interference are exacerbated by more government interference and the market can do little to address it. Their attempts to work around govt interference ends up distorting the entire marketplace. There should be no such thing as "too large to fail". Everyone has the potential for failure and it is impossible for the govt to adjudicate who is worthy of bailout and who isn't without disenfranchising another large sector of that market. This distorts the market and creates the moral hazard of dependency on the centralized authority for existence. Too often govt interference is an overreaction to an adverse market condition and while it seeks to mitigate symptoms of correction, only exacerbates the problem necessitating the correction which is one reason why our housing market for example, has yet to bottom-out and actually... correct.

[ebuddy]

Athens, The Final Shortcut is not a noob. He's been here for quite some time. I believe his name is Greg, who used to go by the alias Shortcut to Moncton.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Athens 

BTW Besson you are odd....

Yes I am, but you're the one who pointed at Bedtime Bear's ass, just for the record.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Athens, The Final Shortcut is not a noob. He's been here for quite some time. I believe his name is Greg, who used to go by the alias Shortcut to Moncton.

You guys need to kiss and makeup, neither of you are trolls, there was just a disconnect in your conversation.

Pucker up.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Athens, The Final Shortcut is not a noob. He's been here for quite some time. I believe his name is Greg, who used to go by the alias Shortcut to Moncton.

OMG! I was trying to peg who it was he reminded me of. I knew it was some one I've crossed with before. I think you are right the posting style and arrogance fits perfectly.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by aristotles 

Where exactly is this thread heading exactly?

Have you all realized that Canadian healthcare is comprised of "private" medical practices with government single payer insurance? It actually "saves" money for us by doing it that way. We do also have private insurance but the basic stuff like hospital stays are covered by the government insurance.

I find the idea that some americans consider Canada to be more "socialist" to be laughable when we spend a lot less per capita on "entitlements" even if we exclude the high cost of medical care in the US from the equation. Americans can be on unemployment for a lot longer before being cut off than in Canada and we call ours "employment insurance" now which fits because it does not last as long and is harder to qualify for so you are incentivized to stay "employed".

From my perspective, the US is far more socialist than Canada but you just happen to have more corruption and inefficiency so less of that social money actually reaches the average citizen.

I have to take exception with attempts to paint all Canadians or even British Columbians with the same brush. I have always voted Conservative/Reform federally and for the Liberals (small c conservatives) provincially and my family supported the Social Credit (small c conservative free enterprise party) when they were around. The Social Credit party instituted things like BC Ferries as a crown corporation so they were a bit more centrist than the provincial liberals have been. Unfortunately, I think privatization of BC ferries was a mistake.

BC Rail - Impact to be seen
BC Transit Vancouver Region to Translink as a massive mistake though this one was NDP
BC Gas
I am not 100% sure on the P3 projects yet for a opinion of good or bad. But im leaning towards bad because of the Golden Ears Bridge.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Athens 

I think you are right the posting style and arrogance fits perfectly.

Another thing he has in common with you, besides being Canuckistani

-t

[aristotles]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Another thing he has in common with you, besides being Canuckistani

-t

So the US is Amerikastan?
US Budget breakdown:
United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[turtle777]

It's called USSA.

-t

[The Godfather]

Let the rich be.
Let their babies be wealthy, but work their baby behinds to become rich.

Inheritance taxes are a fair government income, because no one of the survivors worked for it. And you can still argue that someone else worked to amass that wealth, or that the market is more responsible of that richness, and would give it a better use, like buying more doodads made at the patriarch's factory.